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The no votes: 22 GOPers who balked Boehner
Politico ^ | July 29, 2011 | Politico

Posted on 07/29/2011 4:32:13 PM PDT by americanophile

Speaker John Boehner pushed his debt-ceiling bill through the House Friday night with the support of 218 Republicans. Here are the 22 no votes:

Justin Amash (Mich.) Michele Bachmann (Minn.) Chip Cravaack (Minn.)

Jason Chaffetz (Utah) Scott Desjarlais (Tenn.) Tom Graves (Ga.) Tim Huelskamp (Kans.) Steve King (Iowa) Tim Johnson (Ill.) Tom McClintock (Calif.) Mick Mulvaney (S.C.) Ron Paul (Texas) Connie Mack (Fla.) Jim Jordan (Ohio) Tim Scott (S.C.) Paul Broun (Ga.) Tom Latham (Iowa) Jeff Duncan (S.C.) Trey Gowdy (S.C.) Steve Southerland (Fla.) Joe Walsh (Ill.) Joe Wilson (S.C.)

CORRECTED: Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) voted YES on the Boehner bill. That was incorrect in the initial list. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) has been added to the list.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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To: Elendur

Five Democrats didn’t vote. Among them, three were California Democrats: Reps. Maxine Waters, Jackie Speier and Joe Baca. The two others, Reps. Gabrielle Giffords (Ariz.) and Maurice Hinchey (N.Y.) have been absent for medical reasons.

why didn’t these democrats vote????
http://pressfreedom.info/inside-the-house-vote-how-boehners-bill-squeaked-by.html

Something is suspicious. Were they afraid the bill might not pass???


51 posted on 07/29/2011 5:48:30 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: americanophile

This is why Texas Republicans re-districted Ron Paul out of his district...


52 posted on 07/29/2011 5:49:23 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: maine-iac7
I understand it, and won't flame you. See my post #26 on JimRob's thread.

I'm still proud of the no voters.

53 posted on 07/29/2011 5:49:50 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: maine-iac7

“I believe some of these 20 holdouts are doing so not solely on principle but,knowing the bill would pass without their vote, safely cast their no vote more for personal political credits”

Well, I’ll make one observation: those 218 Repubs. who voted for this turkey couldn’t have done so on principle because it doesn’t do beans about changing the spending/debt trajectory that is overwhelming us. This bill makes a very small cut to the future INCREASE in spending, and almost all of that is in the “out” years.

flame away


54 posted on 07/29/2011 5:52:45 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: RummyChick; Roccus

RummyChick in #45 has the goods on this.
awesome info. thanks !


55 posted on 07/29/2011 5:57:36 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Roccus
Those suspicious 6 were obviously bought. Now since true Tea Party Congressmen eschew pork,look for any six of the twenty-twos’ districts suddenly receiving generous fed funding for “public works”—like a new bridge that is named after the BOUGHT congresscritter.
56 posted on 07/29/2011 5:57:39 PM PDT by Happy Rain (Liberals and Muslims today are like the Nazis and Communists of 1940--"pals" for now.)
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To: SharpRightTurn
This bill makes a very small cut to the future INCREASE in spending, and almost all of that is in the “out” years.

You are 100% right. Remember the old "Less is more" mocks that the rats sent our way in 95? Heh-heh

57 posted on 07/29/2011 5:59:10 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Elendur

Honestly I don’t think most FReepers know what their congressmen are up to when nobody’s looking let alone how clueless the general population is.

He’s gotten a $20 million cut from funding for the arts (he asked for 50) He’s gotten some OSHA regulations rolled back for small businesses. He’s sponsored a bill to halt the mandate that insurance companies use faulty FEMA maps. He supports the small business paperwork elimination act. He’s voted against tax credits for wind energy and signed the no climate tax pledge and has officially stated that cap and trade has zero impact on global temperatures. He’s also cosponsored or sponsored every domestic energy bill to pass in front of him. He also has a lifetime ACU rating of 98%.

I can accept one vote I disagree with.


58 posted on 07/29/2011 6:00:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Elendur

If Maxine waters, baca and speier were there...then perhaps they had to wait to see if those Dems voted...because had they voted then Boehner would have needed the last minute votes.


59 posted on 07/29/2011 6:00:51 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: maine-iac7

I don’t understand it.

Our system of government was specifically designed such that if the House, Senate and President don’t agree on something, it doesn’t become law. The idea was that if there was not a general consensus on something then it was not reasonable.

Even then laws are subject to general judicial review and even then may not be enforced by the executive (See the Alien and Sedition Acts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts#Aftermath).

What we are facing today, inevitable bankruptcy due to political weakness, is not reasonable. It should not become law.

You seems to get the balances part right but skip over the checks part of Checks and Balances.


60 posted on 07/29/2011 6:05:04 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: All; americanophile
In the mean time we have this BULL in the Senate (roll call):

Measure Title: A bill to express the sense of the Senate on shared sacrifice in resolving the budget deficit.

Vote Counts: YEAs 76 NAYs 23 Not Voting 1

GOP Senators wanting "shared sacrifice" (AKA higher taxes!):

  1. Blunt (R-MO)
  2. Boozman (R-AR)
  3. Brown (R-MA)
  4. Burr (R-NC)
  5. Chambliss (R-GA)
  6. Coats (R-IN)
  7. Cochran (R-MS)
  8. Collins (R-ME)
  9. Corker (R-TN)
  10. Hatch (R-UT)
  11. Hutchison (R-TX)
  12. Isakson (R-GA)
  13. Johanns (R-NE)
  14. Kirk (R-IL)
  15. Kyl (R-AZ)
  16. Lugar (R-IN)
  17. Moran (R-KS)
  18. Murkowski (R-AK)
  19. Portman (R-OH)
  20. Rubio (R-FL)
  21. Shelby (R-AL)
  22. Snowe (R-ME)
  23. Thune (R-SD)

Not voting Wicker (R-MS)

61 posted on 07/29/2011 6:07:32 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama's plan: http://rooney.house.gov/images/stories/President_Obamas_Plan.pdf)
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To: RummyChick

So it was the 5 from SC plus one other pub that made up the six who voted after it passed.


62 posted on 07/29/2011 6:11:54 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: newzjunkey

I would vote in favor of “shared sacrifice” if it means having the 49-51% who pay nothing start paying part of the burden. Otherwise, NO.


63 posted on 07/29/2011 6:16:52 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: americanophile
‘till they see what they'll be asked to support when it comes back.

The Pelosi Democrats will take over, and they won't need so many Republican votes to finalize it.
64 posted on 07/29/2011 6:23:02 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: americanophile

Steve King - IA-5 - NO
Tom Latham - IA-4 0 NO

The two Iowa GOP reps did their jobs today.


65 posted on 07/29/2011 6:33:53 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Obama's hoping that we'll have nothing but chump change left when he's done.)
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To: SteelTrap

>> I’m donating to all the No voters and keeping an eye on the yes dudes

Only support the definitely Noes. A handful changed their vote from Yea at the last minute once certain the bill would pass without their vote.


66 posted on 07/29/2011 6:35:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: Roccus

> “So it was the 5 from SC plus one other pub that made up the six who voted after it passed.”

No, you got that backwards. RummyChick listed the names of those who waited, which didn’t include any South Carolinians.


67 posted on 07/29/2011 6:37:28 PM PDT by GJones2 (Vote)
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To: maine-iac7

Five minutes before the vote, I called Rep. Steve Southerland’s office and they told me he was voting No. And he did.....


68 posted on 07/29/2011 6:40:28 PM PDT by jch10 (I stand with Sarah Palin)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

GOP Presidential Candidate Bachmann just scored a few more points with me.

I'm adding a point to her column on the presidential scorecard as well. I'd make her president in 2012 if only to insulate and encourage the Tea Party fresh faces in congress.


69 posted on 07/29/2011 6:42:06 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Roccus

Now I’m confused. The article says, “the entire GOP South Carolina delegation waited until the final seconds to cast their not vote” but the list below includes them in the first part (along with Bachmann, for instance) and then says, “Other GOP members — and one Democrat — waited until the final minutes to cast their votes.” [And lists some Republicans (none of them South Carolinians) along with the one Democrat Lloyd Doggett]

“Those members are:

Ted Poe (TX)
Steven Pearse (NM)
Dan Lungren (CA)
Mike McCaul (TX)
Steve Latourette (OH)
Doug Lamborn (CO)
Parker Griffith (AL)
Sean Duffy (WI)
Lloyd Doggett (D-TX)
Michael Burgess (TX)
Brian Bilbray (CA)
Joe Barton (TX)”

Which is true? The account sounds contradictory to me.


70 posted on 07/29/2011 6:51:25 PM PDT by GJones2 (Vote)
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To: americanophile

Want to keep your jobs, Republicans...stand your ground and you’re in!


71 posted on 07/29/2011 7:00:25 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: americanophile

I’m so disappointed in Todd Rokita (R-IN). A lot of good rhetoric during the election, but his actions are defining him.

We’ll remember ya in the 2012 primary, Todd.


72 posted on 07/29/2011 7:10:09 PM PDT by PhiloBedo
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To: SteelTrap
I’m donating to all the No voters and keeping an eye on the yes dudes.

Good Idea. Anyone with Facebook and Twitter should go to their pages and thank them.

I'm donating now

73 posted on 07/29/2011 7:29:37 PM PDT by tsowellfan ( Obamanomic Wreckovery - How's That Change Working For Ya?)
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To: PhiloBedo

This is the email I just sent my Rep.

Message Subject: I’m disappointed in you.
Message Text:
Representative Rokita: I was hesitant to throw my support to you in the last election. Steve Buyer left some big shoes to fill. I knew that as SOS, you had let an ineligible candidate on the ballot. I listened and read the endorsements and reassurances of your supporters and eventually I decided to vote for you. I had hoped that you would live up to your election rhetoric, and wouldn’t have to call you or worry about how you would vote on crucial issues, such as the latest spending cut and debt ceiling proposals. I was wrong. So I’m telling you now, I would hope that as a conservative, you would not support ANY bill that raises the debt ceiling, or calls for new revenues (taxes). I would also hope that you are wise enough to understand that without DRASTIC, immediate spending cuts, our future as a country is going to disentigrate. I have two teenage daughters and I truely fear for their future. It is time for all Republican Representatives and Senators to decide whether they will fight for the TEA party principles, or continue the self perpetuation of the GOP elites. Rest assured we are watching your actions. Senator Lugar will be replaced in the primaries, and any other ineffectual office holders will be as well.” Yes I am mad. Not the “you kissed my girlfriend” mad, but rather the, “consider this a divorce” mad. So to borrow from Speaker Boehner, you had better get in line...and not the RINO one!


74 posted on 07/29/2011 7:33:48 PM PDT by PhiloBedo
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To: SteelTrap

” I’m donating to all the No voters and keeping an eye on the yes dudes. “

I just KNEW there were a few sharp FReepers left ;)


75 posted on 07/29/2011 7:42:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You are aware 4-6 of the “no” votes were quickly changed from “yes” votes at the end of voting...so 4-6 yes votes had “their a$$es in line” as per Boehner if needed. No way to tell who they were....


76 posted on 07/29/2011 7:45:52 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: americanophile

LET PUSSY BONER KNOW WHAT YOU THINK

http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/


77 posted on 07/29/2011 7:46:34 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Exactly. I don’t understand why people are so afraid of a shutdown. That is what is supposed to happen when the government starts doing things that a majority do not agree with.

It is well-established that there is enough revenue with no new borrowing to pay our debts, our troops, law enforcement, judiciary, and SS/M. A shutdown hurts nobody but government employees in agencies that should not even exist under the Constitution, and government dependents relying on other benefits like foodstamps, housing assistance, Medicaid, etc. We have more than enough revenue to pay for everything that is actually Constitutional, plus the unConstitutional SS/M. Why on Earth would we borrow more money ?

Something people never mention about interest rates going up due to a credit rating downgrade: if you don’t borrow money, it doesn’t matter what the interest rate is. In fact, if you save money the higher interest rates on savings accounts tied to bond issues rewards you. I don’t borrow money and I’m sick of earning 0.25% interest on my savings.


78 posted on 07/29/2011 7:55:21 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: americanophile; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
Every SC Rep, except Clyburn of course, voted no.

Mick Mulvaney (S.C.)
Tim Scott (S.C.)
Jeff Duncan (S.C.)
Trey Gowdy (S.C.)
Joe Wilson (S.C.)
The reddest of the red states stands Proud!

South Carolina
Ping

Send FReepmail to join or leave this list.

79 posted on 07/29/2011 7:56:34 PM PDT by upchuck (A default is not an economic event. It is a political event. Cut NOW, not in ten years.)
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To: windcliff; onedoug

ping


80 posted on 07/29/2011 7:59:38 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (Some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant...better left unstirred.-PG Wodehouse)
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To: bushwon

SCREW EM. I DON’T WANT A “DEAL” I WANT OBAMA HANGING ON A LEDGE AT THE TOP OF A HI-RISE, WITH ME STOMPING ON HIS KNUCKLES : )


81 posted on 07/29/2011 8:00:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: upchuck

m a s s i v e

b u m p


82 posted on 07/29/2011 8:01:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: americanophile

The only 22 people in the house that I can respect. May their names go down in history as the only ones who tried to save America. And may the hypocrites here on FR get what they deserve in the end. You claim you voted for a tea party. And then you criticize the very ones who were real. Those who demanded the insanity STOP! Flaming hypocrites is all you are. You can’t do math, and you have no common sense besides. I hope you can’t even get a card for the bread line. Eat your borrowed cake while you can.

The whole tea party movement was all for nothing because of you.


83 posted on 07/29/2011 8:01:29 PM PDT by Revel
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To: SharpRightTurn

Me too. Let’s talk about eliminating all the exemptions, deductions and credits that allow that bottom 50% to contribute less than 10% of their Adjusted Gross Income in Federal Income Taxes. I don’t care how many kids you’ve got, how big a mortgage you took on, or how many solar panels, electric cars, or windmills you bought — pay 10% of your GROSS income.

And I specifically include the fact that a hundred million workers have $10,000+ in employer-paid benefits that are part of their total compensation but are not counted as income for tax purposes. If you receive health insurance, education reimbursement, 401k matching, company vehicle or cell phone, reimbursed meals, or stock options, it should be treated and taxed just like you received cash.

Remember, if EVERYBODY paid 10%, NOBODY would need to be punished with higher rates.


84 posted on 07/29/2011 8:08:17 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: maine-iac7

We’ve been fed your type of reasoning for 45 years and look where it’s gotten us.


85 posted on 07/29/2011 8:15:38 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: americanophile

...by the time this bill gets out of the Senate, no one will recognize it.


86 posted on 07/29/2011 8:23:27 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: maine-iac7

I think the fact they held out tells Senate Dems that conservatives aren’t happy with the bill and they’ll have a very tough time sending back something worse.

The economy is on Obama. He’s not going to be able to blame Republicans — though he’ll certainly try.

Debt downgrade and further tanking and Obama will be in the 30’s. That’s the point where someone will Primary him. If a candidate or two pops in... might we see Hilary step up? She wouldn’t want to be the first but if the water is already muddy she may wade in...


87 posted on 07/29/2011 9:12:22 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: GJones2; RummyChick
Which is true? The account sounds contradictory to me.

EXACTLY! It's like I said up-thread, unless one of the 22 NO votes decide to spill the beans, we will never know who were the potential sell-outs. If no one talks, then ALL 22 are complicit in this deception.
Ya know, I don't know why I get upset about crap like this. I've been on this planet long enough to know that this is what politicians do. They lie, cheat, deceive and obfuscate. It doesn't matter which side they are on ideologically. It is their nature...they can't help themselves.

88 posted on 07/30/2011 3:46:02 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Roccus

i have already posted this info on who waited.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/the-republicans-who-couldnt-take-yes-for-an-answer.php


89 posted on 07/30/2011 4:58:28 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: americanophile

Glad to see the SC Five stood their ground!

Now, I’m just waiting for someone to explain yet again why it was so important and such a good thing that the Boehner crap fest was passed, only to be shot down in the Senate in near record speed.


90 posted on 07/30/2011 5:02:42 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: RummyChick; GJones2

I read the article you linked and it is contradictory in itself. It also does not match up with what I saw on C-Span

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2756148/posts?page=5#5

I’m not trying to pick a fight with you, just showing that the ONLY way this confusion can be cleared up is if one of the 22 talks.


91 posted on 07/30/2011 5:07:36 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: RummyChick

The confusion over the article is not mine alone....see#70 above


92 posted on 07/30/2011 5:15:54 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Tatze
Glad to see the SC Five stood their ground!

It very well may be that a "NO" vote on this bill does NOT mean what you think it does. A vote against a bill that is still undecided is a principled stand. A vote at the gavel against a bill that already has enough votes for passage is a deception.

93 posted on 07/30/2011 5:23:00 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Michelle Bachmann is the only candidate who has identified and targeted $105 billion to implement ObamaCare for a specific cut. That's serious money.

I've got to wonder why Boehner or any of the other candidates won't even mention it.

94 posted on 07/30/2011 5:31:20 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Roccus

I think perhaps the problem is in the wording.

Some waited until the final seconds. Some waited until the final minutes.

There are two sections in that article.

Here is another article on it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/174461-house-passes-revised-boehner-debt-plan-vote


95 posted on 07/30/2011 5:48:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Thanks, I'll read it now.

You and I are on the same page on this. I want these potential sell-outs to be uncovered for exactly what they are....political opportunists....and certainly not “heroes.”

96 posted on 07/30/2011 5:58:50 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Roccus

If it was the South Carolina people..I don’t know that I would call them a sell out.

I don’t think they would have gone against Demint on this one.

Why would they wait?

I can see a few reasons.

But the one that made sure Boehner had the votes was the very last vote by his Buddy.


97 posted on 07/30/2011 6:02:20 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
I can see a few reasons.

I must be blind....I can only see one.

98 posted on 07/30/2011 6:12:53 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Roccus

They could have been trying to trip someone up into thinking that they might vote yes.

The tripped up person covers himself by voting no.

It is a plan that probably wouldn’t work but maybe they gave it a try.

And the question is..why didn’t Maxine Water, Baca, and Speier vote in this down the wire vote.

I theorize it is because they wanted this Bill to pass and their votes would have required Boehner to get more yes votes.


99 posted on 07/30/2011 6:18:15 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Thanks...gotta go.


100 posted on 07/30/2011 6:20:18 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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