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Calls to scrap Australia's written citizenship test
The Daily Telegraph (Sydney) ^ | 28th July 2011 | Bruce McDougall and Tim Vollmer

Posted on 07/27/2011 3:59:03 PM PDT by naturalman1975

THE federal government faces calls to scrap Australia's written citizenship test because it is too hard for thousands of migrants who cannot understand the questions.

New Australians are refusing the test for fear of failing and being deported, with just 9043 migrants applying from October to December last year when there should have been about 30,000, The Daily Telegraph reported.

A submission to the Inquiry into Multiculturalism said almost 23 per cent of Sudanese migrants, 17.5 per cent of Afghanis and 16 per cent of Iraqis fail to pass the test on first or subsequent attempts.

The NSW Teachers' Federation demanded the government drop the written questions and return to a "basic spoken English test" as used in the past.

"The citizenship test requires near native-speaker competence in English," the federation's submission says.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: citizenship; immigration; multiculturalism; teachers; union; unions
"The citizenship test requires near native-speaker competence in English," the federation's submission says.

God forbid that we might want Australian citizens to have near native-speaker competence in English.

Bear in mind that virtually anybody living in Australia who is eligible to apply for citizenship will already have a permanent residency visa - they are not in danger of being deported, they can live here, work here, do most things here - can't vote, serve on juries, things like that, but they can do most things. We're not kicking people out because they can't pass an English test. But if they want to be a citizen, they are expected to pass a test that shows they have good English skills and a decent understanding of basic Australian culture and history. 23% of Sudanese migrants fail the test the first time they try it - that means 77% pass. When three quarters can pass it, it doesn't seem unreasonably hard either.

If the NSW Teachers' Federation regards that as unreasonable, it tells us a lot about the NSW Teachers' Federation.

1 posted on 07/27/2011 3:59:08 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

A Citizenship test SHOULD be hard...


2 posted on 07/27/2011 4:01:21 PM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: naturalman1975

I thought they spoke Strine down there...


3 posted on 07/27/2011 4:04:18 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: naturalman1975

*facepalm*

national suicide, like Londonistan and EUSSR


4 posted on 07/27/2011 4:06:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: naturalman1975
If the NSW Teachers' Federation regards that as unreasonable, it tells us a lot about the NSW Teachers' Federation.

When you see how badly teachers do on any tests of teacher-competency, you can imagine they're concerned about being out-performed, even replaced, by newly-arrived migrants from Sudan. Bad for the teachers' self-esteem, you know!

5 posted on 07/27/2011 4:06:38 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: naturalman1975

Gee, I wanto be a docter. But them docter tests scare me!

Kin I just get the docter prise anyway?


6 posted on 07/27/2011 4:06:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: naturalman1975

And so it starts.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 4:07:30 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: naturalman1975

Crikey! I had to learn Strine before I could communicate with people here. Not only that, I had to learn to add “our” to words like “labour” and “colour” and then “re” to “centre” so when I wrote they could understand me. Seems the world liberals want to turn their countries over to those who don’t want to or can’t assimilate.


8 posted on 07/27/2011 4:12:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: naturalman1975

Heck, why bother with a visa or other silly government paperwork. Just let ‘em all come and go as they please like we do in America. Really, what could possibly go wrong?


9 posted on 07/27/2011 4:16:20 PM PDT by bgill
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To: naturalman1975

Why are “Sudanese, Afghanis, and Iraqis” coming to Australia anyway?


10 posted on 07/27/2011 4:19:14 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Because Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq are s**tholes.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 4:20:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: bgill
I know you're being sarcastic; but the first thing that came to mind after reading your post was that, if codified, someone in State Department would probably demand reciprocity from places like Sudan and Zimbabwe.
12 posted on 07/27/2011 4:30:04 PM PDT by norton
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To: SkyDancer

Ebonics


13 posted on 07/27/2011 4:30:24 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: naturalman1975
God forbid that we might want Australian citizens to have near native-speaker competence in English.

Will the Aussies flunk you for writing "gray" instead of "grey" or "color" instead of "colour"?

14 posted on 07/27/2011 4:33:46 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: naturalman1975

I just passed it with no preparation, it is all common sense.


15 posted on 07/27/2011 4:35:46 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Myrddin

Yo What ah wuz sayin` wuz ah had ta learn Australian lingo ta git along down here just like mammy.


16 posted on 07/27/2011 4:36:28 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Polybius
Will the Aussies flunk you for writing "gray" instead of "grey" or "color" instead of "colour"?

It cost me points on English assignments in a Canadian high school in the late '70s.

17 posted on 07/27/2011 4:40:10 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: naturalman1975

Do not lower your standards for any reason.

Great advice to live by.


18 posted on 07/27/2011 4:43:14 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Don't trust the F.B.I.)
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To: naturalman1975

Question #8: (T or F) Putting a shrimp on the barbie means decorating a children’s doll with prawns.


19 posted on 07/27/2011 4:45:44 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: naturalman1975
You have to be kidding me. I got all 20 questions right in five minutes.

Tells you a lot about those savages trying to become citizens...they're going to knock the collective IQ down along with buildings as well.

20 posted on 07/27/2011 4:48:17 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: OrangeHoof
Question #3: Which of the following is NOT an Australian table wine?

a. Black Stump Bordeaux
b. Sydney Syrup
c. Old Smokey 1968
d. Coq du Rod Laver 1970
e. Perth Pink
f. Melbourne Old-and-Yellow
g. Cuiver Reserve Chateau Bottled Nuit San Wagga Wagga
h. None of the above

21 posted on 07/27/2011 4:59:18 PM PDT by twister881
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To: naturalman1975

The test should be to kiss a lower case “t” and take a leak on a crescent moon windowed outhouse door.


22 posted on 07/27/2011 4:59:40 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: buccaneer81
Will the Aussies flunk you for writing "gray" instead of "grey" or "color" instead of "colour"?

It cost me points on English assignments in a Canadian high school in the late '70s.

In medical school, during the introductory classes to Physical Examination, we had a British female professor explaining how you can differentiate a "hydrocele" (fluid collection in the scrotum surrounding the testicle) from a solid tumor mass by "trans-illumination" (holding a penlight against the scrotum to see if the light shines through the fluid or is blocked by the solid mass).

< British accent> "So, you hold the scrotal mass between your fingers and then you trans-illuminate it with a torch." < /British accent>

OUCH!!!

In unison, the entire auditorium filled with 22 year old American medical students roared with laughter.

The more she scolded us for being immature about laughing at "holding a scrotal mass" the more the class laughed.

The more she blushed and turned beet red, the louder the class laughed.

Finally, somebody had mercy on her an explained to her what "torch" means in "American".


23 posted on 07/27/2011 5:05:26 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Will the Aussies flunk you for writing "gray" instead of "grey" or "color" instead of "colour"?

Speaking as an Australian teacher, no. We are expected to teach the traditional British English spellings by default, but we accept legitimate variations from other common forms of English - most notably American English - as being correct as well. I will use 'colour' in the classroom but 'color' is an acceptable altenative in students work. Some words have more than one correct spelling.

24 posted on 07/27/2011 5:08:27 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: OrangeHoof
Question #68: What are the names of the Philosophy Department faculty at the University of Walamaloo?

a. Bruce
b. Bruce
c. Bruce
d. Michael
e. Bruce
f. a, b, c, and e only
g. a and c only
h. d only
i. All of the above

25 posted on 07/27/2011 5:10:45 PM PDT by twister881
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To: twister881

What about Hobart Muddy?


26 posted on 07/27/2011 5:16:04 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Polybius

LOL!


27 posted on 07/27/2011 5:28:52 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Polybius

Sometimes it can have even more serious repercussions. In the Canadian Maritimes, a “case” of beer is 12 bottles. To get 24, you need to ask for a “flat” or a “twofour.”


28 posted on 07/27/2011 5:32:30 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: naturalman1975

No assimilation = No citizenship. Really simple concept.


29 posted on 07/27/2011 6:05:14 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: naturalman1975
I was on an assignment at SHAPE (Belgium) in the early 90's. The Belgians had an anti-drunk driving ad campaign going on billboards along the highway. The signs were in French. I didn't have a French-English dictionary handy, so I picked one up in the convenience store next to the cafeteria and tossed it into my backpack. When I returned to the hotel from a day at work, I pulled my new dictionary and proceeded to look up an unfamiliar French word. The English definition was "bloke". Oh crap. Now I need an English to American English dictionary too.
30 posted on 07/27/2011 6:23:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: buccaneer81
My dad went to dinner with another American naval officer while visiting an Australian port. His buddy summoned a waitress and requested a "napkin". She turned beet red and ran off. He wondered what manner of offense he had committed. He was informed that he should have requested a "serviette". The item he requested was appropriate for use in the ladies room.
31 posted on 07/27/2011 6:27:45 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

My Canadian girlfriend would come to a McDonalds down here and ask “Have you a serviette?” followed by an entirely blank stare.


32 posted on 07/27/2011 6:33:55 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: steve86
The misunderstanding runs both ways. If you're in Idaho or Utah, ask for "fry sauce". You'll be presented with essentially thousand island dressing sans the pickle bits. Ask the same question in San Diego and you'll get a blank stare.

My dad ordered a martini at a bar in Georgia. The bartender asked him, "With or without?". He asked, "With or without what?"....GRITS! The U.S. is so big we have regional vocabulary and customs that don't translate in a homogeneous fashion within our own country.

33 posted on 07/27/2011 7:01:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Yeah, in the “Have you a serviette?” case the employee was both unfamiliar with the word and puzzled by the grammar.

Here, older people like me know what “fry sauce” was from the old Arctic Circle chain. I fondly remember the taste. Oh wait, Dairy Queen still has it. Not sure whether it is the same ingredients as yours.

Don’t get me started on soda vs. pop. Just so it isn’t Pepsi.


34 posted on 07/27/2011 7:16:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Myrddin

That was exactly the same case in Canada 35 years ago.


35 posted on 07/27/2011 7:32:55 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: naturalman1975; All
I got 20 out of 20 on their linked practice test.

If I can do it, it's hard to imagine someone eager to become a citizen can't. This is just B.S.

It's the same multicultural balkanization "sensitivity" that is destroying in the U.S. and Europe.

Hold the line, Australia!

36 posted on 07/27/2011 9:36:40 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: twister881

Rule #1 No poofters.
Rule #2 No member of the faculty is to maltreat the “Abos” in any way whatsoever—if there’s anyone watching.
Rule #3No poofters.
Rule #4 I don’t want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out.
Rule #5 No poofters.
Rule #6 There is no... rule six.
Rule #7 No poofters.


37 posted on 07/27/2011 9:42:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: naturalman1975

How many slabs fit in the back of a ute?

How many stubbies did Boonie down as a record on his flight between Aus and Pomleterre for one Ashes?

...

That kind of citizenship test?


38 posted on 07/27/2011 9:59:39 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

How many points is a ‘behind’ in Australian Rules Football?


39 posted on 07/27/2011 10:06:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Haha, just ask me rugby league questions.


40 posted on 07/27/2011 10:07:23 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: dfwgator

But... 1.


41 posted on 07/27/2011 10:19:25 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Polybius

Just sit there and be quiet while I and this crowd of medical students shine a flashlight on your package and examine it in the dark...

Great story, btw.


42 posted on 07/27/2011 10:21:17 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: steve86

Arctic Circle was still in business in Pocatello last time I was home. I’ll check again on my visit home in a couple weeks.


43 posted on 07/28/2011 12:31:30 AM PDT by Myrddin
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