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Sen. Harkin: Nothing prevents Obama from using 14th Amendment
The Hill ^ | July 29, 2011 | Alicia M. Cohn

Posted on 07/29/2011 7:37:04 AM PDT by maggief

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) on Friday ramped up growing Democratic pressure on the White House to consider invoking the Fourteenth Amendment to raise the debt ceiling.

"Is there anything that prohibits him from doing that? The answer is no," Harkin said. The White House has been going about the idea the wrong way by asking whether the amendment legally gives the president the power to raise the debt ceiling without Congressional authority, according to Harkin.

Although President Obama indicated last week that his lawyers had looked into the legality of the so-called “Fourteenth Amendment solution,” he said they were “not persuaded that that is a winning argument.”

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney also made it clear in a briefing on Tuesday that the option was not on the table. “The Constitution makes clear that Congress has the authority -- not the president -- to borrow money,” Carney said. “And only Congress can increase the statutory debt ceiling. That’s just a reality.”

But Harkin called it “nuts” for the White House to indicate they would not consider the option. “It should be on the table," he said on the liberal Bill Press’s radio show.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; debtceiling
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1 posted on 07/29/2011 7:37:06 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Try actually reading the 14th Admendment Senator. Any sane judge would laugh in your face if you tried to use this Amendment to justify raising the Debt Limit


2 posted on 07/29/2011 7:39:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: maggief

In that case Mr. Harkin, tell your buddy Ubama to go for it. Take that step, PLEASE?


3 posted on 07/29/2011 7:39:46 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: MNJohnnie

so what a debt limit in the first place if the President could always do whatever the hell he wanted?


4 posted on 07/29/2011 7:40:27 AM PDT by ilgipper (political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: maggief

I sure HOPE that the conservatives in Congress have the legal briefs all set to go to the Supreme Court with this issue. If the messiah goes for this lie of the 14th Amendment power to usurp Congress, he needs to be slapped down HARD and articles of impeachment prepared. The safety of the republic is at stake like no other times since the the 1860’s.


5 posted on 07/29/2011 7:41:09 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (The United States Marine Corps, your greatest friend or your worst enemy. YOU choose.)
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To: maggief

“I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”


6 posted on 07/29/2011 7:41:38 AM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: maggief

bfl


7 posted on 07/29/2011 7:43:23 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: ILS21R

Advice from Iowa’s fake war hero...


8 posted on 07/29/2011 7:43:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Agree...

“”Is there anything that prohibits him from doing that? The answer is no,” “

Only the threat of Impeachment...


9 posted on 07/29/2011 7:43:52 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: maggief

WOW! So Obama couyld have avoided this whole crisis all along?? I’ll BE Dawg! ;)


10 posted on 07/29/2011 7:44:20 AM PDT by tsowellfan ( Obamanomic Wreckovery - How's That Change Working For Ya?)
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To: maggief
These a$$holes could care less about our Constitution and the separation of powers.
They are blanking banana republic style dictator types.
11 posted on 07/29/2011 7:46:26 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Mr. Jazzy

I guess the supreme court could issue an injunction. This would be areal delema because it would hold the secretary of treasury libel for following the president’s orders and cite he stop. If he does not, he could go to jail for contempt BUT the zero could pardon him.

Meanwhile, aside from impeachment, what could be done to his excellency.

I hope they do go for it though because it would show the emperor to be exactly what he is.


12 posted on 07/29/2011 7:47:08 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: maggief

Fake war veterans have nothing to say to anyone about anything.


13 posted on 07/29/2011 7:47:31 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: Howie66

How many divisions does Congress have?


14 posted on 07/29/2011 7:47:57 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks maggief.
The White House has been going about the idea the wrong way by asking whether the amendment legally gives the president the power to raise the debt ceiling without Congressional authority, according to Harkin.
Amendment don't do anything ecept permit (neceary) enabling legitlation. If Zero tries this, it will be a non-virtual "bring it on" ping to the entire country.


15 posted on 07/29/2011 7:48:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: maggief

b.s.

if that were doable,

obama would have already do do it.


16 posted on 07/29/2011 7:49:44 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Howie66
Sen. Harkin: Nothing prevents Obama from using 14th Amendment

Nothing prevents the citizens from using the 2nd Amendment.

Take Back AMERICA!
FUBO GTFO 2012 !

17 posted on 07/29/2011 7:51:07 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: maggief

He is right, nothing prevents Obama from invoking the 14th amendment, but nothing prevents the market to view new and renewable treasuries as toxic as a result of a very constitutionally questionable action.

If he invokes the 14th Amendment, who is going to even consider buying treasuries without a huge premium?

Good luck with that option.


18 posted on 07/29/2011 7:51:08 AM PDT by GWB00 (Barbara Streisand barely made it out of high school.)
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To: jpsb

Sixteen, not counting reserves or special operations units.


19 posted on 07/29/2011 7:52:49 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: maggief

He should invoke the 14th to take away the 2nd amendment, allow unrestricted abortions, shut down talk radio, and cover the moon with cheese.

It gives him as much right to do those as raise the debt ceiling.


20 posted on 07/29/2011 7:54:09 AM PDT by LostPassword
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To: Ingtar

You might want to double check that, last time I looked Obama was commander in chief.


21 posted on 07/29/2011 7:54:48 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: maggief
Iowas’ biggest embarrassment echoes his masters’voice.
22 posted on 07/29/2011 7:54:58 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Howie66

I’m with you. He inherits the entire problem if he pulls the trigger here. GOP would be off the hook. The one stat that has remained steady is the American public has been steadfast in NOT wanting the debt limit raised. I think that’s why he hasn’t used this option.


23 posted on 07/29/2011 7:55:29 AM PDT by castowell (Take your peas and shove them up your nose, asshat!)
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To: maggief
Sen. Harkin: Nothing prevents Obama from using 14th Amendment

LOL. Sen. Harkin, you couldn't be more wrong. WE THE PEOPLE are still in charge and you are in our way.


LET'S ROLL!!!!

24 posted on 07/29/2011 7:55:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: ILS21R

Which part did Obama screw up in inauguration day?

We should have known it would be downhill from there.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 7:56:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: GWB00
"If he invokes the 14th Amendment, who is going to even consider buying treasuries without a huge premium"

The Federal Reserve. EQ3.

26 posted on 07/29/2011 7:56:59 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: MNJohnnie
Remember, Harkin is FOB. This is possibly a bait offering to bottom feeder Hussein and WH shysters.

One more extra constitutional illegal move by this president may push the SC to "weigh in" - making Obama look like an even bigger tinpot wannabe community organizing race hustler in chief.

Curious why little Tommy Harkin of all people would say this.

28 posted on 07/29/2011 7:58:19 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: maggief

Whassat ole Senator Ethanol Dungheap done be sayin’?


29 posted on 07/29/2011 7:58:34 AM PDT by Ole Okie (!!)
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To: jpsb
You might want to double check that, last time I looked Obama was commander in chief.

And all the officers and troops take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

30 posted on 07/29/2011 7:59:10 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: maggief
Nothing stopping him except those delusions of being reelected he is foolishly hanging on to, Sen Harken.
31 posted on 07/29/2011 7:59:18 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Yes Palin CAN defeat the Obamanable snowman!)
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To: maggief

The 14th amendment prevents him from using the 14th amendment in the way he wants to.


32 posted on 07/29/2011 7:59:30 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: MNJohnnie

What a J@ckass. The 14th is what will be used for impeachment if the democrats don’t make the debt interest payments. That’s what the debt reference is there for. It says the debt cannot be ignored, not the spending.


33 posted on 07/29/2011 8:00:00 AM PDT by Justa
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To: maggief
Sec. 5 destroys that tyrannical power grab.

Of course Harkin’s, the rest of the democrats and several black robed oligarchs in the Judicial Branch know their supporters are ignoramuses.

Hooray for an uniformed voter base; they made a lot of politicians, bureaucrats and contractors wealthy beyond their dreams.

34 posted on 07/29/2011 8:00:38 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: maggief; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...

This would solve so many of Republicans problems, it would unite them again and pass all the deficit blame to Obama. Dream on Republicans. (This also shows how stupid these House progressives are wrt to politics.)

Obama has a MUCH better plan: Get Republicans blamed for both the bad economy AND for the increase in the debt limit by forcing them to do it with little or no budget cuts.


35 posted on 07/29/2011 8:01:51 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: maggief

Sorry, Harkin - but constitutional scholars say you’re WRONG.

I’d love to see BHO try it, though. What fun we’d have with him :-))))))))))))


36 posted on 07/29/2011 8:03:43 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: sickoflibs

On another note, gold is above $1620!


37 posted on 07/29/2011 8:04:11 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I will only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t need to be pinged to your every utterance here.... thank you very much.


38 posted on 07/29/2011 8:04:20 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Howie66

The people have been fools and 0bama has been so in your face that I love the thought of him owning this. We are hopeless. 0bama can take down the United States, but he’s not going to live forever. And he will go down in history for what he has always been and what our founders warned us of.


39 posted on 07/29/2011 8:04:20 AM PDT by mrspeelwerneeded (Palin 2012)
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To: jpsb

“Divisions”?

You have the House and the Senate that make up Congress.


40 posted on 07/29/2011 8:05:53 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: marktwain
So did Obama and everyone in D.C. Using the 14th is a dangerous ploy, Congress's only recourse is the courts and Obama like Linchon could arrest the court. Or Rats in the Senate might prevent that. What then? Yall are backing yourselves into a corner against a much stronger opponent. Not smart.
41 posted on 07/29/2011 8:05:53 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: maggief

Here’s what’s going to happen. The gop elites will get with the dems and pass a “bi-partisan” bill. All the tea partiers will vote against it so they’ll be covered.

It will be kicked down the road and they’ll have their retirements funded for a few more years.

Obama gets re-elected in 2012 and then the destruction of America will almost be complete.


42 posted on 07/29/2011 8:06:46 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I will only vote for a SECOND party.)
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43 posted on 07/29/2011 8:07:05 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: maggief

“Is there anything that prohibits him from doing that? The answer is no,”
##

Wrong answer, s##t for brains. The Constitution prevents it and you can bet the court will prevent it.


44 posted on 07/29/2011 8:07:56 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: GWB00

“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, ...”

Debt above the legal debt limit is not authorized by law.

The argument that he can unilaterally issue illegal debt is bunk.


45 posted on 07/29/2011 8:08:50 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: Howie66

divisions yes as in more then one large militray unit .... division.


46 posted on 07/29/2011 8:09:38 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Keith in Iowa
RE :"I don’t need to be pinged to your every utterance here.... thank you very much."

I actually forgot a few pings, not sure how you got on that list

47 posted on 07/29/2011 8:10:10 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: EQAndyBuzz

He didn’t screw anything up. He wanted to take the “real” oath on the Koran.


48 posted on 07/29/2011 8:10:19 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I will only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: maggief

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article

Where does this happa get off talking about using the 14th?


49 posted on 07/29/2011 8:10:29 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: maggief
None dare call it TREASON............BUT I WILL!..........................
50 posted on 07/29/2011 8:11:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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