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The Crying Shame of John Boehner
Rolling Stone ^ | January 5th, 2011 | Matt Tiabbi

Posted on 07/27/2011 9:40:47 AM PDT by Huck

John Boehner is the ultimate Beltway hack, a man whose unmatched and self-serving skill at political survival has made him, after two decades in Washington, the hairy blue mold on the American congressional sandwich. The biographer who somewhere down the line tackles the question of Boehner's legacy will do well to simply throw out any references to party affiliation, because the thing that has made Boehner who he is — the thing that has finally lifted him to the apex of legislative power in America — has almost nothing to do with his being a Republican.

The Democrats have plenty of creatures like Boehner. But in the new Speaker of the House, the Republicans own the perfect archetype — the quintessential example of the kind of glad-handing, double-talking, K Street toady who has dominated the politics of both parties for decades. In sports, we talk about athletes who are the "total package," and that term comes close to describing Boehner's talent for perpetuating our corrupt and debt-addled status quo: He's a five-tool insider who can lie, cheat, steal, play golf, change his mind on command and do anything else his lobbyist buddies and campaign contributors require of him to get the job done.

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And yet, when the Republicans rolled back into the control of the House this past November on the strength of a nationwide Throw-the-Bums-Out movement, it was Boehner, the prototypical bum, who somehow clambered onto the congressional throne. It's hard to imagine that in all of American political history there has been a more unlikely marriage than John Boehner and the pitchfork-wielding, incumbent-eating Tea Party, whose blood ostensibly boils at the thought of business as usual. Because John Boehner is business as usual, a man devoted almost exclusively to ensuring his own political survival by tending faithfully to the corrupt and clanking Beltway machinery.

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The fact that Boehner supported TARP and No Child Left Behind and mega-handouts to the pharmaceutical industry and a range of other federal subsidies is hardly surprising, for this is what mainstream Washington politicians of both parties do — they take great buttloads of money from giant transnational companies, play golf with the CEOs of those same companies ("If someone I've gotten to know on the golf course comes into my office with a good argument," Boehner once said, "I tend to want to listen"), and deliver taxpayer money back to their buddies when the need arises, or sometimes even when the need doesn't arise. In this regard, Boehner has had a lot more in common with campaign-contribution-devouring Democrats like Chris Dodd and Harry Reid than he has with the Tea Party Republican voters he now ostensibly represents.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boehner; debtceiling; hack; weasel
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Yeah, I know, it's Rolling Stone. And the article is peppered with liberal talking points here and there, but there is much in this article from last January that I think is true, as we are now seeing.
1 posted on 07/27/2011 9:40:49 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

I though tat poor excuse for a magazine had died a long time ago..No one reads this garbage but filthy communist democrats..


2 posted on 07/27/2011 9:44:13 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Huck

I though that poor excuse for a magazine had died a long time ago..No one reads this garbage but filthy communist democrats..


3 posted on 07/27/2011 9:44:50 AM PDT by PLD
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To: PLD

Now is an opportunity for tea-partiers to prove that they are non-partisan. We must resist Boehner’s business-as-usual garbage.


4 posted on 07/27/2011 9:46:06 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Taibbi could have substituted any one else’s name for Boehner’s and the article would still essentially ring true (eg., Harry Reid, Orrin Hatch, the entire black caucus, etc.).


5 posted on 07/27/2011 9:47:55 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Huck

It’s enough to make one want to go Galt (after getting Boehner to shaft Zer0’s re-election).


6 posted on 07/27/2011 9:48:05 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Huck

I prefer to do it without using prompts and lines from a Rolling Stone article.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 9:49:03 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Huck

Gee, where was the Rolling Stone article on Pelosi stating what a business as usual hack she was. Drain the swamp? Please, the culture of corruption flourished under her watch. Favors for her district and her husbands business. A rich woman hiring illegals while claiming to be looking out for the little guy.

Oh, wait, Rolling Stone... part of Pravda, nevermind.


8 posted on 07/27/2011 9:49:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (I miss the America I grew up in.)
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To: Huck
John Boehner is the ultimate Beltway hack, a man whose unmatched and self-serving skill at political survival has made him, after two decades in Washington, the hairy blue mold on the American congressional sandwich.

Ouch!! Sticks'n'stones....I think he's playing well with the hand he was dealt..so deal with that.

9 posted on 07/27/2011 9:49:46 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Huck

Exactly. Boehner is a surrender monkey in the finest tradition of the french army. He will sell us out.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 9:49:49 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Salvey

He compares him to Reid and Dodd:

In this regard, Boehner has had a lot more in common with campaign-contribution-devouring Democrats like Chris Dodd and Harry Reid than he has with the Tea Party Republican voters he now ostensibly represents.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 9:50:12 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Wow, Tiabbi writing an acerbic hit piece on a Republican? I can’t BELIEVE it.

Someone might want to tell him that there is another party with people to attack....


12 posted on 07/27/2011 9:51:42 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Salvey

Taibbi could have substituted any one else’s name for Boehner’s and the article would still essentially ring true (eg., Harry Reid, Orrin Hatch, the entire black caucus, etc.).

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Quite true. The exceptions can be counted on one hand, and even those few are not pure.


13 posted on 07/27/2011 9:56:49 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Huck

Bump to read later

Reading the snips I find little to differ with


14 posted on 07/27/2011 9:57:06 AM PDT by don-o (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: Paladin2

>>It’s enough to make one want to go Galt (after getting Boehner to shaft Zer0’s re-election).<<

I am. I make the final drive from Seattle to rural Kentucky beginning next Tuesday morning. :-)


15 posted on 07/27/2011 9:58:13 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: don-o
More:

But there are TARP-like votes ahead that will prove to be the real indicators of whether or not Boehner leads the Republican caucus, or whether the caucus will end up leading him.

Sometime in the spring, for instance, the Republicans will likely be forced to choose between raising the debt ceiling or shutting down the government. Refusing to raise the debt ceiling was an explicit campaign issue for many Tea Party-backed candidates, and in the wake of the election, several prominent Republicans, including dingbat party chief Michael Steele, have vowed to oppose any move to raise the debt limit next year.

"It's going to be really interesting to watch," says one Democratic aide. "Is Boehner going to let the Tea Party shut the government down?"

Boehner, somewhat predictably, has indicated an unwillingness to do so. Reflecting the sentiment of veterans in both parties, he calls raising the debt ceiling a procedural no-brainer, something that simply has to be done.

16 posted on 07/27/2011 10:00:19 AM PDT by Huck
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To: RobRoy

Give us a holler when you get setup. ;-)


17 posted on 07/27/2011 10:00:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Huck

I think this right here is the problem our side faces.

We continually self sabotage ourselves by expecting miracles from the GOP leadership. So we put all our focus on them instead of focusing on how the 0 Democrats are blocking every real reform being presented.

Rather then continually blame the GOP leadership for doing the best they can with a weak hand, how about Conservatives finally focus on the real roadblock here?

The 0 Democrats.

If the GOP held the Senate majority CCB sails through this week leaving 0 in an untenable political position.

So instead of endlessly complaints that the GOP isn’t doing the absolutely impossible, how about we focus on the real enemies to our values?

The current leadership of the Democrat Party.


18 posted on 07/27/2011 10:01:49 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: MNJohnnie
Excellent analysis.

"We have found the enemy and he is us." [Pogo]

19 posted on 07/27/2011 10:07:37 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Because the problem is not just the Democrats. You set up a straw man--"expecting miracles." I'm not expecting miracles. Far from it. But Boehner isn't even on our side in this. It's obvious.

The TEA PARTY should look out for itself first, not carry water for shills like Boehner. Now is the time to show America that we mean business, that this isn't just something we're doing because we're out of power. We need to show hacks like Boehner that we mean business, that we're not going to go back to sleep when the GOP regains control.

You talk about what would happen if the GOP held the majority. How quickly you forget. Just a few short years ago, they DID. And what did they do? They raised the debt limit and increased the debt. Where was the tea party then?

GOPers think we're stupid. They think we'll go back to sleep. They think they can hoodwink us, and maybe they are right. Time will tell.

Get it through your head. The GOP is not our party. They are a professional political organization that we will either control, or be controlled by.

20 posted on 07/27/2011 10:09:12 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Come on. Rolling Stone?


21 posted on 07/27/2011 10:11:16 AM PDT by NYpeanut
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To: Huck
The article's concluding paragraph is spot on:

America is so broke, there's no longer really any money in the Treasury to give away — the job of overseeing corporate handouts that used to belong to the leaders of Congress has now moved to the Federal Reserve, which itself is so broke that it has to invent dollars out of thin air before it can give them away to influential billionaires. This leaves congressional leaders with nothing to do but their ostensible jobs — i.e., fixing the country's actual problems — and few of the current leaders have any experience with that, Boehner being a prime example. The new speaker represents an increasingly endangered class of Beltway jobholders who know how to raise money and get elected, but not much beyond that.


22 posted on 07/27/2011 10:15:18 AM PDT by Zakeet (The Wee Wee's real birth certificate got shredded with his Rezko mortgage records)
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To: Salvey

Yeah, except that they’re communist retards, and he’s the republican Speaker of the House. See the problem?


23 posted on 07/27/2011 10:17:10 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Yep when the Dems said NO to the CCB. Boehner said “NO? Well OK, how about this new plan?” And the dems keep saying NO and Boehner keeps coming up with a weaker plan. What an Idiot, he is playing right into the Dem’s hands. Go back to the CCB and let Obama and the Dems own the Down grade from AAA.

The Republican Party of “NO” is becoming the party of “OK, well how about we offer you this instead.”

Boehner won’t be around as Speaker very long.


24 posted on 07/27/2011 10:17:20 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Unfortunately, Boehner may be around long enough to screw up the works.


25 posted on 07/27/2011 10:18:39 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: NYpeanut

I know. The piece has its flaws, but it also has a lot going for it, or I wouldn’t have posted it.


26 posted on 07/27/2011 10:20:11 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Great article. On the very short list of liberals who I respect, Tabibi ranks high.


27 posted on 07/27/2011 10:21:06 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I have not heard a single Michele or Cain backer threaten to stay home if Palin is nominated.)
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To: Huck; verity
You can be absolutely right on every issue but if you cannot get the voters to go along with you, your view is nothing more then a fringe irrelevance in politics.

There is no political consensus among the people to support your "Burn baby burn" dogmas.

Conservative won a battle in 2010, they did not win the war. NOW the usual suspects around here would rather start a new war with their political allies instead of concentrating on finishing off the real foes to their values in the Progressive Fascist Democrat party.

28 posted on 07/27/2011 10:31:59 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Huck
Isn't that the hippy grass smoking magazine from the 1960s? If we've not learned anything else surely we've learned there was nothing right about that period in our history.
29 posted on 07/27/2011 10:36:42 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: MNJohnnie
You're an apologist for hacks. You are the one opposing our allies. I consider our allies to be the tea-party, and the tea-party conservatives who share our views. In case you don't know, they OPPOSE Boehner's sham plan.

Limbaugh is on right now hollering that Boehner should STOP what he's doing. Stories are out today about tea party organizations calling for Boehner to be replaced.

In short, OUR side, as I see it, OPPOSES Boehner.

30 posted on 07/27/2011 10:37:30 AM PDT by Huck
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To: pepperdog

I take it back, there was the moon shot, that was great!


31 posted on 07/27/2011 10:39:29 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: PLD
Bias THAT extreme and predictable automatically precludes their being taken seriously by anyone, except persons AS extreme and predictably biased as THEY are.

That makes ‘Rolling Stone’ an irrelevant and worthless POS

32 posted on 07/27/2011 10:41:28 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: Huck
This isn't intended to be a slam at you for posting this.  It just angers me how biased the Leftist media outlets are.

John Boehner is the ultimate Beltway hack, a man whose unmatched and self-serving skill at political survival has made him, after two decades in Washington, the hairy blue mold on the American congressional sandwich.

John Boehner is the ultimate target for Rolling Stone because of one truth.  He is the figurehead of the opposition to Barack Obama.

He probably won't get it right by our standards, and will deserve criticism, but he is no more a Beltway hack than Senator Ted Kennedy or any Leftist member of the House of Representatives that has been there for decades. 

Past Klu Klux Klan leaders were just fine to be seated in the Senate of the United States by Leftist's code of conduct, but John Boehner is a beast if he doesn't agree with Obama.  And make no mistake about it, that's what this is all about.  Rolling Stone knows that.

The biographer who somewhere down the line tackles the question of Boehner's legacy will do well to simply throw out any references to party affiliation, because the thing that has made Boehner who he is — the thing that has finally lifted him to the apex of legislative power in America — has almost nothing to do with his being a Republican.

LOL, a bald faced attempt to get Republicans to turn on Boehner, so that Obama can stand unopposed.  This is an attempt to destroy Boehner.  It isn't based on his political views, but stoops to personal shots to accomplish the task.  This is a bankrupt editorial.  It can't stand without personal shots.  It can't stand just addressing the legistlation Boehner is actually lofting.

The Democrats have plenty of creatures like Boehner. But in the new Speaker of the House, the Republicans own the perfect archetype — the quintessential example of the kind of glad-handing, double-talking, K Street toady who has dominated the politics of both parties for decades.

And yet, when important legislation popped up with "
the quintessential Democrat example of the kind of glad-handing, double-talking, K Street toady who has dominated the politics of both parties for decades", the Rolling Stone staff was too busy reading the Communist Party Daily to comment about their history, trying to besmirch them to defeat their efforts.  It didn't criticize them on point concerning legislative goals either.

In sports, we talk about athletes who are the "total package," and that term comes close to describing Boehner's talent for perpetuating our corrupt and debt-addled status quo: He's a five-tool insider who can lie, cheat, steal, play golf, change his mind on command and do anything else his lobbyist buddies and campaign contributors require of him to get the job done.

Boehner has been the Speaker of the House since January of 2009.  Whatever perpetuating he has done, would have to be based on his keeping the Congressional Democrat establishment in place.  If that establishment was so bad when he took over, why wasn't the Rolling Stone ripping it to shreds prior to Boehner becomming the Speaker?

Once again, what does any of this have to do with his party's bill and the attempt to get federal spending under control?  Well, nothing.  Throwing mud at Boehner is all this amounts to.  And that's despicable.

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And yet, when the Republicans rolled back into the control of the House this past November on the strength of a nationwide Throw-the-Bums-Out movement, it was Boehner, the prototypical bum, who somehow clambered onto the congressional throne. It's hard to imagine that in all of American political history there has been a more unlikely marriage than John Boehner and the pitchfork-wielding, incumbent-eating Tea Party, whose blood ostensibly boils at the thought of business as usual. Because John Boehner is business as usual, a man devoted almost exclusively to ensuring his own political survival by tending faithfully to the corrupt and clanking Beltway machinery.

Once again, R.S. is back to trashing Boehner for his supposed vile nature.  Sorry R.S., Boehner is operating within the parameters that you never found to be despicable until a Republican became Speaker.

I may not be a big fan of Boehner, but I could spot an illogical nonsensical biased double-dealing hit-job this disgusting from outer space.

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The fact that Boehner supported TARP and No Child Left Behind and mega-handouts to the pharmaceutical industry and a range of other federal subsidies is hardly surprising, for this is what mainstream Washington politicians of both parties do — they take great buttloads of money from giant transnational companies, play golf with the CEOs of those same companies ("If someone I've gotten to know on the golf course comes into my office with a good argument," Boehner once said, "I tend to want to listen"), and deliver taxpayer money back to their buddies when the need arises, or sometimes even when the need doesn't arise.

Geez, R.S., take a breath once in a while.  I've been known to string a long sentence together myself, but this is truly a doozie.

Was Boehner Speaker of the House when Tarp, No Child Left Behind, and Medical Part D were instituted?  Oh, that's right.  He wasn't.  Did Rolling Stone object to those plans?  Oh that's right.  It didn't.

Folks, I would urge you to pay close attention to the quotation marks in that paragraph sentence.  Much is read into what Boehner actually stated, to make it much worse than it actually was.

Boehner should listen to his constituency.  I know the Left would have us believe that corporations don't deserve a voice in any debate.  We saw evidence of that, when Hillary Clinton set up study pannels to develop her Health Care plan, without including Health Care providers in the mix.  Oh yes, she was convinced she could fix health care, without hearing a single word from the experts working in that industry.  Here R.S. lays out that premise again.

In this regard, Boehner has had a lot more in common with campaign-contribution-devouring Democrats like Chris Dodd and Harry Reid than he has with the Tea Party Republican voters he now ostensibly represents.

Yeah, and who did R.S. favor in those campaigns, Chriss Dodd and Harry Reid, or their oponents?

There is room to take Boehner to task for what is not included in his bill.  It doesn't carve off the $1.6 - $1.8 trillion in deficits each year.  Instead it proposes to cut deficits roughly $4 trillion over the next ten years, as deficists are slated to increase about $16 to $18 trillion.  So we're facing an increase of the federal debt to $30 to $32 trillion dollars by 2022.  Does Rolling Stone address this, to take Boehner to task?  No.

Does it critcize him for lofting a balanced budget amendment that will never see the light of day?  No.  In fact, Rolling Stone didn't address one single tenet of the bill the House passed with Boehner's support.  It didn't address one single tenet of his beliefs related to the debt crisis.

It was nothing but a hit job.  It was designed to peal off support for Boehner and Republicans.

When you're a Leftist, it's okay to act like you agree with Conservatives as long as it furthers your "ENDS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS" goals.  In the above, R.S. acts as if it's as disgusted with past Democrats as we are.  It acts as if it's as upset with the Beltway hacks as we are.  In truth Rolling Stone has never seen a Left-wing hack it didn't like.  None the less, they try to trash the Beltway hacks and there-by Boehner.  The double sets of standards the Left have are never more appearant than when they want to take down a Republican "they think" they can tarnish by saying they are doing what Democrats always have without any critcism whatsoever.

If Rolling Stone thinks it's diatribe here is an effective hit on Boehner, it is sadly mistaken.  Instead it destroys Rolling Stone for not having the awarness to understand what the important issues of the day are.

Going back years to tarninsh a guy, when there is a critical issue at hand, is beyond childish.  It's infantile.

33 posted on 07/27/2011 10:48:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ($1.8 tril yearly deficits = $18 tril in ten years. So now we're proposing $4 tril in cuts? Really?)
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To: DoughtyOne
In fact, Rolling Stone didn't address one single tenet of the bill the House passed with Boehner's support. It didn't address one single tenet of his beliefs related to the debt crisis.

This piece is from last January.

34 posted on 07/27/2011 10:54:54 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Rolling Stone = commie propaganda


35 posted on 07/27/2011 11:00:06 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: DoughtyOne
I take this piece, from last January, like this:

He's saying that Boehner is a typical bought-and-paid-for hack who has more in common with Reid and Dodd than with tea partiers. He was predicting---correctly---that there would eventually be tension between Boehner and the tea party that inadvertantly thrust him into the speakership. He correctly predicted that this would probably come to a head when the debt limit came up again.

Now it's up to us to figure out what to do about it. It doesn't make me want to defend Boehner.

36 posted on 07/27/2011 11:04:59 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Huck, destroying our leader (for better or worse) six days before August 2nd accomplishes what? It throws our side into disarray and makes us look like country bumpkins, incapable of running Congress.

It’s certainly not going to garner support for the best deal we can get.

Yes, my comments focused on this current situation were irrelevant, based on the date of the article. Why you chose this opportunity to post something from six months ago that is negative about Boehner baffles me.

What did you expect to gain by helping to trash Boehner now?

Do you honestly see a benefit to getting him to step down 72 hours before the budget deal needs to be made?


37 posted on 07/27/2011 11:36:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ($1.8 tril yearly deficits = $18 tril in ten years. So now we're proposing $4 tril in cuts? Really?)
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To: Huck

I don’t particularly like the idea of defending a man I have criticized frequently myself. I still see this as a war of sorts, and some are trying to decapitate the only General we have in the midst of an important battle.

This sounds like a good idea to you? Seriously.

Is it your take that Boehner is destroyed, then a solid guy steps in and makes a deal Obama has refused to make up until now?

Explain your best case scenario so I can understand why you would want to do this.


38 posted on 07/27/2011 11:40:49 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ($1.8 tril yearly deficits = $18 tril in ten years. So now we're proposing $4 tril in cuts? Really?)
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To: DoughtyOne
Huck, destroying our leader (for better or worse) six days before August 2nd accomplishes what?

He's not our leader. He's the current GOP House leader. What does it accomplish? It gets a proven loser out of power.

It throws our side into disarray and makes us look like country bumpkins, incapable of running Congress.

It makes the TEA party look like the committed non-partisan grass roots movement it claims to be.

It’s certainly not going to garner support for the best deal we can get.

No deal is the best deal we can get.

Why you chose this opportunity to post something from six months ago that is negative about Boehner baffles me.

Just happened to be going over some old Tiabbi articles on a different topic, ran across this one and found it timely.

What did you expect to gain by helping to trash Boehner now?

Diminishing him.

Do you honestly see a benefit to getting him to step down 72 hours before the budget deal needs to be made?

I don't expect him to step down in 72 hours. I also don't believe we need a deal in 72 hours. This is TARP style phony crisis nonsense. Not falling for it.

39 posted on 07/27/2011 11:42:30 AM PDT by Huck
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To: DoughtyOne

Best case scenario: Tea Party reasserts itself. Debt ceiling deal doesn’t happen. Obama raises debt ceiling on 14th amendment grounds. Tea parties take over leadership in the House and obstruct from here to election day.


40 posted on 07/27/2011 11:44:15 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Nobody seems to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.

The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....

more regulation ...

to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.

more taxes...

The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.

In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.

In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.


41 posted on 07/27/2011 11:44:41 AM PDT by mo
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To: Huck

Huck, you’ve got a Democrat President and Democrat appointments. Let me know which of the following you think is going to happen when August 2nd passes without a deal.

1. nothing bad happens, the negotiations continue indefinitely and Obama is shown up for the liar he is

2. Obama orders each of his department heads to take the most negative actions possible, blaming all the negative consequences on the Republicans, and setting us up to lose the House and Senate in 2012

Let me know when you’ve got this one figured out. There is no third selection no matter what your pipe dreams are.

FoxNews just aired a poll. Over 90% of the populace views the job Congress is doing as poor or worse. That’s even worse than Pelosi’s numbers.

You think avoiding a budget deal turns this around? LOL


42 posted on 07/27/2011 11:51:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ($1.8 tril yearly deficits = $18 tril in ten years. So now we're proposing $4 tril in cuts? Really?)
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To: DoughtyOne

All your arguments stem from fear. You argue for business as usual—kick the can. No thanks.


43 posted on 07/27/2011 11:55:07 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
Huck, destroying our leader (for better or worse) six days before August 2nd accomplishes what?

He's not our leader. He's the current GOP House leader. What does it accomplish? It gets a proven loser out of power.

Actually, he is our leader.  You may not like it, but that's a fact.  Refusing to accept reality is not a way to make a coherent argument.

It gets the only leader we have out of power, hours before the August 2nd deadline.

It throws our side into disarray and makes us look like country bumpkins, incapable of running Congress.

It makes the TEA party look like the committed non-partisan grass roots movement it claims to be.

Boehner stepping down, the August 2nd deadline passing without a deal, makes the Tea Party look good?  Guess which 70 members of Congress get blamed for the government shutting down on August 2nd.  The Democrats?  The Republicans?  The Tea Party?

Yep, it casts the Tea Party as real winners alright.  By the time Obama's thugs have raped this nation, the Tea Party will look like savage illiterates.  Please don't act like you don't know how the media operates, and how this will be explained to the public non-stop for months.

It’s certainly not going to garner support for the best deal we can get.

No deal is the best deal we can get.

While I support that idea, you have to have run things correctly all along for it to work.  Boehner hasn't.  He has unintentionally/intentionally screwed us into the ground.  He hasn't fought Obama with brilliant ideas.  He has left his best arguments on the cutting room floor.  Obama has outmaneuvered him.  Even if Boehner steps down and the best Tea Party person takes control, he's not going to be able to win this one.  We lost this one months ago.

Why you chose this opportunity to post something from six months ago that is negative about Boehner baffles me.

Just happened to be going over some old Tiabbi articles on a different topic, ran across this one and found it timely.

Yep, it's timely alright.  I'm just surprised to see it here instead of on D.U.

What did you expect to gain by helping to trash Boehner now?

Diminishing him.

And thereby deminishing the only person in a postion to be effective against Obama, just when we need him most.

Do you honestly see a benefit to getting him to step down 72 hours before the budget deal needs to be made?

I don't expect him to step down in 72 hours. I also don't believe we need a deal in 72 hours. This is TARP style phony crisis nonsense. Not falling for it.

I don't give a damn if you're falling for it or not.  The public is and you're not helping by doing this.


44 posted on 07/27/2011 12:10:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ($1.8 tril yearly deficits = $18 tril in ten years. So now we're proposing $4 tril in cuts? Really?)
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To: Huck

Huck, when there is no good way out of a situation, fear is a rational reaction. Determining the least damaging way to go forward is the only sane choice.

A media that hasn’t forced Obama to defend his position at all, is not a media that is going to allow what you want to take place to do so.

It’s pointless to continue this exchange.

If the August 2nd debt ceiling deadline passes, you and I can discuss this more as the effects become evident.


45 posted on 07/27/2011 12:17:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ($1.8 tril yearly deficits = $18 tril in ten years. So now we're proposing $4 tril in cuts? Really?)
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To: Huck

Nobody seems to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.

The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....

more regulation ...

to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.

more taxes...

The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.

In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.

In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.


46 posted on 07/27/2011 12:20:44 PM PDT by mo
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To: DoughtyOne; Huck
A media that hasn’t forced Obama to defend his position at all, is not a media that is going to allow what you want to take place to do so.

Regardless of how this plays out, conservatives will be savaged by the MSM. I've lost all concern for what they will do.

The old saying "as well to be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb" comes to mind.

47 posted on 07/27/2011 12:25:43 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Notary Sojac; Huck

Actually, I agree with your take, the media be damned...

The problem as I see it right now, is that Boehner couldn’t gain the upper hand. The public is blaming Congress. I can’t change that.

Playing hardball thus becomes almost suicidal.

If Obama eeks out a victory in 2012 and the House and Senate both wind up under Democrat control, this nation is over pure and simple.

The Bush and Obama duo will have wound up to be more than the nation could survive.

Talk about your perfect storm...


48 posted on 07/27/2011 12:57:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ($1.8 tril yearly deficits = $18 tril in ten years. So now we're proposing $4 tril in cuts? Really?)
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To: MNJohnnie

“Rather then continually blame the GOP leadership for doing the best they can with a weak hand, how about Conservatives finally focus on the real roadblock here”

I keep hearing this stuff about Boehner holding a weak hand. I’m trying to understand (really, no disrespect at all intended). If the Senate doesnt pass the bill the house sends them or if they do and the president doesnt sign...

Then they dont get the money...

We don’t default on anything as there is plenty of revenue to service the dept and pay for whats important.

How is that a bad thing. It seems like a win win situation and the vast majority of the country gets to see just how much the FedGov doesnt matter in their daily lives.

I feel the hand the Speaker holds is a very good one. He has a full house with Aces and Kings but he plays it like he’s holding a pair of twos. This is what make me angry.

Am i missing something? I remember the shut down in the 90’s. Folks were amazed at how little it affected things.


49 posted on 07/27/2011 12:57:56 PM PDT by toddly
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To: DoughtyOne; Notary Sojac
The problem as I see it right now, is that Boehner couldn’t gain the upper hand.

Of course not. He's on a fool's errand. Limbaugh got it right today--this is Ruling Class vs Peasants. They want to isolate and weaken the tea party.

50 posted on 07/27/2011 1:07:58 PM PDT by Huck
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