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Tom Friedman: Bring Back Poppy (Author longs for Bush 41, cap & tax and raising taxes)
The New York Times ^ | July 30, 2011 | Thomas L. Friedman

Posted on 07/30/2011 1:03:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

WATCHING today’s Republicans being led around by an extremist Tea_Party faction, with no adult supervision, I find my mind drifting back to the late 1980s when I was assigned to cover the administration of George H.W. Bush, who I believe is one of our most underrated presidents. I have long admired the elder Bush for the deftness with which he dealt with the collapse of the Soviet empire. But, in later years, I came to admire him even more for the fact that he believed that math and science were not matters of opinion — a view increasingly rare in today’s G.O.P.

Despite having run on the promise of “Read my lips: No new taxes,” when the deficit started spiraling to dangerous levels under his presidency, Bush agreed to a compromise with Democrats to raise several taxes, along with spending cuts, as part of a 1990 budget deal that helped to pave the way for the prosperity of that decade. It definitely hurt his re-election, but he did it anyway.

George H.W. Bush also believed in science. How many Republicans know that he and his aide Boyden Gray pioneered the use of cap-and-trade to deal — very effectively — with the problem of acid rain produced by power-plant emissions?

In an article, “The Political History of Cap and Trade,” published in Smithsonian Magazine in August 2009, Richard Conniff details how “an unlikely mix of environmentalists and free-market conservatives hammered out the strategy known as cap-and-trade.” As Conniff explained it, “Gray liked the marketplace approach, and even before the Reagan administration expired, he put [Environmental Defense Fund] staffers to work drafting legislation to make it happen. ... John Sununu, the White House chief of staff, was furious. He said the cap ‘was going to shut the economy down,’ Boyden Gray recalls....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agw; capandtax; climatechange; globalwarming; obama; palin; taxes; teaparty
Then he'll be happy as a pig in mud if Myth wins the nomination, right?
1 posted on 07/30/2011 1:03:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Goldman Sachs and Wall Street investment banks are laying off tons of traders right now because The Kenyan failed to get Cap and Trade passed.

Now they’re betting on Mitt Romney.


2 posted on 07/30/2011 1:07:44 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“WATCHING today’s Republicans being led around by an extremist Tea_Party faction, with no adult supervision...”

He’s elitist slime. They work for us, they should be led around by us.


3 posted on 07/30/2011 1:09:58 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tom is one smug fool.


4 posted on 07/30/2011 1:19:06 PM PDT by mojito
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet. Writing in the New York Slimes, Thomas L. Friedman shrieks:
I have long admired the elder Bush for the deftness with which he dealt with the collapse of the Soviet empire. But, in later years, I came to admire him even more for the fact that he believed that math and science were not matters of opinion...
Yeah, his name is practically synonymos with that. /s


5 posted on 07/30/2011 1:19:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t this one of the NY Times writers who waxed eloquent about China’s superior political system?


6 posted on 07/30/2011 1:20:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SunkenCiv

I posted yesterday about the Bush/Ford presidents (GH Bush, don’t forget, was the author of the term “Voodoo Economics” on supply-side Reaganomics which worked better than anything else in the past fifty years in stimulating the eocnomy into high-growth, low-inflation, high-wage. These Republican presidents were and are far more popular with the Dems and their media allies than they are with the Republican base because they were ineffectual, they were “nice” (why, old Gerry Ford from the golf club appointed that wonderful John Paul Stevens to the Supreme Court who was as far left as Brennan or Ginsburg) and they could be snookered into a “bipartisan partnership” (and wonderful press from the left’s media acolytes) for a “Big Deal” where the Dems end up with 90 percent of the purported bargain.


7 posted on 07/30/2011 1:31:21 PM PDT by laconic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does this pedantic, vapid simp actually get paid for this tripe?


8 posted on 07/30/2011 1:37:31 PM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Common Sense 101
Does this pedantic, vapid simp actually get paid for this tripe?


9 posted on 07/30/2011 1:42:09 PM PDT by WeatherGuy
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL Where do they get this stuff? From their mass brain farts, I would imagine.


10 posted on 07/30/2011 1:49:32 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SunkenCiv

ROTF. Sarcasm at its finest.


11 posted on 07/30/2011 1:56:28 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: Common Sense 101
Little Tommy Friedman is the Slimes' very own android write-bot who has been programmed deliberately to act like a moronic liberal human. Doesn't it do a fabulous imitation?
12 posted on 07/30/2011 2:06:49 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ah, yes, Tom, for the days when the Republican presidential candidate pool was filled with, as Mark Steyn once put it, decent, dignified losers who knew how to give a great concession speech. Isn’t it a shame some of us got tired of that (not the decent and dignified part, everything after that)? Bad us! Bad! Bad!


13 posted on 07/30/2011 2:14:33 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: jimbo123

Speaks volumes of the Bushies and Romney and wh they really are....big govt elitists which are not that much different from big govt socialists.


14 posted on 07/30/2011 2:19:07 PM PDT by newfreep (I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was George the First that declared we will usher in the New World Order.


15 posted on 07/30/2011 2:19:42 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: SunkenCiv; 2ndDivisionVet

Are you kidding? GHWB tried even harder than Gorby to keep the Soviet Union together as it was collapsing.

“Stability” uber alles.


16 posted on 07/30/2011 2:27:26 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: RichInOC

That’s exactly what I was thinking. The “good old days” when republicans were back benchers who knew their place, were nice and went out with democrats for a beer after work. Notice how after the repubs took over in 1995, (after 40 frickin’ years of dem control) how the “tone” in Washington changed. Only when repubs are in charge, is the political atmosphere poisonous.


17 posted on 07/30/2011 2:27:33 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Where have all the adults in this party gone? Where is Dick Lugar, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Colin Powell, Hank Paulson and Big Business?"

ah, yes, an honor role of conservative leadership!! (sic)

funny how the left wants to define who is acceptable for GOP leadership, while giving us rabid socialists like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer et al as their vision of "moderates"....
18 posted on 07/30/2011 2:28:59 PM PDT by Enchante (Are there any honest politicians in Washington, DC??)
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To: Enchante

oops, that should be honor “roll” of course


19 posted on 07/30/2011 2:33:39 PM PDT by Enchante (Are there any honest politicians in Washington, DC??)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Tom Friedman needs to point me to the Democratic math and science majors. The ones who believe that the road to prosperity lies in pushing the debt ceiling up to 25 trillion dollars.

Ah, you Tea Party rubes! You can't even grasp the simple fact that cutting spending to sustainable levels is suicide!

The way to generate long term wealth, as any 1st year accounting student could tell you, it to spend so much money that you couldn't possibly pay it back, and no one would dare lend you any more. Then, you simply print more money until life is perfect forever.

What simpletons! How can you not grasp this self-evident light, filling the sky like the noon sun in the deep Sahara?

20 posted on 07/30/2011 2:42:50 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: laconic

I have always thought that the entire Bush family consists of Democrat moles sent to destroy the Republican Party from within. I’m sticking to it. It’s my favorite conspiracy theory. ;-)


21 posted on 07/30/2011 2:43:25 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Then he'll be happy as a pig in mud if Myth wins the nomination, right?

Why settle? Just have GHWB run again. I'm sure the left would be tickled pink.

22 posted on 07/30/2011 2:45:28 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’m convinced that the brains of all NY slimes writer’s slid down their Momma’s leg....no other explanation suffices!


23 posted on 07/30/2011 2:47:08 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The All-knowing Twitching Mystical Mustache of Superior Intellect has spoken- not long ago this guy praised China’s fascism, stating that we needed to suspend the Republic here temporarily until things get straightened out.

So take it from there...


24 posted on 07/30/2011 2:50:39 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Until Obama, Rush was constantly saying that Carter was the worst president of last 100 years. I strongly disagree. Bush 41 was. He was a certfied wimp that blatantly lied about not raising taxes. The fact that 62% of the voters voted against him for reelection proves it. Carter got a higher percentage when he ran for reelection and he ran against Renaldous Magnus. That whole Bush family are wimps. Passed down from Poppas dna.


25 posted on 07/30/2011 3:13:34 PM PDT by jubail
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, yes by all means, let’s bring back Poppy. Friedman thinks his presidency was underrated now, huh? Because it was a good thing that he broke his word not to raise taxes. Or was it because he sicced his justice department on the police officers that had been aquitted by a jury of their peers for using the force necessary to place Rodney King under arrest? or maybe because he resigned his membership in NRA and supported the tactics of ATF? or perhaps because the Gulf War had such a good outcome and he exercised such restraint on Saddam Hussein and hung the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs out to dry that we had to do it over again ten years later?


26 posted on 07/30/2011 3:32:12 PM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

Poppy gave us Clarence Thomas, but he also gave us David Souter. So the net effect was a wash. Imagine if Souter was a conservative.


27 posted on 07/30/2011 3:43:32 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“How many Republicans know that he and his aide Boyden Gray pioneered the use of cap-and-trade to deal — very effectively — with the problem of acid rain produced by power-plant emissions?”

This statement is an attempt to create confusion. Something like cap and trade was used to limit Acid rain. But this had nothing to do with carbon emissions.

Acid rain was produced by oxides of sulfur and nitrogen which react with atmospheric moisture to produce acid sulfuric, and nitric acids along with some weaker acids. Any contribution of carbon dioxide on acid rain was negligible.

The use of cap and trade to mitigate emissions that produced of acid rain was doable and successful. Global warming from man- made carbon dioxide is negligible or non- existent.

“John Sununu, the White House chief of staff, was furious. He said the cap ‘was going to shut the economy down”

Yeah, I guess John Sunnunu was a little ahead of his time. It took 20 more years for cap and traders to shut down the economy by preventing fossil fuel exploration. .


28 posted on 07/30/2011 5:01:38 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Acid rain.
Another manufactured crisis.


29 posted on 07/31/2011 3:19:30 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: sinanju

That’s right.
Remember the “Chicken Kiev” speech?


30 posted on 07/31/2011 3:21:20 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: sinanju

That’s right.
Remember the “Chicken Kiev” speech?


31 posted on 07/31/2011 3:21:20 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: sinanju; 2ndDivisionVet

Uh, no.


32 posted on 07/31/2011 9:06:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: lbryce

:’)


33 posted on 07/31/2011 9:17:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As Senator Marco Rubio said yesterday, “if we had $1 billion for every time I heard the words ‘tea party extremist,’ we could solve this debt problem.”


34 posted on 07/31/2011 9:19:26 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Thomas Friedman Impervious to Facts?

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-thomas-friedman-impervious-to-facts-2011-7


35 posted on 07/31/2011 9:21:22 PM PDT by kcvl
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