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Reid alters debt plan to attract GOP support (Give Reid the same courtesy, FILIBUSTER IT!)
The Hill ^ | 7/29/2011 | Alexander Bolton and Josiah Ryan

Posted on 07/29/2011 8:58:12 PM PDT by tobyhill

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has revised his plan to raise the debt limit in a last-ditch bid to attract Republican support.

The biggest change is that Reid would give the president almost unilateral power to raise the debt limit, borrowing an idea introduced by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

Reid would have President Obama request a $2.4 trillion debt-limit increase in two installments of $1.2 trillion each. The requests would be subject to congressional resolutions of disapproval, but these would do little to restrict the president.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: boehner; boehnerplan; debt; debtceiling; debtlimit; default; donothingsenate; imperialism; imperialpresidency; kentucky; mcconnell; mcconnellplan; nevada; obama; partyofnoplan; reid; reidplan; unconstitutional

1 posted on 07/29/2011 8:58:16 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Here comes the planned switcheroo...


2 posted on 07/29/2011 9:00:38 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: tobyhill

CRAP

Congressional Responsibility Abdication Plan


3 posted on 07/29/2011 9:01:58 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: tobyhill

Geesh, I predicted in a vanity not 12 hours ago that this is EXACTLY what would happen. I kind of hoped I’d be wrong, and sure as hell didn’t think I’d be right this soon.


4 posted on 07/29/2011 9:06:02 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Obama's hoping that we'll have nothing but chump change left when he's done.)
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To: tobyhill

Ruck Feid.

All juvenile “Buck Fush”-ness aside, Reid’s plan is a joke. It is a complete abdication of responsibility. In other words, it’s a Democratic dream.


5 posted on 07/29/2011 9:07:33 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: tobyhill

The Republican establishment ruling class always was going to give Obama what he wants. They knew that those upstart tea party people would be allowed to play a little, but in the end it would them who would prevail. Just like it always was.

The most important races in 2012 will not be in November. They will be in the primaries when these elitists will have to face tea party challengers.


6 posted on 07/29/2011 9:09:13 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Yep, it's all been staged. Reid will now use the McConnell plan, claim it as his own, get enough RINOs to sign on then pretend to be the hero of the day, all with the RINOs blessings.
7 posted on 07/29/2011 9:09:13 PM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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To: tobyhill

“The proposal I have put forward is a reasonable compromise,” Reid said. “It gives Democrats what they want, and it gives Republicans what they want. If we do nothing, our country will fail to pay its bills for the first time in history. Social Security checks could stop. Paychecks to our troops could stop.”

They only stop if the Messiah commands it.


8 posted on 07/29/2011 9:10:14 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: tobyhill

HR does not have a filibuster rule.

This is Alice in Wonderland stuff. How does a “Resolution of Disapproval” and a failure to pass one, somehow translates into a Resolution of Congress to Approve the President’s Request for a Raise in the Debt Ceiling?


9 posted on 07/29/2011 9:10:27 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: pogo101

On a similiar note, it just grates that this is coming from Dingy Harry Reid, who should have been kicked to the Senate curb by Nevada voters last Nov. We might have been able to take the Senate but it is a travesty that this lickspittle prick is still in charge.


10 posted on 07/29/2011 9:11:54 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: tobyhill
The biggest change is that Reid would give the president almost unilateral power to raise the debt limit, borrowing an idea introduced by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

This is suppose to make it better???

11 posted on 07/29/2011 9:12:08 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Steelfish

No, but the House Republicans can vote NO and defeat it.


12 posted on 07/29/2011 9:13:54 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: tobyhill
The biggest change is that Reid would give the president almost unilateral power to raise the debt limit, borrowing an idea introduced by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

I am sick of this kabuki theater crap!

Throw all the bums out!

13 posted on 07/29/2011 9:14:15 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Steelfish
The Senate needs to filibuster Reid's bill so it won't get to the House and if it does then the House needs to toss it in the nearest garbage.
14 posted on 07/29/2011 9:14:51 PM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks tobyhill.
Reid would give the president almost unilateral power to raise the debt limit, borrowing an idea introduced by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Reid would have President Obama request a $2.4 trillion debt-limit increase in two installments of $1.2 trillion each. The requests would be subject to congressional resolutions of disapproval, but these would do little to restrict the president.

15 posted on 07/29/2011 9:15:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tobyhill

Hell, give it to him. Whats the difference anyway. What’s the point of investing in so called Tea Party candidates, when all DC has to do is turn them. We make the investment, DC gets the return.


16 posted on 07/29/2011 9:21:19 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: oldbill

Yeppers.

We make the investment of electing them, DC gets the return.
We get nothing.


17 posted on 07/29/2011 9:23:52 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tobyhill

If it takes Nobama without any budget at all for his first term the dems are on board. Thats the deal.


18 posted on 07/29/2011 9:28:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: tobyhill

Reid is at least 2 RINOs short right now.


19 posted on 07/29/2011 9:29:17 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama, eat your GOPeas.)
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To: tobyhill

Tell him it’s dead in the House before he even sends it over.


20 posted on 07/29/2011 9:37:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (No dark sarcasm in the press room ... Hey!, Barry!, leave them bills alone.)
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To: tobyhill

Boehner and Reid have been doing backroom deals for some time now.


21 posted on 07/29/2011 9:38:13 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Petrosius
The biggest change is that Reid would give the president almost unilateral power to raise the debt limit, borrowing an idea introduced by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)...... This is suppose to make it better???

No, it's the rope by which we hang ourselves....oppose this poison pill and the Dems have an instant, "But it was YOUR IDEA!!" soundbyte ready for play from here to eternity.

Thanks for nothing, Mitch.

22 posted on 07/29/2011 9:38:13 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Gotta brew it a little stronger this time around......)
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To: Mike Darancette
2 RINOs short and 1 House short. The way Reid has killed the GOP plans without a vote deserves the same treatment in the House.
23 posted on 07/29/2011 9:40:42 PM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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To: oldbill

Can’t wait!


24 posted on 07/29/2011 9:40:48 PM PDT by hope
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To: oldbill

Can’t wait!


25 posted on 07/29/2011 9:41:01 PM PDT by hope
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To: GeronL
Their policy is one of big government - spreading the wealth around to collect votes in return.

reid-8sm
Harry Reid

26 posted on 07/29/2011 9:41:59 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: GeronL

Why do we even have a Congress, if they’re just going to roll over and let Obama do whatever he pleases? What is the hold this overgrown child has over the American people??

I can’t believe what I’m seeing. What happened to America??!!


27 posted on 07/29/2011 9:45:25 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Steelfish

” Resolution of Disapproval”

Or they could just fart in their general direction.


28 posted on 07/29/2011 9:48:21 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin ("Credit is the ruination of a nation")
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29 posted on 07/29/2011 10:01:58 PM PDT by RedMDer (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: tobyhill
So, they're looking to..overspend the federal income by 160 billion a month until after the election? I mean, let's get this straight here.. The president wants authorization to 13 percent of the entire national GDP per month, until the next election, where presumably he'll want more authorization to overspend 13 percent of the entire gross domestic product?

I mean, contemplate that. I live in California, we've got hell of a high sales tax rate (8.75 percent.) Over half again as much of every dollar earned, Obama wants to borrow.

Let's put it another way. Obama wants to borrow over the next fifteen or so months the entire gross domestic product of the UK! Each installment is equal to the entire GDP of Australia.

The House needs to do one thing, and one thing only. Daily vote to slash the federal budget. Flood the senate with bill after bill after bill which they have to table, and watch the fur fly as a defacto balanced budget restriction falls upon the federal government as they're forced to use taxes as they come in rather than borrow more money.

I mean, it's a joke. The United States wants to borrow 2 cents of every dollar made anywhere on the planet per year. To have a budget deficit that is equal to one third of the entire GDP of Germany, or a quarter of China's. This just boggles the mind.

30 posted on 07/29/2011 10:19:18 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: tobyhill

Republicans are now going to fold because they’re afraid Chrissy Matthews will say mean things from them. Boehner will appear on Rush and Laura and make some rationalization that will amount to “But we’d get the blame if we stood in the way.”

It’s that standing in the way that you’re being paid to do.

I don’t hate Boehner the way some here seem to, but he had a taste of doing the right thing and now he’s folding.


31 posted on 07/29/2011 10:23:37 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (``Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it``-Pope John Paul II)
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To: Darkwolf377
Republicans are now going to fold because they’re afraid Chrissy Matthews will say mean things from them.
Wanna bet?
32 posted on 07/29/2011 10:26:05 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: tobyhill

If Reid’s plan or a variation of it is approved, the USA will very rapidly become Greece or Argentina. Interest rates will shoot up. The bond rating will be downgraded (a near certainty as it is.) The dollar will continue to decline.

You cannot borrow and spend beyond your means forever. The Tea party approach is the last possibility of reducing spending voluntarily. The Dems do not care they are only concerned with power and reelection in 2012


33 posted on 07/29/2011 10:50:18 PM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Mike Darancette

Reid is at least 2 RINOs short right now.

No worry, the rest of the rino herd will soon appear.


34 posted on 07/29/2011 11:06:40 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: TigersEye

Tell him it’s dead in the House before he even sends it over.

Good point. That’s how we know the fix was in already.
Boner, tell Dingy that his bill is DOA


35 posted on 07/29/2011 11:10:13 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Petrosius

Won’t happen, the same Tea Party house members that voted for Boner’s bill, (kinda like Ron Paul’s earmarking scams) will now vote against dingy harry’s, but there will be enough pubbies + dems to vote yes and get it passed.

I smell a Boner rat set up here. The GOP is now officialy the party of surrender monkey wimps.


36 posted on 07/30/2011 12:09:12 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Obama may not be a natural born citizen, but there is no denying that he is a natural born liar.)
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To: All; tobyhill
The headline reminds me of, “I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

(L to R: Obama, Boehner, Reid)

37 posted on 07/30/2011 2:38:45 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Paul Ryan on Reid's bill: "Let's cover the moon with yogurt" http://post.ly/2gTED)
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To: tobyhill

Nobody in DC wants to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.

The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....

more regulation ...

to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.

more taxes...

The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.

In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.

In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.

For DC to face this fact...means the end of the K St-Congressional Party cycle in DC


38 posted on 07/30/2011 3:29:07 AM PDT by mo
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To: tobyhill

Yep...TABLE it!


39 posted on 07/30/2011 4:25:09 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Steelfish
The resolution of approval is the intial vote. Pass that, and you approve of increasing borrowing. All the "request affirmation, and risk rejection" crapo afterwards is a smokescreen to obscure the initial approval.

Congress is worse than worthless. It needs to collapse. It is a stain and drain on the country.

40 posted on 07/30/2011 4:38:13 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sea Parrot

Exactly right,The establishments goal here was to Marginalize the Tea Party. They have suceeded in getting them Blamed for holding up the deal,all the time Meeting in secret to ready the final sellout with the Rinos and Left wing democrats .


41 posted on 07/30/2011 4:45:34 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: ballplayer
Exactly right,The establishments goal here was to Marginalize the Tea Party. They have suceeded in getting them Blamed for holding up the deal,all the time Meeting in secret to ready the final sellout with the Rinos and Left wing democrats .

Sure - give away the plot line! Wreck the suspense for everybody!

42 posted on 07/30/2011 4:53:45 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: tennmountainman

Just wanted you to see that a certain poster hasn’t been posting.
http://freerepublic.com/tag/by:sienadreaming/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

You were one of the ones that agreed that something was odd about her.

She sure towed the Boehner party line.


43 posted on 07/30/2011 5:31:28 AM PDT by RummyChick
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