Skip to comments.The birth certificate please! Subpoena to be delivered
Posted on 07/29/2011 7:33:04 AM PDT by RobinMasters
Attorney, doc experts to show up at Hawaii Department of Health with court document
Computer scanning expert Doug Vogt and typesetting expert Paul Irey say they will accompany attorney Orly Taitz when she presents to the Hawaii Department of Health a subpoena that should allow her to examine Barack Obama's original 1961 typewritten birth certificate.
Vogt and Irey both told WND they are making travel plans to join Taitz in Honolulu when she goes to the state agency at 10 a.m. on Monday, Aug. 8, to present the subpoena in person.
"We will plan to hold a press conference late in the day of Aug. 8," Vogt said, "and if the document we see varies from the birth certificate documents the White House released, we plan to file criminal charges in Hawaii immediately."
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Vogt shared with WND a copy of a letter he has written to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, putting Louie on notice regarding the reasons he believes the birth certificate released by the White House is fraudulent.
WND previously reported on Vogt's decision to file a 22-page criminal complaint with the FBI.
Irey says it won't take long to evaluate the original birth record, if it exists.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
So what happens if the original doesn’t exist?
I wish this would go somewhere. But I fear it won’t.
As I will forget about it by Aug 8th, me hopes someone will keep us abreast.
Wonder what will happen when it is refused...by what authority is the subpoena?
What is wrong with exposing this? This phony document would really expose Obama considering the coverage it has during the Trump days.
Taitz finally found an honest judge in the Federal court system. There may be others but Lamberth is as straight-arrow as they come. And the subpoena looks legit.
They will be turned away and not allowed to view squat.
I don’t care if the subpoena came from SCOTUS itself...
Obama can simply claim executive privilege.
Obama has made it clear that even the constitution is irrelevant, and has already ignored federal court rulings and orders.... but nobody does anything about it.
“As displayed on her website, the July 5 subpoena granted Taitz by the U.S. District Court for the District of Hawaii allows her to examine the original 1961 Obama birth certificate on Aug. 8 at 10 a.m.:”
“Taitz said the judge’s ruling moved the case into the discovery phase, in which she can issue subpoenas to those holding documentation she is seeking.”
Is she correct?
Actually, not really.
Since Obama has already released his birth certificate he can’t claim privacy rights or executive privilege for something that is already public.
Actually, not really.
Since Obama has already released his birth certificate he can’t claim privacy rights or executive privilege for something that is already public. That was the argument made to Lamberth!!!!!
“We want to see the birth certificate.”
I understand Gitmo is still open.
“and if the document we see
“IF”.... the key word as I doubt they will see any documents being in the possession of the State.
Why did they announce they will accompany Orly? HDOH will now find a reason to waste their travel expenses and say ha ha.
Never tell the enemy your plans.
IF they’re allowed to see anything, HI will trot out either Fraud COLB I or Fraud COLB II, and Big Media will do the Nelson dance (Ha Ha).
A MUCH newsier and more relate-worthy endeavor is the pursuit of Obama's full, complete, and unexpurgated collegiate transcripts.
We must insist that all GOP candidates voluntarily show their transcripts; and,
...that THEY demand the same of Mister Obama (who it would seem is hiding something pretty big.)
Hawaii will not let them see it.
They cannot afford to admit that they are complicit in this fraud.
The records will be sought but will not be found.
Hawaii will claim that the records have been stolen.
It has been my opinion from the start that the President attended College as a foreigner, regardless of whether he was born in the United States or not. Those who chase the birth certificate might be right about it being a fraud, but that focus allows the Pres. to continually stall those who chase. The fraud he’s covering has to do with his collge years. Either he lied to get aid as a foreign student, or he was a foreigner as per his adoption by Lolo Soetoro who never re-applied for US citizenship upon his return from Indonesia.
This is having to do with the Social Security Number case that Taitz has filed in Washington, DC.
1) Since when did "African" become a "race?" In the time that the BC was issued we had the Caucasian race, the Indian race, the Oriental race, the Negro race (which became called the Black race in the late '60's), the Jewish race, etc. The word Black, and previously Negroid, were the common terms used then. There was no PC issue about calling people of brown or black skin " Africans" (as in African Americans) until much later. Many of that color skin are from other locations anyway...islands, for example. So how can Obama's BC state "African" race when that term was not used when he was born. I would like to have it compaired with other Blacks born in Hawaii during the same year to see how their race is listed.
Besides "Africa" is a continent anyway, not a country and there are many people there of different races, including Caucasians, Orientals, etc. Stating "African" as a race on a BC would be like putting "American" as the race of a white person born in Kansas, USA. American might be a person's country, but Caucasion is the race. It appears to me that issue alone could prove that Obama's BC is a fraud.
)Then there is the issue that Kenya was not a country the year Obama was born, and Kenya is listed as his father's place of origin. Kenya did not become a country until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".
3)Regarding the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
The Democrats start sh*tting bricks. The Knee Jerk Reactionary Republicans/Conservatives that have spent the last 2 years shouting us down end up with egg on their face and have to eat crow. "Birthers" are vindicated.
Even if one is found to exist, it still does not obviate the fact that too many people accepted these claims with far too little scrutiny.
On August 5th, under emergency session, The Hawaii legislature will declare, and Gov. Abercormbie will sign legislation proclaiming August 8th a Hawaii state holiday. All offices will be closed.
I think you are exactly right.
Wouldn’t it be necessary to prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii before anything could really happen?
Not only is that completely false, it doesn't magically change Hawaii's policy regarding release of documents.
Your question presupposes accuracy on the part of the person filling out the birth information. *IF* the long form we've seen is actually the original birth certificate for Obama, it is readily apparent to me that Barack Obama Sr. was no where near the document when it got filled out. Instead, it is highly likely that Stanley Ann was the person that wrote his name and information on the paperwork. That Stanley Ann may have made some mistakes or had bad information is not remarkable to me.
2)Then there is the issue that Kenya was not a country the year Obama was born, and Kenya is listed as his father's place of origin.
That is likewise not remarkable. The Name "Kenya" was used all over that region for something like a Century before 1961. I believe the region is named for mount Kenya. The people of the region have called it Kenya long before it became it's own country. Stanley Ann, (who probably never heard of Kenya prior to meeting Barack) simply wrote down what Barack had told her previously.
3)Regarding the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
The problem with this theory is that the Nordyke Birth Certificate uses the exact same name of the Hospital as does the Obama certificate. Whatever the claim is regarding when the Hospital was called what, the fact that a Genuine 1961 birth certificate uses that exact name trumps all theories that it shouldn't.
I believe you just exposed the Nordyke birth certificates as forgeries.
No, it's true. I got the same chain email.
Not at all. The Sh*t storm would start the instant it is learned that there is something wrong with what ought to have been an ordinary and straightforward document. If his current document is based on anything other than an actual Hospital generated birth certificate, it will confirm that this needed to be looked at with a less cavalier attitude years ago.
If that document shows any funny business, it would cause a lot more people to question his eligibility. If enough people do it, his Presidency might be revoked. If he is not born in Hawaii as he has continuously asserted for the last several years, he is political toast, and he may be legal toast as well.
Enlighten us. Why is this false?
You underestimate the power of a Federal Judge. If they can order Statewide Busing, they can order the state to allow an examination of their documents by a litigant. If cooperation isn't forth coming, the Judge could order Federal Marshals to start arresting DOH employees till someone complies.
Hawaii's laws regarding this issue will mean what they have always meant regarding a Federal Issue of Constitutional Law; SQUAT!
I've thought along those lines, also. Why not supoena his college records, financial aid, etc. while trying to get the birth certificate? Why does it have to be either/or? Go after both.
Why would he have to "re-apply" for citizenship?
Foreign adoption of a minor child who is a US citizen does not void US citizenship.
If he were a US citizen on August 4, 1961 and if he did not renounce that citizenship after his 18th birthday, then whatever Lolo did or did not do is meaningless.