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Requiring immigrants to speak English 'breaches human rights,'
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 27 July, 2011 | NA

Posted on 07/27/2011 7:09:43 PM PDT by marktwain

A new immigration rule requiring people to be able to speak English to move to the UK to be with their spouse is a breach of human rights, a court heard today.

A couple have launched a judicial review at the High Court to challenge the rule, which they claim contravenes their rights to a family life, their right to marry and constitutes discrimination.

British citizen Rashida Chapti, 54, and husband Vali Chapti, 57, are applying for him to join her in the UK.

The couple have been married for 37 years and have six children together. Mr Chapti is an Indian national and does not speak, read or write English.

Mrs Chapti has reportedly been travelling between India and Leicester for around 15 years but has now applied for her husband to come and live in the UK with her.

But under new immigration rules announced by Home Secretary Theresa May in June 2010, he cannot do so due to a new English language requirement for migrants applying to come or stay in the UK as a spouse. Decision: Theresa May made the ruling that migrants applying to stay in the UK must learn English during June 2010

Decision: Theresa May made the ruling that migrants applying to stay in the UK must learn English during June 2010

The rule, which came into force in November last year, is thought to be part of the Government's pledge to reduce net migration.

But the Chaptis, along with two other couples, have launched proceedings to contest it.

At the High Court sitting in Birmingham, Manjit Gill QC, representing the couple, told the court the requirement was a breach of their human rights.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aliens; banglist; english; immigration; uk
The EU has become a disaster.
1 posted on 07/27/2011 7:09:49 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

And we aren’t far behind either!


2 posted on 07/27/2011 7:12:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: marktwain

>The couple have been married for 37 years and have six children together. Mr Chapti is an Indian national and does not speak, read or write English. <

Replace Indian’ with mexican’ and it mirrors our own foreign leeches in this country.


3 posted on 07/27/2011 7:13:22 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: kcvl

Heh...was going to say the same thing...


4 posted on 07/27/2011 7:13:43 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: marktwain

It is difficult for those of us who are older, born during WW2, and served later in life in our military, to have a vision of a Europe that has lost all respect at all levels.

We so admired the superb leadership, especially in the UK. Such great allies and friends. Even France was once worth fighting to save. My father thought so, and gave his life for it -— and now what does his ghost see?

A liberal crap pile or mindless socialists who have let their countries fall apart and become overrun by the worst enemy of the Western world. And now he sees his own country headed that way.

Truly this is a nightmare never imagined.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 7:14:35 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Deagle

I encounter Canadians all the time and they have all had the courtesy to learn english.


6 posted on 07/27/2011 7:15:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: marktwain

This despite the fact that English is the lingua franca in India, as well as the language of education and commerce there. Ergo, I suspect the point of this case is to force anti-acculturation legislation.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 7:15:40 PM PDT by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: marktwain

In this country, I’ve always thought that paying illegal immigrants in dollars instead of pesos was also a “breach” of their “civil rights”.


8 posted on 07/27/2011 7:19:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, but they spell funny and have that zed thingy.....m


9 posted on 07/27/2011 7:19:25 PM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: marktwain
Requiring immigrants to speak English 'breaches human rights

But requiring tax payers to fund multi-lingual education and print signs/forms in 27 languages is just fine!

10 posted on 07/27/2011 7:21:06 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: Red Badger

They are kinda greedy with the letter U.

Damned icebacks.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 7:21:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: marktwain

So it’s a “human right” to live wherever you want but not have to learn the language.

Then why should I have to obey their laws? Or fumble with the immigration paperwork? It’s my right dammit to live where I want and with whom I want.


12 posted on 07/27/2011 7:21:24 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Now that Weiner's gone . .time to get wid of Fwank)
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To: sthguard

And what other laws would they object to?

Considering the caste system in India, I find it rather hypocritical to complain about a breech of human rights.


13 posted on 07/27/2011 7:21:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: marktwain

yes.


14 posted on 07/27/2011 7:23:20 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: DesertSapper

Local teachers were scrambling for stimulus funds to hire bilingual teachers. They said that non english speaking students had increased by more than 50% over the last decade.


15 posted on 07/27/2011 7:23:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

Wouldn’t you learn another language, if it meant being together with your wife?


16 posted on 07/27/2011 7:23:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: marktwain
Muzzies keep them out. He wants to glom onto British health care and welfare and bring their children over
Immigration: ban on husband who cannot speak English is a breach of human rights, court told
Rashida Chapti said her husband was too old to learn English

17 posted on 07/27/2011 7:25:08 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: UCANSEE2

I wouldn’t marry someone I couldn’t communicate with.

The only way I see something like that happening is mail order brides.


18 posted on 07/27/2011 7:26:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: marktwain
I've lived a total of 17 years in two Asian countries and one non-English speaking European country. At NO point did I EVER expect ANY of the locals to converse with me in my native language - English. Also, if I'd had desired to become a permanent resident or citizen, I would have learned their languages even more thoroughly.

Note to all immigrants: If you didn't take a country by military force, you do not have a say in what language they speak or require immigrants to speak. Now shut-the-hades-up or go back to your native country. (that goes for you ex-pat Americans in foreign countries too!)

19 posted on 07/27/2011 7:29:26 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: marktwain
Requiring immigrants to speak English 'breaches human rights,' is only common sense.
20 posted on 07/27/2011 7:30:54 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: marktwain

It seems to me that if she has been commuting between India and England for 15 years, and has presumably learned English, that she would have realized that her husband would prosper better in England if he could communicate reasonably in English. 15 years is a long time, they’ve had plenty of time to think this through. No sympathy, unless he’s mentally disabled or something that really does prevent him from learning a language, and it does not appear that’s their argument.


21 posted on 07/27/2011 7:32:04 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: cripplecreek
I encounter Canadians all the time and they have all had the courtesy to learn english.

That's more than most Cajuns will do.

;-)

22 posted on 07/27/2011 7:32:44 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: max americana
Back when America was serious about its nationhood we had waves of immigrants, and settlement houses and night classes in every city to teach them English as soon as they got here.
23 posted on 07/27/2011 7:35:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: sthguard

No, Some percentage of Indians can speak or read English, majority can read or write in local language. Literacy rate is 60% + in India.


24 posted on 07/27/2011 7:38:16 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: marktwain
It's a violation of the human rights of the natives to bring in people who won't learn the language ~ if they intend to stay there for many years.

People who do not speak the common tongue cannot hear your call for "Help!" in an emergency for example.

A pantomine world is far more dangerous than one where other humans can be expected to communicate effectively with others.

25 posted on 07/27/2011 7:38:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dennisw

Rashida Chapti - Muslim name, must be Madarsa educated.


26 posted on 07/27/2011 7:40:47 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: Grizzled Bear
Canjuns were, for the most part, here LONG before just about anybody but the Indians and my own ancestors.

The first settlement site in Acadia (Bar Harbor) dates from 1598. That's the same year Santa Fe was settled. Jamestown comes a decade later, and New York and New England over two decades later. New Sweden is 1638, and so on.

The Cajuns date from 1598 ~ although the formal establishment of the colony had to be restarted in 1628 by Madame Guercherville (there were some bad winters in between, a minor war with an Englishman with a Spanish surname ~ same's as a later Governor of San Francisco mission.

So what is it you think the Cajuns should do? I'm very curious (BTW, I've spent a lot of time studying Spanish, French and Latin, lesser time with Ladino, and a fair amount of time with Old West Gothic. Those are the languages you need to study documents left behind by the original European settlers in America. English and German come a bit later!

27 posted on 07/27/2011 7:47:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

Heh...good thing, that it is the native language for most of Canada... Now the French territories, maybe not so much (They seem to be fighting that today - long live the French, the heck with English - and sometimes I don’t blame them).


28 posted on 07/27/2011 7:48:56 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: muawiyah

Jeesh! Lighten up, Francis! It was a joke!

My first duty station was in Louisiana and I’ve found that Cajuns are some really cool people. You’ve got to admit, what they speak isn’t quite English!


29 posted on 07/27/2011 7:49:44 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
There are actually SEVERAL French sounding languages that are spoken in Souf' Lawzian. At least two of them are considered Creoles ~ or combinations of two or more languages. One is a blend of Spanish and French, and another is a blend of French and English.

It's that particular Creole that most folks run into.

The French government has provided professional French language instruction in the French speaking areas for people who are interested in that. I don't know how it's turning out.

30 posted on 07/27/2011 7:54:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dayglored
It seems to me that if she has been commuting between India and England for 15 years, and has presumably learned English, that she would have realized that her husband would prosper better in England if he could communicate reasonably in English. 15 years is a long time, they’ve had plenty of time to think this through. No sympathy, unless he’s mentally disabled or something that really does prevent him from learning a language, and it does not appear that’s their argument.

This is likely a deliberate test case, designed to be as sympathetic as they can make it. I wonder if they are muslims? This could be a bit of "lawfare" (war by using our western laws against the west) to insure that colonization of the west can easily continue.

31 posted on 07/27/2011 8:03:26 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This is BS


32 posted on 07/27/2011 8:07:58 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: marktwain

You wanna “breach” human rights? Let people immigrate and keep them from learning the local language. It’s a guarantee that they will be stuck as a second-class citizen for the rest of their lives.

Immigrants ~must~ learn the local language for their ~own~ benefit. To allow otherwise is just disguising racism as “multiculturalism”. It’s not doing anybody any favors.


33 posted on 07/27/2011 8:20:30 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: marktwain

Immigrants are welcome to prove competency in English, Welsh or Scottish Gaelic. See how humane? Three options! I personally suggest English as Welsh looks like someone threw a bunch of letters into a bag and pulled them out at random to create a word. No offense to the Welsh.


34 posted on 07/27/2011 8:30:42 PM PDT by NikkiB
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To: A_Former_Democrat
So it’s a “human right” to live wherever you want but not have to learn the language.

The issue in this case is not "learning" the language.

The ruling in this case requires every immigrant to have already learned the language before they ever set foot in the country. ..... Even if they had been married to a legal British resident for over 30 years.

In my own family, that would not have been a problem. My grandfather earned a doctorate degree from an American university in 1907 and every adult in my family studied in the U.S. and was perfectly fluent in English before they ever came to the U.S. as refugees from Castro's Cuba in 1960.

However, how many Americans can say that their immigrant ancestors could already speak English when they set foot on Ellis Island in the late 19th Century or the early 20th Century?

Unless they were Irish or British, very few, I would guess.

By the criteria now in place in the U.K. because of this ruling, the vast majority of the immigrant ancestors of just about every American with Polish, German, French, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Italian, Russian, Jewish, Dutch, Greek, Swiss or Austro-Hungarian ancestry would have been denied entry into the U.S.


"My German-Swiss father, William Rickenbacker, did not know how to already speak English before he came to the U.S."


"My German grandfather, Charles Henry Nimitz, did not know how to already speak English before he came to the U.S."


"My Italian father, Giuseppe DiMaggio, did not know how to already speak English before he came to the U.S."


Did one of your ancestors come through Ellis Island? Did they already speak English before he/she came to the U.S.?

35 posted on 07/27/2011 8:33:42 PM PDT by Polybius
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I like this. If they didn’t require this, then they would be suing that every business they went in didn’t “provide” service in their native language at the expense of the business owner. This would be a civil right to have translation provided.

So many slippery slopes we are sliding down.


36 posted on 07/27/2011 9:10:17 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Polybius
100% Irrelevant.

There are 312 million in the United States today. It was 63 million when Ellis Island opened, just 20% of today's population.

We should NOT be held hostage to immigration policies of the 19th century.

Similiarly, all nations should evaluate immigration policy on their current circumstances and with an eye towards their future.

There's between 500 million and 1.8 billion first or second language English speakers in the world.

That's a HUGE pool upon which to draw.

37 posted on 07/27/2011 10:35:13 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1
I like this. If they didn’t require this, then they would be suing that every business they went in didn’t “provide” service in their native language at the expense of the business owner. This would be a civil right to have translation provided.

In other words the UK would become like California.

38 posted on 07/27/2011 10:38:04 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: muawiyah
People who do not speak the common tongue cannot hear your call for "Help!" in an emergency for example.

There are many things that they can't do. For more examples:

In other words they will be forever foreigners in their adopted country, limited to their own language group and perhaps to a few blocks of a city. I guess they can physically exist like that for a while, but it's not a good life. It's more like a prison.

39 posted on 07/28/2011 12:29:36 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: marktwain

Proud Britannia, fought the world’s greatest threat and won, only to hand over their nation to multiculturism...


40 posted on 07/28/2011 5:42:32 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Pledges, Patriots, Prayers, and Palin.)
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To: marktwain

Anymore everything in the U.K. ‘breaches human rights,’
for anything anybody does.The criminals over there use ‘breaches human rights,they run the country and we are not far behind. The illegals here are already doing this and it will only get worse


41 posted on 07/28/2011 9:26:42 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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