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Rep. Hoyer endorses 14th Amendment option as a last-resort solution
The Hill ^ | 07/28/2011 | Mike Lillis

Posted on 07/28/2011 9:01:22 PM PDT by BAW

President Obama should invoke the 14th Amendment to hike the debt ceiling unilaterally as a last resort to prevent a government default, House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Thursday.

"It's arguably his power to do so," Hoyer told MSNBC.

"Very frankly, if it came down to his looking default in the eye on Tuesday or taking this action, as President Clinton said, better to take the action and find out later that perhaps he went beyond his authority but at least protected the credibility of the United States of America," he said.

The remarks align Hoyer with a number of other House Democratic leaders, who are urging Obama to invoke the Constitution to prevent a government default if Congress fails to raise the debt limit before an Aug. 2 deadline.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; debt; hoyer
The drumbeat continues . . .
1 posted on 07/28/2011 9:01:29 PM PDT by BAW
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To: BAW

judge nepolitano says there’s nothing there.

if there were, obama would have already used it.


2 posted on 07/28/2011 9:02:59 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: BAW

I think he should invoke the Tenth Amendment to balance the budget and forget about raising the debt limit.


3 posted on 07/28/2011 9:04:04 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: BAW

The shredding of the Constitution continues.

Clinton calls for “Enableing” law.


4 posted on 07/28/2011 9:04:56 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BAW

That would be grounds for impeachment.


5 posted on 07/28/2011 9:05:16 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: BAW

>> “It’s arguably his power to do so,” Hoyer told MSNBC.

It’s a living and breathing Constitution after all. /s


6 posted on 07/28/2011 9:06:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: Rational Thought
That would be grounds for impeachment

It would be. But it wont happen. Obama will not be impeached. Even if he did. What next? Impeachment means nothing now. Just another sentence in wikipedia. That's all.

Clinton was impeached. Did he step down? Nope.

We have the closest to a Chavez in the WH. The last thing he's going to do is step dowm. If anything, he'll find a way to stay in office beyond his second term.

7 posted on 07/28/2011 9:09:28 PM PDT by tsowellfan ( Obamanomic Wreckovery - How's That Change Working For Ya?)
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To: Rational Thought

I’d kinda like to see him try it. Sooner or later, they are gonna cross a line they can’t crawl back over.

Incidentally, it certainly would be grounds for impeachment — and the House MIGHT even have the guts to impeach (if they got rid of Boehner as Speaker). But does anyone REALLY believe THIS SENATE would vote to convict?!

I’ve got 2 words for ya: Snowball — Hades.


8 posted on 07/28/2011 9:11:48 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: BAW

14th Amendment sectSection 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disabilityion 3:

Obama is in rebellion against the Constitution, as are most liberals.


9 posted on 07/28/2011 9:12:29 PM PDT by mardi59 (T)
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To: BAW

Gotta make sure that crony capitalism thrives so they can keep their base alive to give them votes *shakes head*


10 posted on 07/28/2011 9:12:44 PM PDT by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: BAW

Someone comes to you and wants to borrow some money. They’ve won the lottery and he’ll pay you back when he cashes the ticket. But there’s a lawsuit over the rightful owner. Would you loan him the money?

How would obama raising the debt limit knowing the courts may rule he wasn’t allowed to do so going to help our credit limit? Plus, if the courts rule against him no bills he paid would be valid. The checks would bounce.


11 posted on 07/28/2011 9:13:59 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: BAW

Het Steny,if it’s decided Obama went beyond his constitutional authority then ANY debt acquired by the USA because of his action is null.Translation into real world:Real actual default.NO OOPS sorry. Real default!! Go for it Steny! That would take the heat off the Republians.


12 posted on 07/28/2011 9:16:34 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: tsowellfan
All good points.

What would be certain is a war between Obama and the House, which could result in the defunding of numerous Obama programs.

The Media is going to spin today as the House being threatened by some extreme group, The Tea Party, not allowing for compromise. The truth is the Democrat Party is refusing to compromise with the American People.

13 posted on 07/28/2011 9:17:23 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Terry Mross

Thank you. Good analogy.


14 posted on 07/28/2011 9:19:09 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Rational Thought
The truth is the Democrat Party is refusing to compromise with the American People.

Amen to that

15 posted on 07/28/2011 9:20:05 PM PDT by tsowellfan ( Obamanomic Wreckovery - How's That Change Working For Ya?)
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To: Rational Thought
"What would be certain is a war between Obama and the House, which could result in the defunding of numerous Obama programs."

Only if the GOP had a spine.

Not sure we've detected one yet.

16 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:05 PM PDT by daler
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To: Rational Thought
"What would be certain is a war between Obama and the House, which could result in the defunding of numerous Obama programs."

Only if the GOP had a spine.

Not sure we've detected one yet.

17 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:05 PM PDT by daler
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To: zimfam007

A strange sort of capitalism where the first recourse to competition is to go to the courts, next get congress to legislate anti- competitive regulations and finally have government make doing business so expensive that only the favored cronies who feed at the public trough can survive.


18 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:19 PM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: BAW

Far from surprising as Joyer believes the General Welfare clause permits government to force you to buy things they tell you to buy (ie health insurance).


19 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: BAW

I’m not sure why Hoyer made this statement. We’re not going to default on treasury debt or social security payments. There’s plenty of tax revenue flowing into the treasury to pay social security benefits, interest on federal debt, military pay, and to pay for critical federal departments such as the DOJ and the DOD. If we don’t reach an agreement soon, however, most of the other bureaucracies would have to shut down temporarily and payments could be delayed on defense contracts, medicaid, housing subsidies, etc.

A default on US treasury bonds is out of the question and there’s no way that could ever happen unless the White House and Treasury Dept. decided to intentionally default on our treasury debt. But the federal government could go into default on some contracts with suppliers next month, so I hope we finally get some real compromise from the democrats on long-term spending reductions and reach a deal soon on raising the debt limit.


20 posted on 07/28/2011 9:23:12 PM PDT by socialism_stinX (We need a decline of statism and a revival of individualism and personal responsibility in America.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Sorry, I had the Spanish key on. I meant Hoyer.


21 posted on 07/28/2011 9:23:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Rational Thought

” The Media is going to spin today as the House being threatened by some extreme group, The Tea Party, not allowing for compromise. “ <<<<

Some guy from Roll Call was on Greta tonight saying the polls are all over the place. The parties are held in low esteem, Obama is in trouble, and seem to indicate Republicans would get the blame, but when you broke down what the Republicans want, like balanced budget, holding spending, etc., the poll was like 76% in favor of our agenda. We may not take such as a hit as the panicking media hopes for and tries to frame.


22 posted on 07/28/2011 9:24:32 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: BAW
If we're playing Democrat, why not try this logic? Not extending the debt ceiling would make us slaves to the debt cap and the current budget. The 13th Amendment prohibits slavery, so the cap is unconstitutional. Well, that's just as valid as the 14th Amendment argument.

It's always interesting how liberals think. It's never "what is the law?"; it's always "what can I get away with?"

23 posted on 07/28/2011 9:26:17 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: socialism_stinX
I’m not sure why Hoyer made this statement

Simple. They are preparing the battlefield to rule through Executive Decree. It's called a "coup"...

24 posted on 07/28/2011 9:30:35 PM PDT by Gritty (The depraved ruling class of America cannot self-correct, and, indeed, has no desire to-Mark Steyn)
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To: tet68
Yes they are defaming that noble document. They are taking that sacred piece of parchment and wiping the evil foul butts with it.

The following from Article 14 on which they base the opinion that they can increase the debt limit via presidential edict: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Only congress can issue debt per the constitution as all spending bills are a function of the Legislature. The spending bills must be reconciled via the budget. If Congress does not budget the money, it can not be spent. The only legal obligation we must pay if for past borrowing. Any future borrowing has to be via permission of the Legislative branch.

Obama is trying to assume the power of the Executive and Legislative and Judicial, hell he already has the Judiciary via Eric Holder.

If he does this and gets away with it, we have the beginning of a new dictator ship.

25 posted on 07/28/2011 9:32:43 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: xkaydet65

Heard Steny on Stuart Anderson. He is a putz. A real zero. Spouting the demo talking points. No plan, but sure has the talking points down pat.


26 posted on 07/28/2011 9:32:58 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Gritty
Mr. Hoyer should be arrested for attempting a coup.
TWB
27 posted on 07/28/2011 9:33:17 PM PDT by TWhiteBear (Jobs, Peace, Food, Security .... Down with Obama(Peacefully))
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To: Gritty

That’s highly unlikely because raising the debt limit through an executive order would not go over well with most of the public and that would do a lot of political damage to the democrats.


28 posted on 07/28/2011 9:33:33 PM PDT by socialism_stinX (We need a decline of statism and a revival of individualism and personal responsibility in America.)
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To: daler

Today looks to be an indicator part of the House does have a spine.


29 posted on 07/28/2011 9:37:03 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: cpdiii

any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

I’ve often wondered if this didn’t preclude the calls for
black retrobution.


30 posted on 07/28/2011 9:41:00 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BAW
If Stimpy H. speaks is there anyone listening?

Doubt it.


31 posted on 07/28/2011 9:41:31 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: BAW

Democrats citing the 14th Amendment? HAHAHA, now that’s funny. Democrats have oppose Amendment XIV for over 140 years now.


32 posted on 07/28/2011 9:44:45 PM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: BAW

Yes, let’s make a terrible mistake now, pretend that we don’t know we’re making a mistake and damn the conseqences.


33 posted on 07/28/2011 9:47:37 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: BAW

Yes, let’s make a terrible mistake now, pretend that we don’t know we’re making a mistake and damn the conseqences.


34 posted on 07/28/2011 9:47:46 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: BAW

Hoyer is your average, typical albino jackass. Just another commie piggy trampling MY Constitution. It’s time to start throwing out these public servants who have let the power WE GAVE THEM go to their empty skulls!!!


35 posted on 07/28/2011 9:57:25 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: Gritty

This is by design. Whatever deal is struck if any is a fraud. The Bamster and his hordes with their lips firmly super glued to the government teat are driving this bus. 50% of your fellow citizens are badly educated, lazy and needy. You want relief, start thinking about secession because there are now more of them than there are of us. Barry wants blood in the streets...... he gets Marshal Law......


36 posted on 07/28/2011 10:20:45 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (The Obama beat down of America continues)
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To: BAW
President Obama should invoke the 14th Amendment to hike the debt ceiling unilaterally as a last resort to prevent a government default, House Minority Fungus Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Thursday.

(Quote slightly modified, as it's a "living, breathing" quote.)

Okay, so let's say that Mister Obama tries this, and the Supremes chime in by saying the 14th gives Obama no such power. I may not be a constitutional lawyer, but this would, indeed, rise to the level of an impeachable high crime, does it not?

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37 posted on 07/28/2011 10:21:54 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Rational Thought

For the first time since this maggot was elected, I heard Mark Levin actually mention impeachment if the marxist tries this. Usually Levin screams at anyone who brings up impeachment.


38 posted on 07/28/2011 10:59:46 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: BAW

Impeach each one who tries starting with NObama.


39 posted on 07/28/2011 11:28:03 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: socialism_stinX

Political damage to the democrats?

Dude, we are through the looking glass here. Political damage to the democrats? There is no democrats. There is no republicans.

We have a rebellion by the political criminal underclass going on here. I assure you we are way, way past anyone giving two whips to the wind about political damage.

You sir are living under tyranny!

Patriots! To arms! To arms!


40 posted on 07/28/2011 11:42:07 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: BAW
"Very frankly, if it came down to his looking default in the eye on Tuesday or taking this action, as President Clinton said, better to take the action and find out later that perhaps he went beyond his authority but at least protected the credibility of the United States of America," he said.

Then we can impeach his ash. Or if Congress won't, it's torches and pitchforks time.

41 posted on 07/28/2011 11:56:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: BAW

Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro is a criminal. He knows he is a fraud, and so do many others. This man will stop at nothing. He is evil to the core. He will bring this country to collapse. Everything he’s done is illegal; his czars, Obamacare, waivers to his financial donors, his illegal war in Libya, his illegal gun running in Mexico, etc, and now he wants to claim Constitutional power that he does not have.

The so-called “looney” Birthers do have a legitimate concern, but they have been dismissed and derided. This crook, Barry Soetoro was allowed to be sworn in and to occupy the White House without the eligibility issue having fair and open discussion, so here we are.

Since everyone is talking about using this power or that power of the Constitution to further their political gain. Why not discuss the Constitutionality of Obama’s citizenship. According to the Supreme Court Case MINOR Vs. HAPPERSETT 88 U.S.162 (1875) a “Natural-Born Citizen” is defined as being born on the soil of the U.S. of two parents born on U.S. soil. The “Natural-Born Citizen” question is not going away. We should have addressed it openly and honestly BEFORE Obama was allowed to be sworn in. But here we are. That demonic criminal is taking this nation down and nobody in Washington is going to do anything to stop him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUSSWJSeV4


42 posted on 07/29/2011 12:09:55 AM PDT by abcc2011 (Christian and conservative.)
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To: BAW
The only group protecting the credibility of the U.S. government is the group of Tea Party freshmen who are the only grownups in the room who are acting responsibly.

THE PARTY IS OVER.

43 posted on 07/29/2011 1:28:30 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority (What this country needs is an enema.)
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