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How Much Land Does the Federal Government Own?
All Voices ^ | July 18, 2008

Posted on 07/27/2011 4:38:42 AM PDT by don-o

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To: triumphant values
Back before your time little one, the American sports association made an agreement with the government, hunters would pay tax on ammunition and buy licenses and etc, for hunting privileges, it is the damn , hikers, bikers and horse trail people that are the free loader here. Maybe you should learn something about the subject. The multi-billion dollar hunting industries and all the taxes they pay means nothing to you.
51 posted on 07/27/2011 7:34:47 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
Back before your time little one, the American sports association made an agreement with the government, hunters would pay tax on ammunition and buy licenses and etc, for hunting privileges...

Repeal the tax and sell the land. Texas and Maine have fine hunting opportunities without barely any federal land ownership.

You're for less taxes and smaller government, right? That's why you post on FR, right?

52 posted on 07/27/2011 7:39:04 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Excessive my ass, close down all the jobs people have related to the sports and tourist business these land provide. Along with the taxes paid and you make up the difference. And anwr has nothing to do with the topic it has already pass into protected status, get a two thirds vote to reverse that. Never going to happen.
53 posted on 07/27/2011 7:40:27 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: listenhillary

Where do you get the word free from, your sit down area.


54 posted on 07/27/2011 7:42:49 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: sayuncledave

Sell? How about return it to the State from which it was, most likely, STOLEN. Then let the States figure what to do with it. The IFG (Imperial Federal Govt.) does not need any more $$, they need to stop spending, get out of our pockets and shrink down to its rightful size.


55 posted on 07/27/2011 7:45:57 AM PDT by i_robot73
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To: triumphant values
No i’m fine with the tax on ammunition and fire arms, and proud that I help provide those gun smiths with jobs, that is the American way, a free industry. We both are winners. But you not so much.
56 posted on 07/27/2011 7:47:07 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
No i’m fine with the tax on ammunition and fire arms, and proud that I help provide those gun smiths with jobs...

Oh, so you're fine with federal government taxing the exercising of Second Amendment rights. Good to know and predictable since it's right in line with your philosophy on locking up resources with unconstitutional federal ownership of land.

57 posted on 07/27/2011 7:51:59 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: i_robot73

Flunked history. Didn’t you???


58 posted on 07/27/2011 7:52:11 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: triumphant values
Real slow aren't you, are do you have a problem with the word agreement. And there is no such thing as unconstitutional Federal ownership of lands, trying reading about all the bogus law suits and the millions Utah pissed away trying to prove that point.
59 posted on 07/27/2011 7:57:15 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
Real slow aren't you, are do you have a problem with the word agreement.

Which clause is it again that authorizes the Fed Gov to enter into a taxing agreement with an organization to provide hunting land? Surely, someone as quick as yourself should be able to find it fast.

And there is no such thing as unconstitutional Federal ownership of lands...

If you're of the persuasion that argues that something the Fed Gov is doing is constitutional because the Fed Gov courts said so, then you are on the way, way wrong website for your philosophy.

60 posted on 07/27/2011 8:03:56 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: listenhillary; org.whodat
Armed socialists pledge to protect “free” hunting land. How could they think of taking away our entitlement? We’ve hunted here for years.

He's cut from the same cloth as the "get the government out of my life, but make sure the SS check is in the mail" posters who we have in abundance here.

It shows what a desperate situation we have in this country and what an uphill slog we face.

61 posted on 07/27/2011 8:10:06 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: org.whodat
Common misconception. All lands in Federal control and their mineral wealth were pledged. In 32 States you do not own your private property it is all pledged. If you look closely at your vehicle registration papers in those states it says something to the effect “for official use only”.

I have searched for 20 years for the actual original papers where this was all done. I have found bits and pieces of it but I am now convinced that originals are in Paris the country that the united States of America was registered as a corporation.

Unfortunaly I will not go to Europe I will have to hire a lawyer to find them.

62 posted on 07/27/2011 8:11:20 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: triumphant values

You are a nut, was the Alaskan purchase illegal, was the louisana purchase illegal, if they were, you need to explain to the world how a government is not really an agreed on corporation of man and subject to the same laws.


63 posted on 07/27/2011 8:12:54 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

ROFLOL, the term official use only applies to the piece of paper only.


64 posted on 07/27/2011 8:14:51 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: triumphant values

No it shows you are one of those conspiracy nuts and really have no idea why we have a government at all.


65 posted on 07/27/2011 8:16:32 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
I think it was entirely legal for the US government to purchase Alaska.

And I think what the government did after that was to sell some of the land to US citizens. That was also legal and reasonable. I'd just like to see some more of that part taking place, that's all.

66 posted on 07/27/2011 8:16:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They gave away land for years in Alaska, I believe the program is still in place, you need to go there and try it. Just meet the year to year requirements and enjoy. Just remember there are no roads and you need to make the cabin real small and the same for the doors to keep the bears out and the heat in and that out door johnny at -40 degrees will really stimulate you. But no one will sell you a choice hundred acres in the Cherokee national forests for 50 dollars an acre.


67 posted on 07/27/2011 8:33:46 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
Yea don't believe it if you want. Go look at the little sticker and tell me what it says in watermark. It is the only explanation for several actions by the Government is the last 70 years.
68 posted on 07/27/2011 8:40:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: org.whodat
But no one will sell you a choice hundred acres in the Cherokee national forests for 50 dollars an acre.

Nice straw man. No one has made such a claim.

The point is that in many states, there is a great deal of land owned by the federal government (and state governments) and that it may be reasonable for some of that land to be put on the market to sell at market value.

The government gets immediate revenue.
The government is off the hook for maintenance costs.
The land might well be used for profitable business, thereby generating actual tax revenue.

Most folks arent' saying that we need to "sell Yosemite" or "sell Mr. Rushmore". But there are lands that could be put to good use and the government withholds them from the market.

People who think the government should be smaller may also think that the government should own less land.

69 posted on 07/27/2011 8:40:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

During the Carter Administration, over 56 million acres of oil-rich Alaskan wilderness was appropriated by the executive branch and slapped with the “monument” label.


70 posted on 07/27/2011 8:48:38 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: ClearCase_guy

ROFLOL, no there is not, there is only someone wanting a slice of cronyism, there is no shortage of lands for your to buy, go find some. As a matter of fact I would bet there are hundreds of acres within fifty miles of where you live, when there is a shortage of land let me know. I have already pointed out there are thousands of acres available in the rust belt. Go buy some and start that business.


71 posted on 07/27/2011 8:52:13 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
Are you attempting to inform me that there are private landowners who live near me who would be willing to sell me their land?

Thanks.

But I think this thread is about the government and how it takes useful land out of circulation, thereby harming the national economy.

72 posted on 07/27/2011 8:57:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The government does not take useful land out of usage and the government sells land all the time, many former military bases are industrial parks. What this is about is nuts wanting to steal land off of the tax payers. And they are never will to say what and or where is the land they want, because it shows them for what they are.


73 posted on 07/27/2011 9:08:24 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: sayuncledave
I find no good reason for the government to justify owning so much land.

Collateral for all the gubmint borrowing. It is becoming clear that that is why we are being shut out of "federal" actually "public," lands. Land with timber on it or mineral under it is far more valuable than bare, mined out land.

74 posted on 07/27/2011 9:09:18 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: org.whodat
You are a nut, was the Alaskan purchase illegal, was the louisana purchase illegal, if they were, you need to explain to the world how a government is not really an agreed on corporation of man and subject to the same laws.

I'm a nut? This sentence, like a few others of yours on this thread isn't even coherent.

75 posted on 07/27/2011 9:19:02 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: org.whodat
No it shows you are one of those conspiracy nuts and really have no idea why we have a government at all.

Yeah, I'm a conspiracy nut engaged in a conspiracy to take away your hunting land. Booga, booga.

The cheese has slid right off your cracker on this thread.

76 posted on 07/27/2011 9:21:32 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: don-o

Having lived in Oregon and Idaho, I have discussed this very issue for the last 30 years. With a population of 330 million today, the federal government has no right to own and control all this land. In states where the feds own more than 2% of the land, I suggest they sell 2%/year until they reach the 2% of total level. We don’t have just 10 million people in the country wanting to own land anymore. Time for real change and less gov’t intrusion.


77 posted on 07/27/2011 9:22:54 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: triumphant values
If you're of the persuasion that argues that something the Fed Gov is doing is constitutional because the Fed Gov courts said so, then you are on the way, way wrong website for your philosophy.

Game

Set

Match

That OUGHTA leave a mark..

78 posted on 07/27/2011 9:42:41 AM PDT by don-o (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: opentalk

Not to mention areas of shale, timber, coal, minerals, and offshore natural resources we should be going after. All shut down by the federal government.


79 posted on 07/27/2011 9:56:30 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: jimnm

Most of “that land” has usage control treaties that were signed with the United Nations. Too late to get it back now.


80 posted on 07/27/2011 9:57:35 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: don-o

Way way! Too much! Particularly in the western States. The land needs to be sold off, or transferred to the State with jurisdiction(so that it can be sold off by them).


81 posted on 07/27/2011 11:04:42 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: triumphant values

I do believe you complete like of knowledge about the topic more than speaks for you. Now go ram your head into the wall a few more times, while you hope for a different out come.


82 posted on 07/27/2011 11:41:06 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
Bull crap, selling land to corporations turns into nothing more than crony capitalism, how in the hell do you think Harry Reid got rich in Nevada, crony deals on government land. And ANWR has nothing to do with the topic, if you want to drill for oil there get the senate to approve it. And much of that western property has no water, and there is no more water available.

Keep your head in the sand and believing your own bs...the facts are vastly different.
83 posted on 07/27/2011 12:28:14 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: don-o

I think all the property the gov’t owns is also taken off the tax rolls. Lots of money can be raised by selling the land and putting it back on the tax rolls...


84 posted on 07/27/2011 3:32:26 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: teeman8r

let’s not forget all the mortgages owned (nationalized) by Fannie Mae & FreddieMac.


85 posted on 07/27/2011 5:22:53 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: goat granny

Bull again, Alaska would have no income if it were not for the in lieu of taxes made by uncle sugar, and they do that in all states . Damn do you people not know anything about the country you live in.


86 posted on 07/27/2011 8:37:23 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: 4Liberty

Fanny and Freddie, do not own properties, except for their office space and some of that is rented. They are secondary mortgage market, they do not take title.


87 posted on 07/27/2011 8:40:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Issaquahking

LOL, go shake your tin cup somewhere else.


88 posted on 07/27/2011 8:41:59 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat

And they are never will to say what and or where is the land they want, because it shows them for what they are.

Dude, take your meds or maybe quit taking your meds.


89 posted on 07/27/2011 8:45:07 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: don-o
Google feds selling lighthouses
90 posted on 07/27/2011 8:51:50 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: org.whodat
I went back over some of your posts on this article and have come to the conclusion, your a know-it-all and everyone else don't know what they are talking about...Some of your posts don't make any sense except to call others dumb and you have contempt for those that disagree with your "on high" edicts on the subject...

To quote you"damn do you know anything about the country you live in".

You have added not one lucid comment to the conversation. It must be past your bedtime and your getting cranky..

Since you have all the answers and ask people if they know what country they livein, tell us about it, not just give a stupid remark....Educate us oh smart one....

91 posted on 07/28/2011 12:48:39 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: org.whodat
Not everyone wants to live in an overpriced crackerbox within spitting distance of the neighbors. I'd just as soon live in the middle of a couple of square miles of scrubland where I can plink from the porch at the occasional passing jackrabbit and steal his canteen and lunchbox.

Now, if you're from a rural area, especially out west, you'll get the joke in that. Otherwise, there just isn't much point in explaining.

92 posted on 07/28/2011 2:21:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: RockinRight
although the land isn’t worth that much, I can’t see any reason for the government to own it.

But it isn't just a question of the land the Government owns. If it has some 'special' designation, the buffer zones control what the adjacent landowner can and cannot do on their land.

The New World Gold Mine was shut down because it was only three ridges away from Yellowstone Park.

So it isn't just what you can or cannot do on Federal Land, it is the restrictions on those who own the land next to it, just because of the owner on the other side of the line.

93 posted on 07/28/2011 2:29:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

That is for sale in lots of places. Go buy it.


94 posted on 07/28/2011 3:45:26 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: goat granny
You are the one that did not know that the government makes in lieu of payments. HA, HA, Nice. Right up there with someone saying it is unconstitutional for a government to own property. Person has no concept of the term entity and governments have always owned property.
95 posted on 07/28/2011 3:55:31 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
I'm not asking the government to give it to me. That isn't the problem here. I'm not looking for a handout. But I am looking at places where being within a few miles of Federal Land severely impacts what you can do on your own land. They call that a "Buffer zone".

Now, explain to me again what the Federal Government needs half of the land west of the Mississippi for, and why we are all paying to have them 'administer' it, instead of them selling some of that land off in small parcels to private citizens and retiring some of our debt.

That's a two-fer, removing an ongoing fiscal liability and converting it to cash to pay down the debt.

96 posted on 07/28/2011 7:36:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
The property was available for a hundred years, anyone that wanted to could homestead it. Dig up grand paw and bitch at him. This country by its elected representatives decide to stop that and keep the balance. And I agree with that decision. There are millions of acres of western private lands available for sell, try a google search. You people act as if you cannot find high desert for sell.
97 posted on 07/28/2011 8:09:41 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat
You are so sweet. Put words in my mouth I didn't say, ie:

***You are the one that did not know that the government makes in lieu of payments****

A meaningless garble of words without meaning...HaHa, the jokes on you...along with you saying some garbage about the constitution that I never said. Again you being the only one that you think is knowledgeable and intelligent...You and your remarks are getting funny...hahaha, in not a good way...get back on your med's before you hurt yourself or someone else....poor baby.

98 posted on 07/28/2011 11:07:30 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: org.whodat
Not much high desert at this latitude.

Grandpa was farming on land far away that has been in the family almost 400 years, and I moved west because all the expanding federal designations in the area make it impossible to legally cut down a tree planted by his grandmother on land the family has owned since well before there was a United States or a Federal Government.

So much for careful stewardship--it only makes the land more desireable for the government to steal.

Maybe you don't understand the nature of the problem.

Maybe you are part of it.

It is not just limited to what the Federal Government owns today, but what it encroaches on and is acquiring daily--not just by title but by designation and control.

I guess 246,000,000 acres of land the government owns outright just isn't enough for our government to take out of commission.

Read this and get a clue as to the continuing nature of the problem.

If your property is bordered by sidewalks, this might not affect you much, but for the rest of us, in times when the country is deeply in debt, I have to ask why is our government not doing what ordinary people do?

Selling some assets and covering its debts, instead of taking on more and cutting its revenues.

99 posted on 07/28/2011 5:29:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I see no problem, and I have seen much of the land you are speaking of. And my back yard has about 105 acres in it, and I bust my ass every day to have it. There are millions of acres for sale, by individuals, find something you like and buy it. Simple, works for most people.


100 posted on 07/28/2011 7:40:47 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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