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Rape disclosure stops debate
The Charlotte Observer ^ | 7/27/2011 | Craig Jarvis, Lynn Bonner

Posted on 07/27/2011 3:11:53 PM PDT by boatbums

RALEIGH By a single vote, the state House on Tuesday overrode the governor's veto of a bill intended to discourage abortions by requiring women to wait 24 hours, receive counseling and be shown an ultrasound before the operation can take place.

Lawmakers on both sides of the issue once again brought impassioned arguments to the floor. But none were as startling as Rep. Ruth Samuelson's debate-ending disclosure that she had once been raped. The Mecklenburg County Republican was responding to some Democrats who argued that the bill would traumatize rape victims and in effect give rapists parental rights.

"Respecting her choice is traumatic and victimizing?" she said. "I'll tell you what's traumatic and victimizing."

Samuelson's remarks came at the conclusion of a lengthy debate, and she immediately moved to vote on the bill. When the override succeeded, pro-life supporters in the gallery broke into applause, and were gaveled to order by Speaker Thom Tillis.

Samuelson couldn't be reached late Tuesday. In May she told the Observer the measure would make sure a rape victim "had the information she needs so she doesn't later feel traumatized because she didn't understand what she was doing."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; rape
Rep. Ruth Samuelson bravely disclosed her rape experience and, for once, it was truthfully used to express that women need to fully understand the abortion issue in order to make informed decisions. I applaud her courageous stand for women.
1 posted on 07/27/2011 3:11:59 PM PDT by boatbums
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To: wagglebee

Pro-Life ping


2 posted on 07/27/2011 3:12:58 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Taking our country back, bit by bit.


3 posted on 07/27/2011 3:24:17 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: boatbums

Notice that this bill does not actually restrict abortion, just like the Texas one.


4 posted on 07/27/2011 3:30:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: boatbums

In L.A. a few years back, the parents of a comatose woman who had been repeatedly raped in her hospital bed by a staff member, refused to abort the baby when it was discovered the daughter was pregnant. They demanded the baby be allowed to come to term and raised it as a loving testament to their daughter.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 3:34:01 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: boatbums

What did she say? There are no quotes in the story other than her retort.


6 posted on 07/27/2011 3:34:29 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: boatbums

Wow. Just wow.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 3:36:01 PM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Deb

This is an area in which even most anti-abortion folks tread lightly, especially when the abortion is done prior to a fetal heartbeat appearing. But it’s beautiful when people in such a situation, or their caretakers if they are not competent, let the baby gestate and be born. Rapists are the scummiest of scum, who ought to be shot, but unborn babies are blameless.


8 posted on 07/27/2011 3:43:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution!)
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To: Deb

God bless those loving family members. They will likely heal far faster than if they had allowed the abortion and will not carry the guilt of denying life to a child.


9 posted on 07/27/2011 3:45:07 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Kandy Atz
What did she say? There are no quotes in the story other than her retort.

That's why I don't believe her. She's a feminist democrat - she lies with every breath. And it is inconsequential to her to lie about being raped, even though that violates the dignity and respect of all of the women who actually have been raped. All Rats are shameless. But feminist Rats are depraved.

10 posted on 07/27/2011 4:26:19 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Talisker
That's why I don't believe her. She's a feminist democrat - she lies with every breath. And it is inconsequential to her to lie about being raped, even though that violates the dignity and respect of all of the women who actually have been raped. All Rats are shameless. But feminist Rats are depraved.

I think you misread the article. Representative Samuelson is a pro-life Republican who disclosed her experience with rape to end debate on the veto override.

11 posted on 07/27/2011 4:37:35 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: cpforlife.org

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12 posted on 07/27/2011 4:39:56 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: GeronL
Notice that this bill does not actually restrict abortion, just like the Texas one.

It does restrict it more than what is currently allowed and, most importantly, it gives the real truth to women about what they are deciding to do. In the majority of cases when women see their babies images and hear their hearts beating, they change their minds in favor of life for their babies. Why else do you think the Libs are fighting it so hard?

Abortion may never be made illegal again but we are working towards making it unthinkable. This is, I believe, the best way to stop it. One heart at a time.

13 posted on 07/27/2011 4:45:58 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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14 posted on 07/27/2011 4:49:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Talisker
Wanna buy a clue?

I think you can get one pretty cheap over at the Foot-in-Mouth section.

15 posted on 07/27/2011 4:50:11 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: boatbums
I recently attended this young woman's wedding (her daughter was the flower girl):

Prayer Request for Rape Victim

16 posted on 07/27/2011 4:51:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Deb

Amen! Any choice FOR life is always the best choice.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 4:52:56 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Talisker; Kandy Atz
That's why I don't believe her. She's a feminist democrat - she lies with every breath.

She's a conservative Republican.

18 posted on 07/27/2011 4:54:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Faith
God bless those loving family members. They will likely heal far faster than if they had allowed the abortion and will not carry the guilt of denying life to a child.

I agree! What a legacy for their daughter to raise her child in their loving home. The rapist is who deserves punishment, NOT the innocent child.

19 posted on 07/27/2011 4:55:48 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Rapists are the scummiest of scum, who ought to be shot

Shot? WAAAAAY to good for them. Bring back hanging. Short drop style.

20 posted on 07/27/2011 5:03:45 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: boatbums; Faith
The rapist is who deserves punishment, NOT the innocent child.

Exactly, I often ask people who support abortion in cases of rape if they also think the children of men who commit murder, armed robbery and arson deserve to be executed.

21 posted on 07/27/2011 5:08:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Talisker
You need to get some information before you launch into your tirades, bub. Rep. Samuelson is a REPUBLICAN representative in the North Carolina house. She is staunchly Pro-Life and a Christian. Because of her heroic admission, the house voted to OVERTURN the Democrat Governor's veto. We are all hoping the senate follows suit. Are you clear now?
22 posted on 07/27/2011 5:17:01 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Talisker

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. I would advise you to shut the hell up and stay off of this thread hereafter because you are not just wrong, you’re spewing outright lies!


23 posted on 07/27/2011 5:22:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: The Grammarian
Aw shucks, I should have known the lies were quickly countered. ... {And yet another summer of '08 sign-up is disclosed.}
24 posted on 07/27/2011 5:25:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: wagglebee

A wonderful young woman and family. I will pray for them. I believe that every day she looks into the face of her child, instead of anger or fear, she feels utter joy and gratitude towards God for bringing such a blessing to her life.


25 posted on 07/27/2011 5:30:31 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: MHGinTN

In this case, piling on is a GOOD thing. ;o)


26 posted on 07/27/2011 5:33:38 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: wagglebee

Is that precious baby here yet? May God reward this woman with blessings beyond measure for choosing life for this child. Prayers for all involved.


27 posted on 07/27/2011 6:23:45 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Faith
She's almost six now, she was the flower girl at her mom's wedding.
28 posted on 07/27/2011 6:37:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Sorry I didn’t read carefully. What an awesome story. The child will always be a blessing. Thanks for sharing.


29 posted on 07/27/2011 6:43:43 PM PDT by Faith
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30 posted on 07/27/2011 6:56:49 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available 4 FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: boatbums
Thanks for the pro-life ping. Some good news for a change! I pinged the list.
31 posted on 07/27/2011 6:59:41 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available 4 FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Rapists are the scummiest of scum, who ought to be shot, but unborn babies are blameless.

Right, and abortion destroys the limitless human potential which a blameless baby represents.

It is an amazing thing that something so wonderful can come from such a horrible crime.

For instance, I have heard that Beethoven may have been a child of rape.

A baby, with all of its potential, is a wondrous thing, and to callously kill it, before it even has a chance to be born, will always be a crime, in my humble opinion.

32 posted on 07/27/2011 8:31:29 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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bump!


33 posted on 07/28/2011 5:59:38 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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