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Lt. General says (murderer)Hasan still has rank, getting paycheck
KXXV ^ | 7-27-11 | Bruce Gietzen

Posted on 07/29/2011 7:46:15 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

FORT HOOD - Lieutenant General Donald Campbell Jr., the Commander of Fort Hood said Wednesday accused gunman Major Nidal Hasan still has his rank and is still drawing a paycheck from the military while he awaits court martial set for March 5, 2012.

Hasan's confinement and medical expenses are also being paid by the military, and he is moved on post once or twice a week for treatment and occasionally to see his legal defense team.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fthood; hansan; hasan; islam; mooslimb; murderer; muslim; paycheck; rank; terrorist

1 posted on 07/29/2011 7:46:23 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

needs to fall down some stairs.


2 posted on 07/29/2011 7:47:47 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Well isn’t that special?


3 posted on 07/29/2011 7:49:08 AM PDT by Ole Okie (!!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I’m sure Obama needs him alive and well paid. Fellow Muslims take care of each other


4 posted on 07/29/2011 7:49:16 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: WOBBLY BOB
It is due process. He will be stripped after his trial and hopefully speedy execution by firing squad.

The question isn't why he has rank and pay, but WHY THE HELL DID WE LET A LOONIE MUSLIM INTO OUR ARMED FORCES!? is the real question that needs asking.

5 posted on 07/29/2011 7:49:46 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I’d love to see him suffer Jeffrey Dahmer’s fate.....


6 posted on 07/29/2011 7:50:15 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand. Let him eat peas!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

amazing.

even our military has fallen into social and political correctness,

and they haven’t the guts and brains to remove themselves

from harm’s path.


7 posted on 07/29/2011 7:51:48 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Victims and their families need to sue him for every penny our idiotic government is giving him.


8 posted on 07/29/2011 7:54:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ken21

Let’s remember, until he’s convicted (and, one assumes, dismissed from the service), he’s still entitled to all pay and benefits. That’s just how it works. Innocent until proven guilty pursuant to proper authority and all that.

Colonel, USAFR


9 posted on 07/29/2011 7:54:51 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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10 posted on 07/29/2011 7:59:00 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Until convicted, he will still hold the rank and continue receiving pay and benefits. That’s how it works, like it or not. Once that conviction comes down, though... off with the ******’s head, as far as I’m concerned.


11 posted on 07/29/2011 8:01:02 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: ken21
amazing. even our military has fallen into social and political correctness, and they haven’t the guts and brains to remove themselves from harm’s path.

That may very well be true on other fronts, but this is a due process matter. He hasn't been convicted yet.

12 posted on 07/29/2011 8:02:51 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: NRA1995

Dahmer met Christ in prison.(Christ J Scarver)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Scarver


13 posted on 07/29/2011 8:07:56 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: jagusafr
until he’s convicted, he’s still entitled to all pay and benefits

OK, so what's wrong with this idea: all pay stops when the accused is indicted. If he is later found innocent, he gets all back pay plus interest.

14 posted on 07/29/2011 8:08:21 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: NRA1995
I’d love to see him suffer Jeffrey Dahmer’s fate.....

If I had been one of the LEOs on site that day, he would have been taken to the coroner, not a hospital.

15 posted on 07/29/2011 8:10:29 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either. Holder hates Texas too.)
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To: jagusafr
until he’s convicted, he’s still entitled to all pay and benefits

OK, so what's wrong with this idea: all pay stops when the accused is indicted. If he is later found innocent, he gets all back pay plus interest.

16 posted on 07/29/2011 8:10:58 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

“OK, so what’s wrong with this idea: all pay stops when the accused is indicted. If he is later found innocent, he gets all back pay plus interest.”

The problem is that constitutionally, it presumes guilt before an adjudication. Don’t get me wrong: in cases like this where there are dozens of witnesses to the offenses, the human side of me says, “just string him up”; however, as we hear ad nauseum: “We are a nation of laws, not of men.” Doing the right thing in the right way at the right time for the right reason is the foundation and responsibility of such a nation.

As you were.

Colonel, USAFR


17 posted on 07/29/2011 8:15:33 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The U.S. military sounds as soft in the head as Norway.


18 posted on 07/29/2011 8:17:37 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: jagusafr

If any one of the victims had been armed at the time Hasan would have been “taken out” without a trial.


19 posted on 07/29/2011 8:19:27 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: WOBBLY BOB

He should be. He has not yet been found guilty of anything. Aggravating, I know. After his trial is over, the DOD needs to determine how this assclown was promoted to MAJ through political correctness. Them his med school record needs to be reviewed. I doubt he got his MD through good grades.


20 posted on 07/29/2011 8:19:45 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Sometimes that whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing is inconvenient...


21 posted on 07/29/2011 8:22:25 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Leaning Right
Note that the article omits to mention how much he earns.

Since he has NO need for the money, I wonder if he donating it all to a mosque somewheres..

22 posted on 07/29/2011 8:24:44 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: jagusafr
it presumes guilt before an adjudication

Not really; think of it as holding his pay in an escrow account.

Here's another way to look at it. Suppose I worked for you and you have accused me of theft. And so I've been arrested and imprisoned.

Do you have an obligation to continue paying me while I'm in prison and awaiting trial? I think not.

The obligation you do have is to make things right if I'm found not guilty.

23 posted on 07/29/2011 8:28:06 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
Adherence to the law is not discretionary.
24 posted on 07/29/2011 8:29:45 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: Ole Okie

Not unexpected. Until he goes to trial or courts martial, he still receives his pay. He cannot be punished before the trial.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 8:29:56 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Ole Okie

Actually, it’s normal. Until the soldier is convicted, he is only accused and is still entitled to rank and pay. When convicted, they are stripped of rank (E-1) and lose pay.


26 posted on 07/29/2011 8:30:16 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: verity
What I am proposing is not illegal or unusual at all. In fact, it's quite common in tenant-landlord disputes.

Suppose you rent an apartment that you later claim is unfit for habitation. So you refuse to pay the rent.

Very often a judge will order that the rent continue to be paid, but be put in escrow.

If the final ruling (the “trial”) favors the landlord, he gets the escrowed rent. Otherwise, it's returned to you.

It's a very fair and sensible system. I can't see why it cannot be applied here.

27 posted on 07/29/2011 8:42:46 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And we can’t cut one dollar from the budget,,....NOT ONE! I’m sure a 1 hour lookie see would get a few more of these, “low hanging fruit”. How about checking all computers for child porn and an hour or more of Solitaire and fire those? How about anyone heard quoting Mao in the last year? That right there would get about half of the government.


28 posted on 07/29/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Leaning Right
Because the law does not allow this discretionary authority regardless how sensible your suggestion is.
29 posted on 07/29/2011 8:50:21 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I'm a bit tired of all these hyperbolic stories about crap like this. Innocent until proven guilty, due process, law. Who the hell wants to live in a country where you can simply be accused of a crime and lose everything?

The guy is most likely guilty, but he is due his day in court. When he is convicted he will lose everything and justice will be served. In the meantime, I'd like to continue living in a free country.

30 posted on 07/29/2011 9:00:38 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: DCBryan1
WHY THE HELL DID WE LET A LOONIE MUSLIM INTO OUR ARMED FORCES!?

Ask the Pentagon? They were actively recruiting Muslims under Bush, and lowering the bar for them, and I imagine it's gotten even worse under the Commie Muslim in the White House today.

Google Gordon England and Hesham Islam for a typical example of what's been going on in our politically correct military. Not to mention the terrorist radicals that Barry has been installing at the highest levels of our military and security.

31 posted on 07/29/2011 9:01:02 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
And here all this time, I thought he had met American Standard before he kicked.
32 posted on 07/29/2011 9:02:49 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Typical Federale Government waste. A fine example why we are in a Gov’t debt crisis. Just throwing money out the door because it’s not your money....so what does a Federale drone care as long as he keeps getting his paycheck?


33 posted on 07/29/2011 9:03:28 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Typical Federale Government waste. A fine example why we are in a Gov’t debt crisis. Just throwing money out the door because it’s not your money....so what does a Federale drone care as long as he keeps getting his paycheck?


34 posted on 07/29/2011 9:03:36 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: DCBryan1
The question isn't why he has rank and pay, but WHY THE HELL DID WE LET A LOONIE MUSLIM INTO OUR ARMED FORCES!?

If it had stopped with him, we could have said, well, we learned our lesson the hard way, let's not let any more of the murdering bastards in but we are still taking them into our military.

35 posted on 07/29/2011 9:14:44 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Simplistic answers to complex problems never work and are only proposed by simple people.)
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To: Leaning Right
OK. What about this idea........

Military man with family is accused of a heinous crime he is innocent of, docked of all pay and benefits - his family starves, his house is foreclosed on, his car is repossessed, and such will continue until he ‘speeds up the process’ and admits to whatever they want him to admit to.

Do you see a problem with that?

36 posted on 07/29/2011 9:19:38 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: douginthearmy

The an is a paraplegic the last I heard, Crippled from the waist down.

IF he is found guilty he will be stripped of his rank and pay, but in some form or other we will be paying for this crippled murdering CS for the rest of his life.

It will cost us a ton of money for physical therapists and a special cell and special attention to keep this Muslim POPS alive, and thinking about capitol Punishment with OPbama in the White House is a joke.,

face it this guyis guranteed to live a long life with servants ( nurse’s, physical therapists,doctors) around to wait on him for years.


37 posted on 07/29/2011 9:28:09 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: allmendream
his family starves, his house is foreclosed on, his car is repossessed

You've got a point there. but that's true even if the accused is not a military man. Suppose a civilian is picked up for a crime and sits in jail for six months waiting for his trial.

Who takes care of his family in that case? Should the government - who put him there in the first place - pay his bills until trial? Or should his employer be forced to continue to pay him every two weeks?

A citizen taxpayer should have no fewer rights than someone who works for the government.

38 posted on 07/29/2011 9:37:25 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
OK, so what's wrong with this idea: all pay stops when the accused is indicted. If he is later found innocent, he gets all back pay plus interest.

Outside of the fact it goes against the dictum “innocent until proven guilty”, nothing at all.

Why don't we just get rid off all these lengthy, boring trials and go with, “hey, if the prosecution say someone’s guilty, that's good enough for us and we just punish every defendant on government sayso. The government wouldn't indict these people for crimes unless they were guilty, would they?”

39 posted on 07/29/2011 10:14:01 AM PDT by Cheburashka (If found, please return this Ring of Power to Sauron, Lord of Darkness. Return postage guaranteed.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Do they have him still counseling American soldiers when they return from war?


40 posted on 07/29/2011 11:06:27 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: JohnnyP

preaching to the choir, my Friend. I can’t stomach the fact that people trained to handle weapons are presumed to be either incompetent or nuts when they’re on base.

Colonel, USAFR


41 posted on 07/29/2011 11:35:43 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Ole Okie

Not for nuthin’, but are we presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court (whether it be civilian or military.)

I am sure that we will get our pound of flesh.


42 posted on 07/29/2011 11:45:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I can't think of anything clever, so I'll just say, "Obama sucks.")
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To: Ole Okie
Until the Courts Martial convicts Major Hasan and as a part of the sentencing orders a reduction in rank to E-1, Forfeiture of all pay and allowances, a Dishonorable Discharge, and hopefully Execution for the crime, Hasan still legally is a Major and gets full pay.
43 posted on 07/29/2011 11:47:02 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: jagusafr
Innocent until proven guilty pursuant to proper authority and all that.

You aren't buying into that PC BS, are you? /s

44 posted on 07/29/2011 12:00:16 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Leaning Right

An interesting thought, and supportable in the civilian world, but that’s not how the UCMJ reads.


45 posted on 07/29/2011 12:42:42 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: douginthearmy
Who the hell wants to live in a country where you can simply be accused of a crime and lose everything?

I wonder how many of these folks were clamoring for LTC Lakin to lose his pay while awaiting trial...

46 posted on 07/29/2011 12:50:57 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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