Skip to comments.Dems to produce Boehner-McConnell plan? (A Hybrid)
Posted on 07/29/2011 8:19:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Has an end game begun to take shape on the debt-ceiling debate? According to Politico, Democrats are shaping a new plan to reach a compromise with Republicans in both chambers, taking elements from two Republican plans to create a Boehner-McConnell approach:
Democrats are aiming for a debt-limit compromise similar to the House Republican plan, with at least one major difference: The second vote on raising the debt ceiling would not depend on Congress passing a broader deficit-reduction package.
The shape of this potential compromise meshes major elements of the proposals offered in recent weeks by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), according to Democratic officials familiar with the negotiations.
Under the possible compromise, Congress could still get a second crack at voting on the debt limit within months. But rather than linking the vote to Congress approving the recommendations of a new 12-member committee as it would be in Boehners bill Democrats prefer McConnells proposal that allows President Barack Obama to lift the debt ceiling unless two-thirds of both chambers override his veto of a disapproval resolution, the officials said.
To force action on a deficit reduction package, the White House would agree to strengthen the mechanism that compels Congress to pass the special committees recommendations, the officials said. The officials would not detail proposals for a so-called trigger that acts as an incentive for both parties to bargain in good faith and reach agreement.
Well, if Democrats do produce this plan for an actual vote, it would have the honor of being their first. Would it work, though? It combines the elements of both bills to which some Republicans object most, which is giving control of a second debt increase to Obama while making it easier to avoid further cuts. Boehner has had enough problems keeping his caucus in line without appearing to make further concessions.
However, the key to this would be getting Democratic support in both chambers. Boehner wouldn’t necessarily need to get everyone in the GOP caucus on board; in fact, he could stop whipping the vote altogether and release some members to vote against it. McConnell would have to deliver enough Republicans to keep a filibuster from succeeding in the Senate, but that doesn’t seem like a difficult task at this point.
As distasteful as this might be, it still isn’t a bad deal for Republicans. They get some cuts and no tax increases, a key victory in this debate. They also force a second debate before the election, with less risk for the GOP of another round of brinksmanship. And in the end, a unilateral decision by Obama to commit the second debt-ceiling increase will hang it completely on him, especially if Republicans in the House vote against it when it occurs. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Boehner keep 125-150 Republicans with him on this proposal.
Update: Cantor seems less anxious to get to a vote on Boehner 1.1:
On Friday morning, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was non-committal about bringing Speaker John Boehners debt ceiling package back to the floor less than 12 hours after GOP leadership pulled the bill fearing it would fail without enough Republican votes.
The Virginia Republican told POLITICO in a brief interview as he walked into the Capitol Friday morning that well see if the twice-delayed debt ceiling package would see a vote.
That could just mean that Boehner can’t get the votes, but it could also mean that they see another option, too.
Update II: Looks like Jeff Flake’s late commitment for support may have given Boehner the 216 votes he needs today. But that was contingent on passing the BBA for a 2nd tranche on the debt ceiling, making Boehner’s bill an even more DOA effort when it gets to the Senate.
Boner/McGobbler/Reid/Pelosi was the end-game all along. The House Republicans have just been slow getting their “rear-ends” in line.
The article said “Democrats prefer McConnells proposal that allows President Barack Obama to lift the debt ceiling unless two-thirds of both chambers override his veto of a disapproval resolution.”
Are they kidding? Do the republicans not realize they don’t have a 2/3 majority in the senate? Why not just go home and give the damned country to the communists. Hell, they’ll even let boner and company keep their retirement package.
What cuts is Morrisey talking about. There are no cuts for 2011 and the only specific cuts in the bill for 2012 and beyond are the elimination of Pell Grant interest rate subsidies. But there are no actual reductions in gov't spending. All the elimination of the Pell Grant interest rate subsidies does is allow the federal gov't to collect more money from students. In other words, under the Boehner bill, the federal gov't will get more money from the repayment of Pell Grants than it does now. And the Pell Grants themselves will continue on with an additional $17 billion being allocated for them in the Boehner bill.
As to discretionary spending, the 'cuts' in the bill are only cuts in the baseline world of Washington. Under the bill, discretionary spending will still increase from 2011 to 2012 and from 2012 to 2013, etc. So the only cut is a cut in the increase of the baseline.
My solution is to give Obama his “end of his term” debt limit increase (that’s all he really cares about anyway) but it’s going to cost him the 900 billion in cuts Boehner has identified AND Obama must sign on and WORK FOR a Constitutional Amendment to Balance the Budget and then,if need be in negotiations, be willing to reduce the 900 billion in cuts by half but retain, at all costs, the Balance the Budget amendment.
Those aren't cuts in the real world, don't-spend-more-money-than-you-take-in sense. They're just a reduction in the increase of the spending baseline.
here is the current whip count on the Boehner proposal. The undecided Reps. are as follows: Ted Poe, TX (202-225-6565); Michael Turner, OH (202-225-6465); Bill Posey, FL (202-225-3671); Jack Kingston, GA (202-225-5831); Quico Canseco, TX (202-225-4511); Scott DesJarlais, TN (202-225-6831); Morgan Griffith, VA (202-225-3861); Scott Garrett, NJ (202-225-4465); Jeff Flake, AZ (202-225-2635)
Standing at the precipice of financial collapse, so many of our elected "representatives" (All the Dems, some of the GOPers) are preoccupied not with doing the right thing, but rather who will get the blame for the smoking ruin (and how to rig things so it's not them.)
History will not forgive them.
Neither will we voters.
a second vote to increase debt with no accountability to cut spending
what a novel idea
This article indirectly make the point many of us here have been making. With McConnell selling out the GOP right from the chute, Boner passing a weak bill will be taken by Dems and raped with all their own pork put in there. Now it looks like they my take McConnell’s sellout and put it in there, then say ‘hey, this is the Boner/McConnell plan, not ours’ and the voters get sold out.
Should have stayed with the CCB bill boner.
True but it gives both sides cover. Obama says what you said, Boehner can then cite cuts as well as the holy grail, a Balanced Budget Amendment with Presidential backing. The BBA, imho, is worth allowing Bam off the hook for the rest of this term re: spending caps. And with the BBA enjoying 75% public approval it should be a shoo in for States support. As for the next election we go after Bam on repealing his Health Care plan which now has 57% public approval to be repealed. Not to mention the economy, a purposely stalemated conflict in Libya that’s a total abortion, etc.