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Why the Democratic Party is Doomed
Forbes.com ^ | 07/18/11 | Richard Miniter

Posted on 07/27/2011 12:58:16 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX

The Democratic Party, as we have known it for the past 70 years, is now in its last days.

Yes, the House Republicans may raise the debt ceiling for a mix of spending cuts and revenue raisers. Yes, Barack Obama may win the 2012 presidential contest. Yes, bureaucrats and judges will continue to impose new and costly regulations on the economy.

But it doesn’t matter. The long-term trends are almost all bad news for the left wing of the party.

This week’s fight over raising the federal debt limit exposes a key weakness in the warfare-welfare state that has bestowed power onto the Democratic Party: Without an ever-growing share of the economy, it dies. Every vital element of the Democrats’ coalition — unions, government workers, government contractors, “entitlement” consumers — requires constant increases in payments, grants and consulting contracts. Without those payments, they don’t sign checks to re-elect Democrats.

Like it or not, Obama is not the new FDR, but the new Gorbachev: a man forced to preside over the demise of a political system he desperately wants to save.

Democrat champions in the punditocracy confidently predict that the future of the world’s oldest political party is bright. But in fact, the coalition that is the modern Democratic Party is doomed. Every pillar upholding its heavy roof is crumbling.

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1 posted on 07/27/2011 12:58:20 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

Hope springs eternal!


2 posted on 07/27/2011 12:58:56 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Obama is less like FDR and Gorbachev and more like Nero.


3 posted on 07/27/2011 12:59:44 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I can only hope that this wretched wrapped refuse pile is doomed.

Then I can:
1. Take a smelly Obama on the remains.
2. Then pee on it.
3. Then throw up on it.
4. Then burn it.
5. And remove all remains...to include all their books on Marx.

May they rest in the depths of hades.


4 posted on 07/27/2011 1:00:26 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Pining_4_TX

In a souring economy, expect fights over EEOC rulings regarding who gets senior preference in Affirmative Action: women, blacks, Latinos, gays, whatever. The coalition held together when the pie was growing. A shrinking pie means that each group will fight the others to retain the size of its piece.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 1:02:06 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

He is exactly right. We are witnessing the implosion of the welfare state. It is unsustainable. With unfunded obligations of over $100 trillion and a bankrupt nation, the current system is unsustainable.


6 posted on 07/27/2011 1:03:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Pining_4_TX
Yes, the House Republicans may raise the debt ceiling for a mix of spending cuts and revenue raisers. Yes, Barack Obama may win the 2012 presidential contest. Yes, bureaucrats and judges will continue to impose new and costly regulations on the economy.

But it doesn’t matter. The long-term trends are almost all bad news for the left wing of the party.

This is about the dumbest statement I've read in a long time. It doesn't matter if Obama wins again? It doesn't matter if the debt ceiling is raised with no real, defined, major cuts in spending? And it doesn't matter if bureaucrats and judges impose further laws without congressional action? That's all OK because long term trends for the democrats are 'almost all' bad news? What an idjit.

7 posted on 07/27/2011 1:04:06 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I still can’t believe how the MSM hailed his election, and that he was the 2nd coming of FDR.

And I still can’t believe that he re-traced the train trip taken by Lincoln from Illinois to Washington when Lincoln was to be inaugurated. Obama bloated his carbon footprint, because he was already in Washington. But he went back to Chicago, to get on a train, to travel back to Washington to become president. He wanted to establish that symbolism with Lincoln.

AND THE MSM LAPPED IT ALL UP!!


8 posted on 07/27/2011 1:04:22 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Pining_4_TX
Great article..thanks for posting.

Two quotes to ponder:

Alexis de Tocqueville: "The American Republic will endure until Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.."

Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money...

Sort of sums it up rather nicely...

9 posted on 07/27/2011 1:05:22 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Obama is less like FDR and Gorbachev and more like Nero Nixon.

There, fixed it.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 1:05:30 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

It’s still called “Democrat”, but it actually Fabian Socialist/Marxist/Fascist in substance.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 1:08:58 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Because there are more people like ME everyday: waking up to the lies Hussein and his ilk spew.


12 posted on 07/27/2011 1:09:21 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Pining_4_TX
The Democratic Party, as we have known it for the past 70 years, is now in its last days

I remeber reading much the same thing when Carter was in the White House...that "it will be 100 years before another Democrat gets elected President".

Didn't take 100 years to get Clinton.

13 posted on 07/27/2011 1:09:24 PM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: All

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14 posted on 07/27/2011 1:12:54 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Pining_4_TX

Riiiight.
Haven’t I seen this before for both the Democrats and ‘Pubbies?

The Democrats have morphed, IMHO, SUCCESSFULLY in a part of the Far Left, while the Pubbies are no longer conservative but a party of the moronic, mushy middle. There is no party of the Right.

IMHO, that looks like a win for the Democrats, not their obituary.


15 posted on 07/27/2011 1:13:13 PM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Pining_4_TX; All
Obama is not the new FDR, but the new Gorbachev: a man forced to preside over the demise of a political system he desperately wants to save...

A good observation.

Let us just be certain the Republican party doesn't help him keep the dying system on life support.

16 posted on 07/27/2011 1:13:15 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: kabar

Reminds me of what some British lady once said: Tthe problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 1:13:19 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Pining_4_TX

The Democratic Party, as we have known it for the past 70 years, is now in its last days.”

Cant come soon enough!


18 posted on 07/27/2011 1:13:23 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Pining_4_TX

No. The Democratic Party is like herpesvirus. They’re here for the duration, or at least until the American Republic has ended.

They are too wealthy and too powerful. They are too well-entrenched.

This is what it would take for the Democratic Party to be eradicated:

1. The under-30 demographic needs to understand that their future is being mortgaged right now, and when they hit 50 they’ll be screwed.

2. African-Americans need to wake up and realize that the Democratic Party is making fools of them.

3. They also need to realize that the feminist agenda of abortion on demand is designed to keep their birthrate as low as possible.

4. Jews need to get their heads out of their collective asses. That’ll never happen.

5. The public sector unions need to be outlawed. That’ll never happen, either.


19 posted on 07/27/2011 1:18:58 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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To: kabar

We are witnessing the implosion of the welfare state. It is unsustainable. With unfunded obligations of over $100 trillion and a bankrupt nation, the current system is unsustainable.

Being as they are democrats, they would just as soon
destroy the nation rather than their child the welfare
state.

After all, nations are old outmoded imperialistic
geographic creations which have no place in the modern world order./S


20 posted on 07/27/2011 1:19:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

There must be a pony somewhere!


21 posted on 07/27/2011 1:20:30 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

brilliant observation. I fear that political divisions will be broken up more and more by race in the future as whites become less and less of the majority.


22 posted on 07/27/2011 1:21:34 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: Pining_4_TX

good.


23 posted on 07/27/2011 1:22:52 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Little Ray
...while the Pubbies are no longer conservative but a party of the moronic, mushy middle.

I guess you were not around during the Bob Michel House GOP Leader days. That was what you described. The GOP is getting re-energized with Conservative blood thanks to the Tea Party. These RINO losers are being Primaried and losing. I think the activism going on right now is very impressive. Tax increases are off the table for this debt ceiling deal. Who would have thought.


24 posted on 07/27/2011 1:24:26 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Nobody seems to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.

The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....

more regulation ...

to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.

more taxes...

The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.

In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.

In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.


25 posted on 07/27/2011 1:25:21 PM PDT by mo
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To: Pining_4_TX
Richard Miniter fails to take into account Nathan Bedford's first maxim of American politics: all politics in America is not local but ultimately racial. In that context, all of the old assumptions and culture of the American system come under pressure.

What Obama is trying to do in "transforming America" is to crash our current constitutional system and our capitalist system. The author thinks that this transformation will play out in the context of an America of 250 years of constitutional governance but he should think of the transformation occurring in the context of a banana republic for that is what Obama is trying to contrive. In the context of a banana republic it is easy to imagine the emergence of Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, or Juan Peron, not to mention a fellow named Fidel Castro.

No, the Democrat party is not doomed, it has already transformed itself into a vehicle which would not just welcome but facilitate the kind of transformation which is easily imaginable in a banana republic and it will do so by precipitating financial chaos and race politics.


26 posted on 07/27/2011 1:26:15 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Dear Democrats:

Doom on you! Doom on you! Doom on you! Doom on you!...


27 posted on 07/27/2011 1:26:15 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: cayuga

That’s right, around 2003-2004-2005 we heard all sorts of arrogant claims that the Democrat Party was almost dead, would never win another National Election, had become obsolete, etc,,,.

And then came 2006, 2008.

Never grow overconfident or complacent. It is THE fastest way to lose.


28 posted on 07/27/2011 1:34:00 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Pining_4_TX
Wow, such a cheerful, uplifting title and then you have to read this....

Yes, the House Republicans may raise the debt ceiling for a mix of spending cuts and revenue raisers. Yes, Barack Obama may win the 2012 presidential contest. Yes, bureaucrats and judges will continue to impose new and costly regulations on the economy.

Ughhh!

29 posted on 07/27/2011 1:34:08 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
But in fact, the coalition that is the modern Democratic Party is doomed. Every pillar upholding its heavy roof is crumbling.

He couldn't be more wrong. If he was right, the "pillars" upholding Detroit's miserable and corrupt political structure would have collapsed decades ago, and Detroit would have come under the control of conservatives.

Consider this: If the Bush-Kennedy amnesty had gone through and the illegals were getting voting rights before Obama's second term, then Obama would not be in political trouble, no matter how anti-capitalist his policies or how objectively harmful his policies were to the prosperity of the nation.

30 posted on 07/27/2011 1:35:10 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: JusPasenThru
Everyone should remember what that White House favorite Van Jones said - “there's plenty of money out there” - meaning all the wealth of the USA.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/24/van-jones-stop-worrying-about-the-deficit-the-government-can-just-take-more-money-from-rich-companies/

Obviously Obama agrees with this since he now expects us, under the Obama created Threat of Default Crisis, to pay for his insane spending spree. And of course he doesn't want a balanced budget amendment because there is still privately held money out there for him to steal.

31 posted on 07/27/2011 1:38:14 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: nathanbedford

Exactly! I’ve long suspected that Obama has no plans to ever leave the WH.


32 posted on 07/27/2011 1:41:44 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Dilbert San Diego
AND THE MSM LAPPED IT ALL UP!!

That's because they're made up of idiots like this.

33 posted on 07/27/2011 1:41:44 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“The Democratic Party, as we have known it for the past 70 years, is now in its last days”

Nonsense.

The ‘rat party IS NOT “doomed”.
If anything, it’s “the growth party” in America right now.

As more and more illegals pour in, looking for “rights” and “benefits”, to which party will they turn?

As fully 47% of Americans no longer pay taxes, but instead have become “benefit consumers”, to which party will they turn to ensure the goodies keep on a-comin’?

As our schools are dumbed down to the point where cheating to pass becomes the norm (see Atlanta, Georgia), with a mass media that grows ever more crass and base and actively promotes one side over another, which party will come to be seen by increasing numbers of the unwashed as better representing their “interests”?

As “diversity” destroys our cultural coherence as well as our ethnic heritage, to which party will the “diverse” turn to in the hope of promoting their cultures, vis-a-vis the “traditional” “Euro-American” culture?

“Doomed?”
Please.

The only major political party facing extinction is _the other one_, which — if they don’t find some intestinal fortitude, and find it quickly — is destined to go the way of the Whigs into oblivion.

Just sayin’...


34 posted on 07/27/2011 1:51:08 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Until evil is exterminated there will always be Democrats among us...


35 posted on 07/27/2011 1:52:50 PM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Congratulations! Welcome.


36 posted on 07/27/2011 1:54:49 PM PDT by Jenny217
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To: Grumplestiltskin; kabar
You may consider the deeper implications the author is suggesting. Each of the points you listed are unsustainable - what happens when the free sh!t army doesn't get their cheese?

For those who don't understanding what is occurring, I'll spell it out for you: the USA you knew and expected to continue for the foreseeable future is done. What comes next is anyone's guess, but the divide will be along racial/economic lines.

All the dirty laundry that has been accumulating for the last 50 years is going to be washed. Without the strong arm of the fed.gov forcing chosen outcomes, it's gonna be like the "good ole' days", except we won't have (a) an open frontier in which to bleed off population pressure; and (b) a significant % of the world's critical resources in which to drive production.

37 posted on 07/27/2011 2:03:23 PM PDT by semantic
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To: kabar

I think you are exactly right.

Still I have hope because after the implosion, after air castles collapse, the people who made and to this day make America will still be in place: soldiers, builders, farmers, ranchers, miners, machinists, fishermen, loggers, small town doctors, bankers, clergy, merchants...they will still be at their homes and shops and offices ready to sweep up, pick up, build up the nation again.

It’s what they do and have been doing since the first Revolution. The hell with Washington, the hell with Wall Street, Hollywood, Georgetown, Alexandria, Manhattan, L.A., on and on.

“After the buffalo are gone,” Sitting Bull said, “we will hunt mice. Because we are hunters and we want our freedom.”

Plug in the trades and the callings mentioned above—as well as any other honest day’s work you want to name—and Sitting Bull’s dictum holds true for all of us who care.

Bring on the crash. Bring on the smoke and ruins, the bleating and the bleeding, for that matter, if that’s where they want to go.

When it’s over we’ll all still be here, ready to work.


38 posted on 07/27/2011 2:03:27 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Lazlo in PA

Nixon was a great president compared to Obama.


39 posted on 07/27/2011 2:09:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Little Ray

Ahh, the voice of the happily ignorant, graces us with a brain fart.


40 posted on 07/27/2011 2:09:23 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Pining_4_TX

for sure there is gonna be one heck of a donnybrook when the various Democrat taker constituency groups realize they can’t get one more slice of the GDP.


41 posted on 07/27/2011 2:11:02 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Pining_4_TX

Didn’t Richard Daley write an article in one of Washington’s newspapers about this? Something about he would not be to happy if the Democratic party went into a self destruct mode.


42 posted on 07/27/2011 2:11:43 PM PDT by Anna W
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To: kabar

ANd in the end that’s going to mean writing off debt.


43 posted on 07/27/2011 2:11:52 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Leftists have pushed tribalist doctrines of “multi-culturalism” on minorities in the name of diversity.

Each tribes doctrines have some common threads beyond “vote democrat and hate and scapegoat whitey.” These common threads promise a meltdown of the Democrat party.

Have race pride!

That means be a racial supremist. Racists alawys shun and hate anyone who is not of their race. That means the brown racists who consider themselves superior will hate the black racists who consider themselves a superior race.

Look out for your own kind. Remember where you came from!

That means the racial supremists of diversity must ignore equal opportunity and equality before the law and perfer one another over everyone outside the race tribe. This means blacks will resent the success of Hispanics and Hispanics, as the largest majority will have the power lock out the inferior blacks. They all will resent the white queers.

The Left’s race tribes can’t be controlled for the party’s power, ultimately. You raise children in a culture of racism with the spit fire agression of tribalism, and you raise kids who have enemies outside their minority tribe.


44 posted on 07/27/2011 2:19:49 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: semantic
There is no doubt that the welfare state is already Balkanizing us along class, race, ethnic, and cultural lines. There is a growing wealth gap between whites/Asians and blacks/Hispanics. We are taking on the profile of a third world country with a permanent underclass and declining middle class and an the wealthy. The result will be more gated communities, increased crime, and the poor fighting among themselves for government handouts and jobs.

Since 1965 our immigration polices have changed rapidly the demographics of this country. The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.977 percent (2010 estimate), principally due to immigration.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2039, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2042, they will be 50 percent.

Yes, the chickens are coming home to roost. Read this sobering piece by Victor Davis Hanson--The Tragic View Returns The therapeutic society’s world view has become unsustainable.

45 posted on 07/27/2011 2:23:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: MNDude

But why are whites less and less of the majority? Uncontrolled illegal invasion, that’s why. And too much LEGAL immigration as far as that goes. It ends because the dynamics of the situation are bigger than congress, bigger than the fed, bigger even than the bo’s swollen head.


46 posted on 07/27/2011 2:25:34 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Read my post #45. We are no longer the same country demographically. Multiculturalism and diversity have torn the fabric of national unity and shared values. Regretfully, I don’t share your optimism about our ability to regain control over our country and defend our patrimony.


47 posted on 07/27/2011 2:28:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: cayuga

Yes, and who do we have to thank for that? Answer: the sorry assed Republicans like Boner, Cantor and McCarthy. The “It’s my turn” leadership like that old worthless fossil, John McLame!. The damned Tea Party folks in the Congress better not cave, or I am for throwing them out in 2012 along with the rest of the RATs.


48 posted on 07/27/2011 2:30:14 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Grumplestiltskin
The Democrats can't change the laws of fiscal reality. They won't be able to keep the goodies coming to the 47% who are the takers. The entitlement programs are unsustainable and so are the means-tested welfare programs. Once you kill the producers, the rest of society lacks the fiscal wherewithal to continue with the status quo. See what happened in Zimbabwe.

Who is John Galt?

49 posted on 07/27/2011 2:34:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I don’t know where you live, kabar.

If you live on the East or West Coast, or in a major metro area, I can understand your unease.

And frankly I would fear for your well-being.

My family and my home, or my home areas I should say, are in the Plains states and the Northern Rockies-—productive, lightly populated, highly skilled and community-oriented areas all.

I don’t want a collapse to come and good people like yourself to suffer. But I am where I want to be if it’s going to happen.


50 posted on 07/27/2011 2:35:59 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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