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Rep. Hoyer endorses 14th Amendment option as a last-resort solution
The Hill ^ | 07/28/2011 | Mike Lillis

Posted on 07/28/2011 9:01:22 PM PDT by BAW

President Obama should invoke the 14th Amendment to hike the debt ceiling unilaterally as a last resort to prevent a government default, House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Thursday.

"It's arguably his power to do so," Hoyer told MSNBC.

"Very frankly, if it came down to his looking default in the eye on Tuesday or taking this action, as President Clinton said, better to take the action and find out later that perhaps he went beyond his authority but at least protected the credibility of the United States of America," he said.

The remarks align Hoyer with a number of other House Democratic leaders, who are urging Obama to invoke the Constitution to prevent a government default if Congress fails to raise the debt limit before an Aug. 2 deadline.

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The drumbeat continues . . .
1 posted on 07/28/2011 9:01:29 PM PDT by BAW
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To: BAW

judge nepolitano says there’s nothing there.

if there were, obama would have already used it.


2 posted on 07/28/2011 9:02:59 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: BAW

I think he should invoke the Tenth Amendment to balance the budget and forget about raising the debt limit.


3 posted on 07/28/2011 9:04:04 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: BAW

The shredding of the Constitution continues.

Clinton calls for “Enableing” law.


4 posted on 07/28/2011 9:04:56 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BAW

That would be grounds for impeachment.


5 posted on 07/28/2011 9:05:16 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: BAW

>> “It’s arguably his power to do so,” Hoyer told MSNBC.

It’s a living and breathing Constitution after all. /s


6 posted on 07/28/2011 9:06:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: Rational Thought
That would be grounds for impeachment

It would be. But it wont happen. Obama will not be impeached. Even if he did. What next? Impeachment means nothing now. Just another sentence in wikipedia. That's all.

Clinton was impeached. Did he step down? Nope.

We have the closest to a Chavez in the WH. The last thing he's going to do is step dowm. If anything, he'll find a way to stay in office beyond his second term.

7 posted on 07/28/2011 9:09:28 PM PDT by tsowellfan ( Obamanomic Wreckovery - How's That Change Working For Ya?)
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To: Rational Thought

I’d kinda like to see him try it. Sooner or later, they are gonna cross a line they can’t crawl back over.

Incidentally, it certainly would be grounds for impeachment — and the House MIGHT even have the guts to impeach (if they got rid of Boehner as Speaker). But does anyone REALLY believe THIS SENATE would vote to convict?!

I’ve got 2 words for ya: Snowball — Hades.


8 posted on 07/28/2011 9:11:48 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: BAW

14th Amendment sectSection 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disabilityion 3:

Obama is in rebellion against the Constitution, as are most liberals.


9 posted on 07/28/2011 9:12:29 PM PDT by mardi59 (T)
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To: BAW

Gotta make sure that crony capitalism thrives so they can keep their base alive to give them votes *shakes head*


10 posted on 07/28/2011 9:12:44 PM PDT by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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Someone comes to you and wants to borrow some money. They’ve won the lottery and he’ll pay you back when he cashes the ticket. But there’s a lawsuit over the rightful owner. Would you loan him the money?

How would obama raising the debt limit knowing the courts may rule he wasn’t allowed to do so going to help our credit limit? Plus, if the courts rule against him no bills he paid would be valid. The checks would bounce.


11 posted on 07/28/2011 9:13:59 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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Het Steny,if it’s decided Obama went beyond his constitutional authority then ANY debt acquired by the USA because of his action is null.Translation into real world:Real actual default.NO OOPS sorry. Real default!! Go for it Steny! That would take the heat off the Republians.


12 posted on 07/28/2011 9:16:34 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: tsowellfan
All good points.

What would be certain is a war between Obama and the House, which could result in the defunding of numerous Obama programs.

The Media is going to spin today as the House being threatened by some extreme group, The Tea Party, not allowing for compromise. The truth is the Democrat Party is refusing to compromise with the American People.

13 posted on 07/28/2011 9:17:23 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Terry Mross

Thank you. Good analogy.


14 posted on 07/28/2011 9:19:09 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Rational Thought
The truth is the Democrat Party is refusing to compromise with the American People.

Amen to that

15 posted on 07/28/2011 9:20:05 PM PDT by tsowellfan ( Obamanomic Wreckovery - How's That Change Working For Ya?)
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To: Rational Thought
"What would be certain is a war between Obama and the House, which could result in the defunding of numerous Obama programs."

Only if the GOP had a spine.

Not sure we've detected one yet.

16 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:05 PM PDT by daler
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To: Rational Thought
"What would be certain is a war between Obama and the House, which could result in the defunding of numerous Obama programs."

Only if the GOP had a spine.

Not sure we've detected one yet.

17 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:05 PM PDT by daler
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To: zimfam007

A strange sort of capitalism where the first recourse to competition is to go to the courts, next get congress to legislate anti- competitive regulations and finally have government make doing business so expensive that only the favored cronies who feed at the public trough can survive.


18 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:19 PM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: BAW

Far from surprising as Joyer believes the General Welfare clause permits government to force you to buy things they tell you to buy (ie health insurance).


19 posted on 07/28/2011 9:22:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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I’m not sure why Hoyer made this statement. We’re not going to default on treasury debt or social security payments. There’s plenty of tax revenue flowing into the treasury to pay social security benefits, interest on federal debt, military pay, and to pay for critical federal departments such as the DOJ and the DOD. If we don’t reach an agreement soon, however, most of the other bureaucracies would have to shut down temporarily and payments could be delayed on defense contracts, medicaid, housing subsidies, etc.

A default on US treasury bonds is out of the question and there’s no way that could ever happen unless the White House and Treasury Dept. decided to intentionally default on our treasury debt. But the federal government could go into default on some contracts with suppliers next month, so I hope we finally get some real compromise from the democrats on long-term spending reductions and reach a deal soon on raising the debt limit.


20 posted on 07/28/2011 9:23:12 PM PDT by socialism_stinX (We need a decline of statism and a revival of individualism and personal responsibility in America.)
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