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Has Boehner's Plan Been Made Public
7/28/2011 | vbmoneyspender

Posted on 07/28/2011 9:02:14 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender

I've looked for the plan but can't find it. Has Boehner's plan been made public so that interested citizens can read it before it is voted on today?


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1 posted on 07/28/2011 9:02:18 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
Has Boehner's plan been made public so that interested citizens can read it before it is voted on today?

Of course not. That would ruin the surprise.

I tried to find it as well. All you can find are outsiders giving very vague numbers that seem to be changing all the time. This smells of the ol' Pelosi concept that we won't know what is in it till it passes.

2 posted on 07/28/2011 9:08:47 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Why should the serfs read it when the lords can’t be bothered to do so before the vote?


3 posted on 07/28/2011 9:11:03 AM PDT by bgill
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To: vbmoneyspender

Yes, you can read it anywhere you see a blank white flag.


4 posted on 07/28/2011 9:11:03 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: vbmoneyspender; All
From the Speaker's website

BREAKING: Independent CBO Confirms Spending Cuts Exceed Debt Limit Hike in Revised GOP Plan; Bill Now Includes $22 Billion in Deficit Reduction in First Year

Posted by Speaker Boehner's Press Office on July 27, 2011

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has released its analysis of the revised Budget Control Act of 2011 today, and CBO’s analysis confirms that the spending cuts are greater than the debt hike – affirming that the House GOP bill meets the critical test House Republicans have said they will insist upon for any bill to raise the nation’s debt ceiling. Specifically, the CBO analysis confirms the Republican plan will:

Republicans adjusted their spending cut bill after a lower-than-expected score from CBO. This updated analysis confirms what others are saying: the Republican plan “changes the trajectory of spending” and “would keep the debt cutting process going.” Unlike Senator Reid’s gimmick-filled plan, the Republican proposal includes real spending cuts and reforms that will restrain future spending – and the spending cuts are larger than the debt limit increase.

This bill is far from perfect, but it’s a positive step forward that denies President the $2.4 trillion blank check that lets him continue his spending binge through the next election. Learn more about it here.Also:

New analysis by the House Budget Committee shows the GOP Budget Control Act achieves roughly 66 percent of the discretionary spending cuts in the House-passed budget. The GOP bill cuts and caps spending by $917 billion over 10 years – $22 billion in FY2012 alone – and will prevent a national default that would hurt private-sector job growth. It also keeps the focus on cutting spending, requiring a plan by December that cuts at least $1.8 trillion more. See the chart below from the Budget Committee:

5 posted on 07/28/2011 9:12:34 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Did you bother try find obama’s plan and if you did and found it, how about posting it here.


6 posted on 07/28/2011 9:14:47 AM PDT by RetSignman (It's Summertime...the "Goebbles Warmers" are back from hibernation.)
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To: newzjunkey

All I see there are summaries and analyses. Where can I read the actual bill.


7 posted on 07/28/2011 9:15:46 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

More info here:

http://budget.house.gov/BudgetControlAct2011/


8 posted on 07/28/2011 9:16:02 AM PDT by Heartlander2
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To: Founding Father

LOL


9 posted on 07/28/2011 9:16:49 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: newzjunkey
All of this seems so weak.. when the fact is.... if you spent $100 million A DAY towards debt reduction it would take 389 years to pay it off.

Weak, weak, weak. Kick the can some more.

10 posted on 07/28/2011 9:17:06 AM PDT by BigFinn (EYP=Eat Your Peas)
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To: vbmoneyspender; All
New version CBO scoring (PDF)
11 posted on 07/28/2011 9:17:26 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Shhhhh!

No.

They will need to pass it to find out what is in it.


12 posted on 07/28/2011 9:17:45 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Heartlander2

That’s a summary - not the actual bill.


13 posted on 07/28/2011 9:17:45 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

I understand that; I’m looking for it.


14 posted on 07/28/2011 9:18:44 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: newzjunkey
What I am looking for is the actual fine print as opposed to a summary or analysis.
15 posted on 07/28/2011 9:21:18 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

I’m reading it now in my hobbit hole.


16 posted on 07/28/2011 9:25:32 AM PDT by OLDCU
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To: vbmoneyspender
Once they make the text of the bill available online, how are they going to comply with this Read the Bill pledge:

We will ensure that bills are debated and discussed in the public square by publishing the text online for at least three days before coming up for a vote in the House of Representatives. No more hiding legislative language from the minority party, opponents, and the public. Legislation should be understood by all interested parties before it is voted on.

18 posted on 07/28/2011 9:26:58 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

At this point all I am concerned about is that they keep the bammy from having a campaign tool with which to demagogue the issue. We aren’t going to get anything done as long as we are only 1/3 of the government. Please work hard next year to elect GOP Senators. Don’t get too focused on the presidential race and let the Senate and House fall. We have all got to get away from our computers and work hard to save our country. It may be our last chance.


19 posted on 07/28/2011 9:27:14 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: vbmoneyspender; All
(Corrected the second link)

Current bill:

Revised Amendment to the Amendment in the Nature of a Substitute (Acrobat PDF)

Prior version the bill here, Amendment in the Nature of a Substitute (Acrobat PDF)

House Committee on Rules (S. 627)

21 posted on 07/28/2011 9:33:18 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: newzjunkey
This part of the bill says that Obama can come back in December and borrow an additional 900 billion if he has spent all of the previous money and unless Congress disapproves his request he gets the additional money. I haven't heard anyone talk about that.

Sec. 301. Debt Ceiling Disapproval Process.

This section adds a new section after 31 U.S.C. 3101 providing for modification of the debt ceiling by the President and a process for the Congress to disapprove of those modifications. The new section provides that if the President submits a written certification to Congress by December 31, 2011 that the debt is within $100 billion of the debt limit, the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to borrow an additional $900 billion, subject to the enactment of a joint resolution of disapproval. Upon submission of the certification, the debt limit is increased by $400 billion.

The section authorizes the Congress to consider a joint resolution of disapproval subject to the procedures of this section. If Congress fails to enact the joint resolution, the debt limit is increased by an additional $500 billion.

22 posted on 07/28/2011 9:39:46 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

Given that the CBO scored the original bill as having only 1 billion in cuts in the first year, I don’t understand how there is supposed to be $20 billion in savings for the first year of the amended bill given that the amendment doesn’t identify any cuts whatsoever. Looks like more accounting gimmickry.


23 posted on 07/28/2011 9:45:02 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: RetSignman

There is only one plan. Cut Cap and Balance. The Senate has nothing on paper, Obummer has nothing and I can’t find this hybrid thing Boner if forcing the House GOP to vote on. Have you found anything other than CC&B?


24 posted on 07/28/2011 9:49:32 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: newzjunkey; All
By the way, thanks for finding and posting the Bill and amendment.

Here are the sum total of the cuts contained in the bill. To summarize, the ONLY federal spending that is being cut in the bill is a change to how Pell Grants are handled. Amazing.

TITLE V—PELL GRANT AND STUDENT LOAN PROGRAM CHANGES

Sec. 501. Federal Pell Grants.

This section provides $17 billion in mandatory funds over two years to help fill the funding gap in the Federal Pell Grant program.

Sec. 502. Termination of Authority to Make Interest Subsidized Loans to Graduate and Professional Students.

This section eliminates the ability of graduate and professional students to take out subsidized Stafford loans, beginning on July 1, 2012. This elimination does not apply to students enrolled in a program leading up to a degree or certificate or students enrolled in a program necessary for a teaching credential or certification where such credential or certification is required by the state.

Sec. 503. Termination of Direct Loan Repayment Incentives.

This section sunsets the Secretary of Education’s authority to provide incentives for on-time repayment of students loans on July 1, 2012. This section also explicitly prohibits the Secretary of Education from creating any incentives for on-time repayment of student loans.

Sec. 504. Inapplicability of Title IV Negotiated Rulemaking and Master Calendar Exception.

This section clarifies that the negotiated rulemaking requirement included in Title IV and the master calendar requirements to not apply to the changes made in this Act.

25 posted on 07/28/2011 9:52:07 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
the biggest secret of all... NO DEBT LIMIT increase "IS" a balanced budget DEAL.....
26 posted on 07/28/2011 10:01:23 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: vbmoneyspender

That’s the first debt raise- it reads “BY December 31, 2011”. Of course Obama won’t wait that long LOL!

The second 1.6 Billion raise”

“... the Secretary of
the Treasury may exercise authority to borrow
an additional amount equal to
$1,600,000,000,000 if the amount of deficit re
duction achieved pursuant to the enactment of
the joint committee bill as set forth pursuant to
section 401(b)(3) of the Budget Control Act of
2011 is greater than $1,600,000,000,000, sub
ject to the enactment of a joint resolution of
disapproval enacted pursuant to this section.”

Their explanation:
“authorizes the Secretary to borrow an additional amount
equal to $1.6 trillion, subject to Presidential certification and Congressional
disapproval, if the amount of deficit reduction achieved pursuant to the creation of
the joint committee in title IV of the bill is greater than $1.6 trillion.”

(I thought “enactment” refers to a bill that’s presented to the executive for signature, not one signed and ‘enacted’ into law. But that must be how it’s used here.)

So, a law must first be passed and signed reducing projected spending as much for this to be authorized.

Lot of strangeness here I’d like to hear a legislative specialist comment on.


27 posted on 07/28/2011 10:26:18 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Lazlo in PA

I have only heard snipits of the republican ‘plan’ and I don’t like what I have heard.

This whole debate over this ‘manufactured crisis’ is one of the biggest scam ever played on our Republic. The republican’s lack the courage to put democrats on the defensive and we are the one’s who will suffer for it.

Boehner has said it’s the best they can do without controlling both houses and the presidency, well we gave them that once under the Bush administration and they failed miserably.

Then we gave them the ‘republican revolution’ in 2010 and we are now seeing them crap right in the middle of THAT.


28 posted on 07/28/2011 11:53:20 AM PDT by RetSignman (It's Summertime...the "Goebbles Warmers" are back from hibernation.)
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To: RetSignman
Boehner has said it’s the best they can do without controlling both houses and the presidency, well we gave them that once under the Bush administration and they failed miserably.

Amen Brother. The only divergence is that the Tea Party people we helped get in there are helping this from being a backroom, closed door deal. All the info we have gotten on these plans comes from these House members hitting the airwaves and sounding the alarm. Just knowing that Boner is doing doubles of Pepto for his ulcers he gets from the Tea Party people makes me smile.

29 posted on 07/28/2011 12:20:41 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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