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Boeing's Dreamliner gets near-giddy reaction from aviation buffs at Oshkosh air show
Chicago Tribune ^ | Jon Hilkevitch

Posted on 07/30/2011 8:14:43 AM PDT by UB355

OSHKOSH, Wis.

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— A Boeing 787 Dreamliner decked out like a flying laboratory received a rousing welcome at its U.S. public debut Friday.

The reception by thousands of aviation enthusiasts at the AirVenture air show rivaled the anticipation of airlines that are lined up to buy the first-of-its-kind jetliner.

The Dreamliner promises to expand on the economy of jumbo jets, but in a smaller, 250-seat plane. The improvements will allow carriers to operate the 787 profitably on longer nonstop routes, such as Los Angeles to New Delhi, Boeing officials said.

More than 50 airlines worldwide have placed orders for more than 835 Dreamliners, according to Chicago-based Boeing Co.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; dreamliner

1 posted on 07/30/2011 8:14:51 AM PDT by UB355
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To: UB355
More than 50 airlines worldwide have placed orders for more than 835 Dreamliners, according to Chicago-based Boeing Co.

All those non union jobs and green house gasses! Not to worry! Obama has sicced the Department of Labor legal goons on them to make sure that nothing is ever made in America again, unless by union sanctioned goons working on green projects. My grandchildren will envy coolies.

2 posted on 07/30/2011 8:20:01 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: UB355

Los Angeles to New Delhi. I hope they can change the air filters in mid flight,.... Both ways!


3 posted on 07/30/2011 8:22:10 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: UB355
I'll wait for the 797.


4 posted on 07/30/2011 8:26:01 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: UB355

By the time they get the 787 into service, it will be a Antique by then.


5 posted on 07/30/2011 8:27:25 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I could have sworn I read this last summer.

I hope they get to build some in South Carolina.


6 posted on 07/30/2011 8:29:21 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: ASA Vet

I’m actually surprised that this design was never activelly used. The efficiencies of the flying wing are insane.


7 posted on 07/30/2011 8:29:52 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: ASA Vet

weird.


8 posted on 07/30/2011 8:32:05 AM PDT by ken21 (dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

If memory serves, Sept., or Oct. Is when ANA will take delivery of the first 787. They’ve already completed it’s service validation testing with them, pilots and air/ground crews are in training.


9 posted on 07/30/2011 8:42:08 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: UB355

I am sure they will be ordered by the U.S. based airlines with the absolute maximum amount of small seats available with zero leg room. It will be outfitted complete with the rudest flight staff available, including one free TSA agent available for unwanted public groping, and an air marshal to to increase the illusion of safety while every so often physically assaulting a random passenger for not reacting immediately to irrational orders given by said rude staff.


10 posted on 07/30/2011 8:45:52 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: AFreeBird

The Dreamliner was suppose to enter service back in 2008, it’s 3 years late.


11 posted on 07/30/2011 8:46:48 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Drill Thrawl

From WiKi on “Flying Wing”

A clean flying wing is theoretically the most aerodynamically efficient (lowest drag) design configuration for a fixed wing aircraft. It also offers high structural efficiency for a given wing depth, leading to light weight and high fuel efficiency.
Because it lacks conventional stabilizing surfaces or the associated control surfaces, in its purest form the flying wing suffers from the inherent disadvantages of being unstable and difficult to control. These compromises are difficult to reconcile, and efforts to do so can reduce or even negate the expected advantages of the flying wing design, such as reductions in weight and drag. Moreover, solutions may produce a final design that is still too unsafe for certain uses, such as commercial aviation.
Further difficulties arise from the problem of fitting the pilot, engines, flight equipment and payload all within the depth of the wing section. A wing that is made deep enough to contain all these elements will have an increased frontal area, when compared to a conventional wing and fuselage, which in turn results in higher drag and thus slower speed than a conventional design. Typically the solution adopted in this case is to keep the wing reasonably thin, and the aircraft is then fitted with an assortment of blisters, pods, nacelles, fins and so forth to accommodate all the needs of a practical aircraft.
Other known problems with the flying wing design relate to pitch and yaw. Pitch issues are discussed in the article on tailless aircraft. The problems of yaw are discussed below.


12 posted on 07/30/2011 8:51:39 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yea, it is. I guess coming up with all new production methods for an all composite aircraft isn’t as easy as it sounds. Not to mention dealing with designs issues that pop up with any new aircraft.


13 posted on 07/30/2011 8:55:55 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
Spoilsport
14 posted on 07/30/2011 8:58:14 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: UB355

“The sleek design that uses less aluminum means that a 787 has fewer than 10,000 holes drilled into it during assembly, compared with 1 million holes on a 747, and the number of fasteners on the first barrel section of a 787 has been reduced by 80 percent, Boeing said.”

I’m sure they’ve tested the crap out of this thing butjeeeez that’s a lot of missing fastener.


15 posted on 07/30/2011 8:58:43 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: UB355

I was stationed in Spain in the late 60’s and to this day can recall the incredible public interest when PanAm flew the first 747 into Barcelona. Must have been 25k spectators to see the plane land, and later take off.. (PanAm’s flight was 154..JFK to Lisbon, Barcelona, Nice, Rome, then 155 on the return trip....I flew it often)


16 posted on 07/30/2011 8:59:06 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: TalBlack

There is also a lot of missing aluminum that requires holes and rivets.


17 posted on 07/30/2011 9:07:08 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: UB355

Sooo,
When do ya think Chicago-based Boeing Co. will come to their senses and move to Florida, Tenn, or Texas???
Or some other LOW tax place?


18 posted on 07/30/2011 9:13:37 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Don't trust the F.B.I.)
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To: ASA Vet

And wait you will.


19 posted on 07/30/2011 9:13:48 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: UB355

I don’t even like ferris wheels...you guys can have these things.


20 posted on 07/30/2011 9:15:39 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: UB355
I seem to get caught waiting for the good stuff all the time. I'm still waiting for the Kobe Tai clone I wanted to be ready.
21 posted on 07/30/2011 9:19:35 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

Good luck getting that thing out of a stall, LOL!


22 posted on 07/30/2011 9:23:59 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: American Constitutionalist
By the time they get the 787 into service, it will be a Antique by then.

It may be late, but at least it's an aircraft that customers want, unlike the A380.

23 posted on 07/30/2011 9:23:59 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ASA Vet

Fantastic, get those supersonic and you got the future.


24 posted on 07/30/2011 9:25:25 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: UB355

BTTT


25 posted on 07/30/2011 9:32:25 AM PDT by hattend (As always... FUJM.)
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To: ASA Vet
WOW. I haven't seen those before. Talk about your "Jetsons meet Buck Rogers" spacecraft designs! I wants me one. Better get busy making my next $5-Billion.

;^\/

26 posted on 07/30/2011 9:38:29 AM PDT by Gargantua (those who "teach" will be held to a much higher standard...)
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To: Tolsti2

I love the three-giant engines suspended on a frame above the fuselage. By tilting them slightly upward, mounted with the front a bit higher than the back, the natural lift from the thrust of those engines will maximize the efficient usage of the fuel consumed, and require a less-dense molecular air-lift to maintain flight. I’ll bet those babies can cruise at 40-50,000 ft no problem. Maybe higher.


27 posted on 07/30/2011 9:46:30 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin ~ 2012 "Going Oval On Obunghole")
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To: Gargantua

I truly believe that style will be the future.

The only downside I see if the lack of window seats. I don’t fly anymore since 9/11 and was always super aware when I did and always wanted a window seat. These will be spam in a can style, but I suppose many don’t care. The lifting body will eventually prove itself, might take another 20-30 years or more though.


28 posted on 07/30/2011 9:50:53 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: UB355
A neat time-delay YouTube (2:30) about Boeing building a Florida One aircraft for SouthWest airlines HERE.
29 posted on 07/30/2011 9:56:08 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: AFreeBird

I think the biggest drag on the program was the body section supplier Alenia in Italy passing wrinkled skin to innaproprite fasteners. What a costly decision that was for Boeing. But Airbus is using many of these same suppliers and they have had issues of teir own.


30 posted on 07/30/2011 9:58:56 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: UB355

Gosh, another flying cattle car.

My favorite parts are my knees in my chest, the sweaty fat guy next to me, & the smelly dreadlocks 10 inches from my nose. The prostate exam at the gate makes it all worth it.


31 posted on 07/30/2011 10:51:06 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: AFreeBird

problem with the flying wing will be the seating configuration, only 2 window seats a couple aisle seats and 35 middle seats in each row


32 posted on 07/30/2011 12:32:41 PM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: edzo4

The biggest problem is the people sitting furthest out in the wing, furthest from the centerline, will be barfing their guts out when the plane is manuevering to approach the airport.

They’ll be going up and down 20 or 30 feet at a time. Like a regular roller coaster ride.

A flying wing is a great idea for a bomber or a cargo plane (span loader) but not so much for a multi-hundred passenger plane.


33 posted on 07/31/2011 8:13:50 AM PDT by hattend (As always... FUJM.)
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To: AFreeBird
" Yea, it is. I guess coming up with all new production methods for an all composite aircraft isn’t as easy as it sounds. Not to mention dealing with designs issues that pop up with any new aircraft. "
Yes, that is true, and a good point, but ? there is no excuse in how Boeing mishandled the whole project, mainly management.
The problems they had was not because they were developing new technologies, the problem was with being short sighted in when they could bring this plane to service, and how to managed the production method.
Yes, the new composites needed a learning curve, but, Boeing dropped the ball on this project, they even had to take some resources from another project, the 747-8 and bring it over to the 787 to get it out the door, that's why the 747-8 project suffered.
They basically had to for a lack of better words " fired " one of their suppliers to do the job and built a whole new plant in South Carolina, and almost fired their Italian supplier partner because of spotty work, and sub-par quality on some of the fuselage parts.
34 posted on 07/31/2011 1:13:06 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Moonman62
" It may be late, but at least it's an aircraft that customers want, unlike the A380. "

What customers wanted is a replacement of the 737, however ? engine technology and other technologies that would put it well far and above the current 737 and the A320 performance for that replacement was not mature 3 or 4 years ago to get the gains out of it that the customers want now.
Just take a look at the recent American Airlines order of over 400 new planes, and most of that order went to AirBus, wake up Boeing !
Airbus is going to re-engine the A320 and called it the A320 Neo, they got well over 1000 orders now.
Both Boeing and Airbus say that the technologies for the new replacement, new sheet planes is not there , yet.
Before Boeing introduced the 787, and launched it, they should had matured the composite technology, matured their production methods, and waited another year or two to launch the 787.
They over promised the time frame of when it would be in service, and mis-managed the project from the start, and now it looks as though they have waited to long to launch the re-engined 737... they dropped the ball. there is no excuse for this.
35 posted on 07/31/2011 1:27:35 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ken5050

Even in the early 1970s, 747 sightings were relatively rare. I grew up next to Logan Airport and the planes would come right over my house. Upon hearing a 747 approach, we’d run out of the house to see it as it was still a novelty. You could always tell when it was a 747, it had such a distinctive roar. Back then, only Pan Am and TWA seemed to be flying them.


36 posted on 07/31/2011 1:46:47 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: American Constitutionalist

False...


37 posted on 08/06/2011 7:22:37 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

I actually think it was 2007 - as in 7/8/7, to be exact.


38 posted on 08/06/2011 7:24:25 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: TalBlack

Pretty sure it’s because there are not so many aluminum sections to join together. The fuselage is made from long, contiguous sections the way I understand it. So no need for there to be as many fasteners. A good thing in many ways.


39 posted on 08/06/2011 7:56:17 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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