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BREAKING NEWS: ATF attaché calls Gunwalker 'perfect storm of idiocy'
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | July 26, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on 07/27/2011 6:26:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

A Joint Staff Report prepared for Rep. Darrell Issa of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Sen. Chuck Grassley of the Senate Judiciary Committee has just been released today.

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Of significance, former ATF attaché to Mexico, Darren Gil and his deputy, Carlos Canino confirm reports made early on by Gun Rights Examiner and Sipsey Street Irregulars that not only was this information withheld from them, but also from the Mexican government—despite repeated questioning and objections leading to “screaming matches” registered with management.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; castaway; dea; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; issa; mexico; obama
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David Codrea has been doing an excellent job of reporting on this issue.

The hearings that Issa conducted yesterday must have really opened a can of worms. It was reported that 2 of 6 witnesses received letters from the ATF asking them to limit testimony. hmmmm Wonder where that came from?

1 posted on 07/27/2011 6:26:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Describes democrats, frankly.


2 posted on 07/27/2011 6:28:04 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Describes democrats, frankly.

Liberal democrats and guns a really scary combination.

3 posted on 07/27/2011 6:32:37 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If Democrats were just Idiots, that would be OK, but they are now VILE and EVIL.


4 posted on 07/27/2011 6:33:30 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

This story is exploding.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 6:37:12 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Texas Fossil

That comes awfully close to witness tampering..................


6 posted on 07/27/2011 6:37:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Texas Fossil
"Idiocy" is letting them off the hook. That's a whole lot of deliberate, well-coordinated, premeditated idiocy by a whole lot of people.

Like when Sandy Berger got busted, and Bill Clinton said, "Awww, shucks, that's just Sandy being Sandy. He was disorganized and sloppy like that when he was head of National Security. Hawww, haww."

7 posted on 07/27/2011 6:38:45 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Ann Archy

Yep, trying to cook the case for banning the guns.


8 posted on 07/27/2011 6:39:07 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: GlockThe Vote
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9 posted on 07/27/2011 6:39:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Texas Fossil

I say that this entire mess is just SCREAMING for an INDEPENDENT COUNSEL and very possibly for hearings on IMPEACHMENT to begin.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 6:39:48 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Pefect storm of idiocy” mischaracterizes these activities - deliberately. They were conceived and carried out for the explicitly evil purpose of undermining the US Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment. As such, its originators and participants are traitors due the full Constitutional measure of punishment.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 6:39:49 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: Texas Fossil

‘perfect storm of idiocy’

Call it was it is. “perfect storm of corruption”.


12 posted on 07/27/2011 6:40:45 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: Texas Fossil
Without David and Mike, none of this would have been possible.

They both deserve medals. Preferably something with an annual stipend and priority parking for life. IMO, they've earned it.

13 posted on 07/27/2011 6:45:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Texas Fossil
It appears that idiocy and/or incompetence will be the spin for this scandal.

The Treasury and Justice depts will be portrayed as an inept and bungling bureaucracies, when, in reality, they are machiavellian, with malice and hostility to the 2nd Amendment.

14 posted on 07/27/2011 6:46:04 AM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Red Badger
-- That comes awfully close to witness tampering.... --

It sure screws up the "whole truth" part of the oath to give truthful testimony.

Congress has the power to defund and disband the ATF. Anything less than that has Congress complicit in keeping the federal boot on the neck of the people. Best I can tell, Congress likes having an ATF do the work of enforcing a number of unconstitutional federal laws that prohibit and regulate the private possession and transfer of small arms and ammunition.

Congress also has the power to repeal the federal laws that ATF enforces.

15 posted on 07/27/2011 6:46:25 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

SEEMS TO ME THEY DON’T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH ALCOHOL OR TOBACCO, JUST FIREARMS.........


16 posted on 07/27/2011 6:49:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Texas Fossil

From Dodd-Frank to F&F gunwalking. One thing is sure about Dummies. They never ever follow a plan to each logical conclusion. Therefore they never see the unintended consequences of their actions. Or maybe they do and don’t care as long as it gets a vote.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 6:49:38 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Red Badger

18 posted on 07/27/2011 6:52:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cboldt
USC Title 18 Section 922 should never have been on the books to begin with. Because of "Shall not be infringed", it is illegal on its face.

Further, the ATF was originally a TAXING agency. Once their duties were transferred over under the DoJ, they lost whatever legitimacy they may have once had when they were collecting and registering tax stamps.

Next to NASA and the EPA, they are the most corrupt and unConstitutional organ in the Federal system. Period.

19 posted on 07/27/2011 6:53:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Paine in the Neck
As such, its originators and participants are traitors due the full Constitutional measure of punishment.

Treason!

20 posted on 07/27/2011 6:57:22 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: abb

This might be worthy of your Dinosaur pinglist, at least related.

It is clear that this story would have gone nowhere relying on the MSM.

So our old “argument” takes another turn.

I have been concerned that the consolidation in the MSM is dangerous, as they will just provide a conduit for pre-packaged Reuters/AP propaganda.

At the same time I have also been concerned that consolidation means a reduction in beat reporters in the smaller papers, reducing the number of people paid to ferret this stuff out.

OTOH, here we have David Codrea on the potemkin ePaper “Examiner.com”, otherwise freelancer and/or of Guns Magazine.

This story/scandal would never have seen the light of day without him.

Citizen journalism success story? Or exception that proves the rule that the 4th estate has been broken by consolidation and think about all the other horrific things going on unreported because “citizen journalism” is only picking up a tiny fraction of the heavy lifting.

What do you think?


21 posted on 07/27/2011 6:58:13 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Red Badger

witness tampering.....

Yep, they know how exposed they are.


22 posted on 07/27/2011 6:58:30 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
GUNRUNILLEGAL
23 posted on 07/27/2011 6:59:19 AM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: Dead Corpse
-- USC Title 18 Section 922 should never have been on the books to begin with. --

The federal district court in the Miller case agrees with that conclusion. So did SCOTUS, in the 1939 Miller case, if the statute is applied to a firearm that "has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia ... [or] is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense."

Subsequent court readings and interpretations of the Miller case (and an earlier precedent, Presser) show a remarkable degree of calm and deliberate judicial corruption.

24 posted on 07/27/2011 6:59:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Texas Fossil

“Limit Testimony”?

What ever happened to:

“The Truth,
The Whole Truth,
And Nothing But The Truth”?


25 posted on 07/27/2011 7:01:47 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: GlockThe Vote

“This story is exploding.”

Unfortunately when a tree falls in the forest a sound is only heard if someone is there at the time it falls. The mainstream media is not going to cover this story under a Democrat administration. Were a Republican in office, this story would be front page everyday in the NYT and WP as well as the lead story on NBC, CBS, CNN, and ABC.

This story will not be covered in the mainstream media because it will undercut the credibility of Obama and the Democrat party among the liberal sheeple, some of whom might start to wake up and wonder if all is not well in Camelot. If the story stays on Fox and talk radio these sheeple can remain blissfully unaware.


26 posted on 07/27/2011 7:02:09 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: dfwgator

Well said!...............


27 posted on 07/27/2011 7:02:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Dead Corpse

Bump


28 posted on 07/27/2011 7:02:22 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
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29 posted on 07/27/2011 7:03:43 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Texas Fossil
How many 'Observers' does the Mexican government have sitting in on these hearings?

If none, then why isn't Mexico a interested party?

30 posted on 07/27/2011 7:04:13 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: FlyVet
a whole lot of deliberate, well-coordinated, premeditated idiocy

Yes, a planned "accident" (sarcasm).

31 posted on 07/27/2011 7:04:18 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Let us hope so...


32 posted on 07/27/2011 7:05:42 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: Red Badger

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are all about “revenue” (and Control).


33 posted on 07/27/2011 7:05:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
Thought of something last night.

How many guns were moved? We have noticed a few, but I suspect that the majority were not found.

Why is the state arming the criminals? Limiting the 2nd is part of the option, but I suspect there is more.

34 posted on 07/27/2011 7:06:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Damned ol’ revenooers.............


35 posted on 07/27/2011 7:07:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Texas Fossil

If even the ATF is saying a plan to restrict gun rights is a really stupid idea and people are going to be killed, it’s a really, really BAD idea and it should be shelved immediately.

ATF did say this. The Obama Administration didn’t listen.


36 posted on 07/27/2011 7:08:52 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Texas Fossil
'perfect storm of idiocy'

A metaphor for the entire Obama administration.

37 posted on 07/27/2011 7:13:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: Deaf Smith
How many 'Observers' does the Mexican government have sitting in on these hearings?

Don't know. But the question should possibly be: Is there a Mexican Government or do the cartels rule Mexico?

I know there has been some effort to clear out some of the cartel players, but too often "money" in Mexico is the law.

38 posted on 07/27/2011 7:14:35 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Deaf Smith

Because Mexico is part of the problem and was in on it.
Recall Calderon berating gun owners as the Dems applauded.


39 posted on 07/27/2011 7:17:06 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Wheres the FBI on the border?... FBI?, ATF? TSA? its all controlled by Barry Half-White.. Must be all the patriotic americans have been all been culled from those agency’s..

No leaks, No whistle-blowers, nobody going public.. for fear of losing their precious pensions.. and jobs.. Those agencys must look like the White-Hut.. No Serpicos, No Bourne Identity, wheres the GOOD GUYS!!!..

Must BE NONE... they have been replaced.. with democrats/rinos.. You know... progressives..


40 posted on 07/27/2011 7:18:48 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: redgolum

2000 plus weapons plus what was involved in Operation Castaway is the number that is kicked around.

“Why is the state arming the criminals”

Answer: to cook the numbers of weapons smuggled to Mexico so that Obozo and minions can justify restricting our ability to purchase weapons.....

No other conclusion is possible from the already exposed evidence.

AND in the case of Operation Castaway it might also mean “arming” Obozo’s favorite commie buddy “Mel Zelaya” in Honduras. That is a quieter front than this at this point in time.


41 posted on 07/27/2011 7:19:10 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Red Badger

Yep. Nothing new here.


42 posted on 07/27/2011 7:20:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Cboldt
...show a remarkable degree of calm and deliberate judicial corruption.

Agreed. Hang 'em all.

43 posted on 07/27/2011 7:21:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: hosepipe

Most of Hoover’s FBI are dead.

The world has changed since his days. But the battles have not.


44 posted on 07/27/2011 7:22:40 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Red Badger

Absolutely! How convenient the distraction.


45 posted on 07/27/2011 7:25:42 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Red Badger
That comes awfully close to witness tampering..................

In much the same way that Chicago comes awfully close to Illinois.

46 posted on 07/27/2011 7:28:40 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Dems demanding shared sacrifice are like Aztec priests doing it while cutting out my heart.)
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To: Texas Fossil
"Perfect storm of idiocy" my @$$.

The program continued in spite of the protests of the agents on the ground for one reason: it was working as designed by The Regime, whose purpose was never to target Mexican cartels.

The above chart (of firearms seized in Mexico) shows that the Mexican cartels' major source of weapons was never US weapons. And that in fact, tens of thousands or firearms, illegally acquired from either the Mexican Military or Central America, according to more reliable source than the propaganda organs of the Obama Regime, are seized every year.

For that reason, law enforcement authorities in Mexico did not need to find Obama/Holder provided weapons on Cartel members/"cartel leaders" as a reason to arrest and prosecute them.

To call it "idiocy" is to claim those weapons were walked into Mexico for primarily any other reason than to manufacture evidence for the Obaminista narrative of "Mexican violence fueled by lax US gun laws." To do this is either dangerously naive or a ruthlessly Obamanista lie. This was nothing other than a "Reichstag Fire" engineered by the Obama regime, to attack 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights.

The only thing that went wrong, for Obamanista designs, was that the murder of a BP Officer, with one of these weapons, provoked whistle-blowers to expose it.

47 posted on 07/27/2011 7:29:44 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Texas Fossil

The corruption goes far and deep. Whoever authorized the letters is guilty of witness tampering. They are directing individuals on what they can and cannot say. Start issuing subpeonas and keep putting on the pressure to get to the officials who authorized this fiasco. Lay it all out and get the independent prosecutor involved. Then start the impeachment hearings.


48 posted on 07/27/2011 7:35:44 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: Red Badger
SEEMS TO ME THEY DON’T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH ALCOHOL OR TOBACCO, JUST FIREARMS.......

Since 'good ole boy' moonshiners, and 'untaxed cigarette' mobsters had a depressing tendency to register their displeasure at the ATF by shooting back, over the decades, the ATF went the 'safer' route. The anti 2d Amendment atmosphere of academia and upper gooberment management didn't hurt, either...

the infowarrior

49 posted on 07/27/2011 7:39:36 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: drpix

Thanks for he illustration.

Bump!


50 posted on 07/27/2011 7:44:30 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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