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Reports: House GOP lining up behind Boehner’s plan (the GOP has sold the tea party out)
Hotair ^ | 7/27/11 | Allahpundit

Posted on 07/27/2011 1:50:33 PM PDT by teg_76

[T]he opposition bloc led by [Jim] Jordan appears to be crumbling, as leadership’s message seems to be sinking in. Sources tells NRO that a number of members who were confirmed no votes against the Boehner plan announced during the meeting that they would be voting yes. One of those members, Rep. Blake Farenthold (R., Texas) told reporters that while he would like to “snap my fingers and change the world like ‘I Dream of Genie’ of Samantha on ‘Bewitched,’” Republicans “need to take what we can get.”…

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KEYWORDS: boehner; donothingsenate; obama; palin; partyofnoplan; reid; teaparty
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Face it, we have no representation in Washington. The cuts we need to save this country will never happen....but hey, the GOP might come out of this looking okay. That's what's important, right?
1 posted on 07/27/2011 1:50:39 PM PDT by teg_76
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To: teg_76

if true,

some pubies will not be returning to congress in 2012.


2 posted on 07/27/2011 1:52:04 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: teg_76

What’s the saying, defeat ripped from the jaws of victory?


3 posted on 07/27/2011 1:52:38 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: teg_76

Once the House dems united to say they would unanimously vote no, they guaranteed passage.


4 posted on 07/27/2011 1:52:42 PM PDT by henkster (Ethanol belongs in a beer can, not a gas tank.)
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To: teg_76

My hope is that this will spur the Tea Party to even greater action against both parties. More primary challenges = fewer RINOs.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 1:53:01 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: teg_76

What does it matter, Senators arent voting for it and Bam Bam said hed veto??? right?


6 posted on 07/27/2011 1:53:46 PM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: Dr. Thorne

It better or we are sunk.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 1:54:31 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: ken21

It’s time for the tea party to officially start its own politian party. The GOP is doing nothing to help the country, and I won’t even comment on the Dems....


8 posted on 07/27/2011 1:54:58 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: teg_76

Brit Hume called it Monday night. “Boehner won’t have the votes tonight, Tuesday, but he will on Wednesday”.


9 posted on 07/27/2011 1:56:17 PM PDT by AU72
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To: teg_76

I take it this board prefers default? Or maybe I just don’t understand what the preferred plan is if Boehner’s is not acceptable.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 1:57:14 PM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: teg_76

Look on the bright side, when this all shakes out we will have more people to hang for treason.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 1:57:17 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: teg_76

When looking at a count on a vote like this it’s much more accurate to look at liberals vs. conservatives rather than republicans vs. democrats. Liberal republicans (read: RINO’s) vote along with liberal democrats (read: All of them) against conservative republicans (read: the TEA party and some other specific examples)

It’s a disgrace.


12 posted on 07/27/2011 1:57:45 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (if there were a little more of me around we'd all be better off.)
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To: teg_76

No, this is ok.

The good: Any blood will be on Reid’s and 0zer0’s hands. And it brings the issue up again next spring. That is no small thing. No tax increases.

The bad: no meaningful cuts whatsoever, brings down morale as we realize we can’t do it all right now, the GOP leadership felt it necessary to blow sunshine up our asses.


13 posted on 07/27/2011 1:58:45 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Sporke

So far I have few problems with the TEA GOP. Waiting to see what the TEA does after this brewing by the establishment GOP. My problem is with the establishment GOP. I want to invite the establishment GOP to TEA.


14 posted on 07/27/2011 1:59:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
At this rate we'll have to import rope.
15 posted on 07/27/2011 1:59:37 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: teg_76
At what point will the old guard GOP push the tea party out and create the fertile ground for a real third party? Also, will the GOP even care that they guarantee an Obama second term and their own minority status?
16 posted on 07/27/2011 2:00:00 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: don'tbedenied

There won’t be a default. Our debt service obligations are approximately $20 billion per month. Revenues to the Treasury are between $175 and $225 billion per month.

“Pass the plan or we’ll default” is pure fear-mongering bull$hit.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 2:00:45 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Personal Responsibility

It is all a waste of time.

Rush said that if they just froze the budget ...no base line increases saving over 10 years 980 Billion

We need the senate and white house and not Mitt


18 posted on 07/27/2011 2:01:20 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Personal Responsibility

I sure hope those GOP pukes don’t call me for a donation again. I’m usually well spoken and calm when I turn them down, listing legitimate reasons.

Next time, they will hear the sailor in me.


19 posted on 07/27/2011 2:01:22 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: JPG

I’d chip in some cash.


20 posted on 07/27/2011 2:01:29 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: teg_76
The GOP has been handed a razor blade by the dimocrat’s and they are following the enclosed instructions and using it on their collective wrist.
21 posted on 07/27/2011 2:01:51 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: teg_76
Since Obambi has already said he will never sign the Boehner Bill, why not pass a bill that actually CUTS SPENDING?!?!?

Passing a crap bill and then having it rejected as "too extreme" on top of that is the worst possible outcome for the GOP.

Idiots!

22 posted on 07/27/2011 2:02:18 PM PDT by comebacknewt ((on second thought, never mind, go away again Newt))
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To: kevao

Yes it is.


23 posted on 07/27/2011 2:02:26 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: teg_76

Didn’t Reid say it was DOA? So what difference does it make?


24 posted on 07/27/2011 2:05:03 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Dr. Thorne
My hope is that this will spur the Tea Party to even greater action against both parties.

Now THAT's what I'm talkin about!

25 posted on 07/27/2011 2:05:18 PM PDT by Principled
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To: kevao

I realize the default will not occur on the BS deadline, but we will either stop meeting our obligations or default. So what is the preferred plan of the aggrieved members of the board?


26 posted on 07/27/2011 2:05:34 PM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: don'tbedenied
I take it this board prefers default?There is no need for a default. A default can only occur if Bambi and Turbo Tax Timmy cause it to happen. There is enough money coming in to pay bonds coming due.
27 posted on 07/27/2011 2:06:31 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How close is the tipping point?)
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To: teg_76
After listening to the reasoned and well-informed Paul Ryan on Hannity, I tend to agree with him. He's backing the Boehner plan.
28 posted on 07/27/2011 2:06:42 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Sporke

The GOP is about done, indeed. I mean, it’s still better than letting Pelosi and Reid take over the profitable businesses once this phony inbred currency system goes kaput, because, that is their plans, after all, to completely destroy the banks via either stonewalling or overspending and never paying back in technicality.

I do not know what the GOP is thinking, but the country is going to go down from here on out.

What would have been logical would be sensitive cuts and killing a few bad corrupt banks, but nooooo!!!

You see, the problem is we are getting listed, gays, blacks and even ultimately jews too, for, why not... and let us mention this, what makes someone Christian, eh? Oh, and all those social security numbers indicating what kind of red or blue state area you come from, along with this illicit census.

Can we say the apocalypse is on its way?
Because, the stimulus and spending is for the government and government only, it is not for “circumstances” or “contingencies” like the economy, it is for government. So, it is for a specific program no one is really sure about, unless one is a bit aware that evil has a life of its own and a plan of its own, and it is to serve that evil, much like laissez faire capitalism is a motivator, so is laissez faire government a motivator of corruption at the government level.

So, the plan is straight through red nazism, ie. a sort of mushy combination of attracting the weak to be listed (gays) and getting rid of the strong, the gun owners, first. So they go red first and then when this dark matter of bureaucrate and so called independents get what they think is their way, they will eat their own selves and start attacking the weak they initialy pretended they supported, after having listed them.

THe point of the exercise of opposing Zero was not to punish but to expose the paranoia and the danger that such people are always paranoiac, no matter how appeased. It was for their own good too. But, no, the GOP is corrupt and cannot manage the attacks of the left very well, so it caves again or tries to get its mislea biscuit piece of pie in that looting system.


29 posted on 07/27/2011 2:07:08 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: teg_76

Once Reid and Obama see how hard it was just to get this lousy bill through the House, they will sign onto it as the best they can hope for.


30 posted on 07/27/2011 2:07:20 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: teg_76
Calm down folks. We haven't the numbers to force the issue. If we don't compromise, and the result is either a partial government shutdown or negative economic repercussions, I assure you that Republicans will receive the blame. Save your powder for 2012 when we have a real chance to unseat Obama and pick up sufficient seats in the Senate to enact meaningful change.
31 posted on 07/27/2011 2:07:52 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: GoCards

Good point, even Alan West says if we went with the tea party plan- it wouldnt pass senate or pres. I suggest they cut energy dept, farm subsidies, reduce military in japan, germany, s korea, germany, no more money for the middle east


32 posted on 07/27/2011 2:07:58 PM PDT by mriguy67
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To: teg_76

After we go into a full blown Depression, market crash, lose our homes, jobs, treasures and retirement funds, would someone please remind me of how this makes a difference, one way or the other.

Intelligent life does not exist in DC.

I’m getting a headache.


33 posted on 07/27/2011 2:08:03 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Truth29
At what point will the old guard GOP push the tea party out and create the fertile ground for a real third party?

I hope the TEA party continues to win primaries to replace unacceptable Rs.

Also, will the GOP even care that they guarantee an Obama second term and their own minority status?

This bill will murder obama and the dems. The ONLY thing Rs gotta be wary of is being blamed. Passing things and presenting them to the Senate protects them from that.

34 posted on 07/27/2011 2:09:14 PM PDT by Principled
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To: teg_76

Say this passes the House. Will it pass the Senate?

No it will not. Obama doesn’t want a solution of any kind.


35 posted on 07/27/2011 2:09:31 PM PDT by dforest
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To: comebacknewt
"Since Obambi has already said he will never sign the Boehner Bill"

What is the expiration date on that declaration?

A "plan" that accelerates deficit spending, and 0bama will never sign it?

Well maybe . . . 0bama is fairly dumb.

36 posted on 07/27/2011 2:09:46 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: EGPWS
The GOP has been handed a razor blade by the dimocrat’s and they are following the enclosed instructions and using it on their collective wrist.

Well said.

37 posted on 07/27/2011 2:10:38 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

I think you are right, and in this case the good outweighs the bad. The question of real cuts will come back in the election. If there are any fiscally conservatives in the campaign (Palin?, Bachmann? who else?) they will have the chance to really rub it in on the spenders (RINOs, Obama). You will need a conservative president, at least retain the House, to be able to push through real budget cuts. But one should also remember that real reforms will probably be better if they are planned, rather than pushed through in desperation.

Some real conservatives like Fred Thompson and John Bolton are saying take your winnings even if they are not all you wished for, as lons as you know that you are even better positioned to win the big battle.


38 posted on 07/27/2011 2:13:17 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ken21
some pubies will not be returning to congress in 2012.

At the rate things are going, there won't be elections in 2012.... we'll be under some sort of dictatorship by then.

39 posted on 07/27/2011 2:13:35 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Well, in any deal, whatever the side, the idea is to get the money upfront for whatever one really really wants. The GOP is incapable of managing this accumen and lets itself treated emotionaly by a bunch of panzy democrates pimped out by red china, and that is it.


40 posted on 07/27/2011 2:14:03 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Care to recap what Ryan said?

I could reeeeeally use some reassurance right about now.

41 posted on 07/27/2011 2:14:09 PM PDT by comebacknewt ((on second thought, never mind, go away again Newt))
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To: Huck
Didn’t Reid say it was DOA? So what difference does it make?

The difference is if the House GOP passes a plan and the Dem Senate does not pass it simply because Obama wants to push this out past the election, then the Dems own the resulting default.

Of course, they could always turn this back on the House. They could take the Boehner bill, gut it and amend it to contain the Reid bill, pass it and send it BACK to the House and dare them to vote it down - in that case, blame goes back to the House. Of course, that would then require a conference committee, and who is appointed to that committee would largely determine what the final bill looked like.

42 posted on 07/27/2011 2:14:33 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: americanophile

“Calm down folks. We haven’t the numbers to force the issue. If we don’t compromise, and the result is either a partial government shutdown or negative economic repercussions, I assure you that Republicans will receive the blame. Save your powder for 2012 when we have a real chance to unseat Obama and pick up sufficient seats in the Senate to enact meaningful change.”

Bingo.


43 posted on 07/27/2011 2:14:58 PM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: don'tbedenied
So what is the preferred plan of the aggrieved members of the board?

Kill off
•Department of Agriculture (USDA)
•Department of Commerce (DOC)
•Department of Education (ED)
•Department of Energy (DOE)
•Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
•Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
•Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
•Department of Labor (DOL)
•Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
•Destory ATF, Foreign Aid, UN, NATO, pull most troops from Europe and Asia back home, and other Bravo Sierra agencies and bureaus as needed.

Every remaining department gets a haircut to the percentage needed to balance the budget.

44 posted on 07/27/2011 2:17:10 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How close is the tipping point?)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Well, in any deal, whatever the side, the idea is to get the money upfront for whatever one really really wants. The GOP is incapable of managing this accumen and lets itself treated emotionaly by a bunch of panzy democrates pimped out by red china, and that is it.

Oh, and the other point of the exercise was to prove that this panzy feminine government is not needed. Well, except for a few of them in it left with some fortitude, and this is why perhaps Palin is hedging.

Let us look at this. Louis XVI’s downfall was that he was found to be useless and things kept going after he left the castle. We have the same NWO level situation here. This “King Government” is becoming more and more irrelevant as it becomes corrupt and bipartisan and compromising.

Once this will be visible, a cadre, hopefuly, of certain well minded capitalist folkes, will get to a board meeting with the military and some governors of states, and reroute the whole thing, bypassing the jackasses of DC that we really do not need anymore.... that is if we are not getting a nuke strike from Russia and CHina in the meantime during this crisis.


45 posted on 07/27/2011 2:17:40 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: teg_76
This makes me sick. What a waste of time this whole sham has been. It's ridiculous. I've had my fill of both the Democrats AND the Republican. They are both the establishment. John Boehner is a sissified punk. Somehow I knew I was right in holding back praising him for his stand. Now he's imploded. He said Obama is like Jello, but he, himself is nothing but an old bag of hot air. He needs to be defeated. He's a crybaby now, just wait until after election day 2012. Sissy punk!!

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46 posted on 07/27/2011 2:21:13 PM PDT by abcc2011 (Christian and conservative.)
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To: don'tbedenied

I can't speak for the board, but as for me I say "call Obama's bluff". The "establishment GOP" should cave to the "Tea Party" and wash its hands from this fight right now. The Tea Party has the spine to represent We the People. The RINO's obviously do not. Forget a new plan by Boehner -- give Rand Paul and Michelle Bachmann a crack at it. They've already made proposals that would yet save $800 billion in 2011. That's what we need -- savings TODAY and not proposals for 10 years. Default TODAY is what we've earned TODAY, and if the establishment GOP won't fix it TODAY, then default is what we should have TODAY. Yes, I'd prefer that to kicking the can another decade down the road for our children and grandchildren.


47 posted on 07/27/2011 2:22:28 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: teg_76

The US will soon have no choice but to make deep cuts in spending. For now, the Boehner plan is the best that the GOP can attain. In implementation it is likely to get better.


48 posted on 07/27/2011 2:23:16 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: comebacknewt
One thing Ryan said was McConnell absolutely pulled the rug out from under them when he shot his mouth off. They had momentum.

As far as the Boehner plan, Ryan is saying that the cuts must become law before the debt ceiling is raised, so it is not giving money to Obama with “promises” of future cuts.

49 posted on 07/27/2011 2:23:16 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: teg_76

If true, we simply need to start all over again in 2012. Fumigation takes time.


50 posted on 07/27/2011 2:24:29 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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