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They've Lost That Lovin' Feeling (Peggy Noonan)
WSJ ^ | 7/29/2011 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 07/29/2011 7:06:12 AM PDT by chickadee

But that actually is not what I want to talk about. I want to talk about something that started to become apparent to me during the debt negotiations. It's something I've never seen in national politics.

It is that nobody loves Obama. This is amazing because every president has people who love him, who feel deep personal affection or connection, who have a stubborn, even beautiful refusal to let what they know are just criticisms affect their feelings of regard. At the height of Bill Clinton's troubles there were always people who'd say, "Look, I love the guy." They'd often be smiling—a wry smile, a shrugging smile. Nobody smiles when they talk about Mr. Obama. There were people who loved George W. Bush when he was at his most unpopular, and they meant it and would say it. But people aren't that way about Mr. Obama. He has supporters and bundlers and contributors, he has voters, he may win. But his support is grim support. And surely this has implications.

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To: chickadee
I never was one to follow the crowd, but, it seems to me, the easiest way to avoid reading Peggy is to not click on a thread that has her name in the title.

What fun would that be?

Actually I click on on all of the Peggy Noonan and George Will threads just to see how the Freepers are reacting to these turncoat bozos. My view: Most Freepers have figured these guys out and pretty much discount anything they write. It's not universal but it's a pretty good majority.

51 posted on 07/29/2011 7:51:07 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (w)
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To: all the best

“it is much safer to be feared than loved because ...love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.”
— Niccolò Machiavelli (The Prince)


52 posted on 07/29/2011 7:53:51 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Artemis Webb

But, I think old Peg is a good windsock in this instance. As one of the biggest Obama fawners, she is now calling him a “loser”. That alone gives this piece credibility. Notice, she is not whispering this to a friend. She has put it in print.


53 posted on 07/29/2011 7:55:29 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Malesherbes

Accurate and concise. You get two bonus points:)


54 posted on 07/29/2011 7:58:12 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Perdogg

Thank you! :)


56 posted on 07/29/2011 8:02:47 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Perry/Bachmann 2012 - they can share hair care products.)
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To: surrey; raccoonradio; Perdogg

That’s a factor for folks for sure. But IIRC, he got that in Vietnam, for which I have the most respect for.

OTOH, backing Obama in 2008? If he wasn’t a WIA vet, I’d say he belongs in a toilet.


57 posted on 07/29/2011 8:05:23 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Perry/Bachmann 2012 - they can share hair care products.)
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58 posted on 07/29/2011 8:06:42 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: definitelynotaliberal
I’ve noticed that there are a lot fewer vehicles with 0bama-Biden stickers on them in my county. I’m thinking people must have had to sell their cars. The scenery is vastly improved, of course.

The only accomplishment of the Cash for Clunkers program was to get 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road.

59 posted on 07/29/2011 8:13:09 AM PDT by T. Jefferson (Batton down the hatches, full speed in reverse)
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To: Aria
Obama has always been a loner looking for an identity and unfortunately the only thing close by for him to grab onto was marxism

And drugs.

60 posted on 07/29/2011 8:15:54 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: chickadee

I agree, chick. People who I know who loooooved Hussein are oh so quiet now. I do know one or two who got brave after Hussein’s continuation of Bush’s policies led to the death of Osama.


61 posted on 07/29/2011 8:19:00 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: chickadee
Obama has always been a loner looking for an identity and unfortunately the only thing close by for him to grab onto was marxism

I really enjoy reading Peggy. It's a somewhat perverse joy like putting a penny in a glass of Coke, eating a Milk-Bone or a spoonful of Tide.

62 posted on 07/29/2011 8:19:48 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: definitelynotaliberal
They heard him as he lead them to believe that all the white hucksters were going to be thrown out of their homes and those homes were then going to be given to them because with about 3 kids a piece, they needed 4 bedroom homes more than the people living in them in 2008 who had 2 kids and a Grand piano. And the displaced people could then go and buy or build new ones because they had the money. That is what it means to organize a community, as far as they know, and he has failed to organize it to their satisfaction.

I believe this is a correct analysis of the way those who support Obama think. This makes the entire situation VERY dangerous.

63 posted on 07/29/2011 8:23:10 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
And this is America, where nobody loves a loser.”

You put plenty of love on him, Peggy.

64 posted on 07/29/2011 8:27:20 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: chickadee

She can test her thesis by standing between Obama and Chris Matthews.


65 posted on 07/29/2011 8:27:51 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: chickadee

Peggy loved Obama up until a couple of weeks ago.


66 posted on 07/29/2011 8:31:22 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: chickadee

**** the Boehner bill on the debt ceiling because it goes in the right directions, contains spending cuts but not taxes, and is viable. ****

That is simply, factually wrong. There are no spending cuts. Period.


67 posted on 07/29/2011 8:35:17 AM PDT by DManA
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To: chickadee

I don’t know who Noonan talks with, but she’s wrong about this, as usual. My liberal facebook friends are still gushing about him and “heart”-ing him all over the place.

We need to get it through our heads: liberals will never change or see reason. They don’t want to and they fight reality. We have got to take control and crush them without their approval, understanding, or help.

Rise up, America. Wise up, America.


68 posted on 07/29/2011 8:46:55 AM PDT by Melian ("I can't spare this [wo]man; [s]he fights!" (Apologies to Abe Lincoln) Go, Sarah!)
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To: chickadee

What? Peggy had nothing snide to say about Sarah Palin?


69 posted on 07/29/2011 8:49:51 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Recovering_Democrat

“Yeah, but Hussein IS a socialist.”

and an alien!


70 posted on 07/29/2011 8:56:31 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Melian
My liberal facebook friends

Are they really your friends?

71 posted on 07/29/2011 8:59:31 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: chickadee

I stopped reading her in 2008 after she soaked herself with excitement and slid off her lounge chair. Despite cleaning herself, she’s irrelevant.


72 posted on 07/29/2011 9:18:00 AM PDT by SanFranDan
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To: PetroniusMaximus; chickadee; CharacterCounts
"And this is America, where nobody loves a loser.”

Peggy Noonan has never been to Wrigley Field.
73 posted on 07/29/2011 9:19:42 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: chickadee

Re #53:

I don’t at all disagree with you. What frustrates me is that Noonan was so easily charmed and duped in the 2008 cycle yet refuses to even acknowledge that she was an “Obama fawner”. If she’d show a little shame or even chagrin I might be more forgiving. I will always be grateful to her for writing some of Ronald Reagan’s greatest speeches but since 2008 Peggy Noonan has been dead to me.


74 posted on 07/29/2011 9:59:38 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
"Peggy Noonan has never been to Wrigley Field."

Do they let Elitist Snots in Wrigley?

75 posted on 07/29/2011 10:01:41 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: Mamzelle
Yes.

Ms. Noonan has been a middle-aged Obama groupie and indefatigable re-worder and interpreter of Mister Obama's actual meanings and intentions since 07, and there's no calling any of this back.

She concludes her typically schizophrenic (covering her criticisms with compliments) piece by writing...

He is not a devil, an alien, a socialist. He is a loser. And this is America, where nobody loves a loser.

Ms. Noonan surely knows she's wrong about the "socialist" statement; however she has so much emotional capital invested in the man that she provides a counterexample for an article about how little emotional attachment people have w Obama.

.

76 posted on 07/29/2011 10:19:48 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Melian
My liberal facebook friends are still gushing about him and “heart”-ing him all over the place.

There's some 50th b'day nonsense on FB that I chose to visit . . . like playing with a loose tooth. About 10 'friends' faces popped up as 'liking' it. They were the same insufferable d'bags from '08 that made visits to FB unbearable.

77 posted on 07/29/2011 10:26:05 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: all the best
Unfortunately he still has way too many worshippers.

More unfortunate? He'll have EVEN MORE if the tea party blows it for the GOP this weekend.

78 posted on 07/29/2011 10:55:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (stabbing boehner, west, pence, ryan in the back will not make obama, reid cave.)
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To: Seaplaner

The only thing I’d disagree with is to point out that she is well past middle age.


79 posted on 07/29/2011 10:59:34 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: definitelynotaliberal

“he has failed to organize it to their satisfaction”

The key. When you’re dreaming of your Federal Government giving you alot of free stuff, what happens when the dream’s deferred?

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore–
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over–
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

-Langston Hughes


80 posted on 07/29/2011 11:12:22 AM PDT by flowerplough (Pelosi on Republicans: "They want to destroy food safety, clean air, clean water, ...")
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To: chickadee
The fact is, he's good at dismantling. He's good at critiquing. He's good at not being the last guy, the one you didn't like. But he's not good at building, creating, calling into being. He was good at summoning hope, but he's not good at directing it and turning it into something concrete that answers a broad public desire.

Exactly, Peggy. And he told everyone that in 2005 when he said, and I quote, "The kind of education I received makes you confident in your ability to understand problems—not necessarily to have good answers but at least understand the nature of the questions."

Barack Obama doesn't have the ability to provide solutions. He has only the ability to analyze the problem and complain about the solutions that others provide.

81 posted on 07/29/2011 11:56:09 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: chickadee
The fact is, he's good at dismantling. He's good at critiquing. He's good at not being the last guy, the one you didn't like. But he's not good at building, creating, calling into being. He was good at summoning hope, but he's not good at directing it and turning it into something concrete that answers a broad public desire.

Exactly, Peggy. And he told everyone that in 2005 when he said, and I quote, "The kind of education I received makes you confident in your ability to understand problems—not necessarily to have good answers but at least understand the nature of the questions."

Barack Obama doesn't have the ability to provide solutions. He has only the ability to analyze the problem and complain about the solutions that others provide.

82 posted on 07/29/2011 11:56:43 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: chickadee

Hey Peggy,

Barry is doing exactly what he planned to do to this

country.Many of us sounded the alarm when we first saw him

and read about his qualifications. We are not surprised at

all.

Too bad you got fooled.

P.S. There’s no Santa Clause either. Deal.


83 posted on 07/29/2011 3:25:23 PM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: chickadee
But, I think old Peg is a good windsock in this instance. As one of the biggest Obama fawners, she is now calling him a “loser”.

Peggy Windsock. I like it.

84 posted on 07/29/2011 3:29:51 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Mamzelle
I remember when you were swooning like a bobby-soxer over The Guy With So Many Teeth.

At that time, you were probably so buzzed with booze and 'bama that you didn't notice that there were no long-term friends of Obama, no girlfriends, nobody who could even remember him from Columbia. We out in Flyover noticed and knew. No proud professors. No affectionate neighbors. His only friend, Jarrett, seems to function as a kind of nanny.

Nothing but an endless line of grifters who held the next door open for The Guy With So Many Teeth.

Posting this to you will serve to remind me that I, once again, read a Peggy Noonan article, but, it was worth it to post this: You write well. Keep it up.

TS

85 posted on 07/29/2011 3:30:22 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: chickadee

Some good lines in her article. Still, hard to take her seriously when, during Obama’a campaign, she experienced the female equivalent to Matthews’ “tingle up his leg”.

Now this? What... did she go on the wagon or something?


86 posted on 07/30/2011 4:51:20 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

I had one of those “grim” Obama supporter incidents again yesterday. Obama’s name came up and the lib said, “who else would you want to be President” (as if PeeWee Herman couldn’t do a better job, lol.) Since the person was cranky and on the verge of rage, I let the matter drop.


87 posted on 07/30/2011 6:18:01 AM PDT by chickadee
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