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Colleen Carroll Campbell: Terri's fight continues
STLToday ^ | 7/28/11 | Colleen Carroll Campbell

Posted on 07/30/2011 1:36:30 PM PDT by wagglebee

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"People think it's coming with Obamacare, but it's already here. It's only going to get worse," Schindler said. "They are going to target our most vulnerable … the people that are going to be costly."

This is exactly what is going to happen.

1 posted on 07/30/2011 1:36:37 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/30/2011 1:37:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/30/2011 1:38:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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New Terri Dailies Theme
 
Special thanks to FReeper Dr. Brian Kopp for last weekend's event in Kansas City, I wish I could have attended.
 


4 posted on 07/30/2011 1:42:58 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The moment the Jeb prototype of the Bush series stood aside and did nothing was the moment, for me, when the “compassionate conservatism” of this potential President shone through in all its glory.


5 posted on 07/30/2011 1:55:41 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux
Yep, that was the day I gave up on the Bush family.
6 posted on 07/30/2011 2:04:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Same here; and it was when I was done the Republican Party. I became Constitutional Conservative Independent, first....done with the faux ones with the “R” after their name.


7 posted on 07/30/2011 2:06:10 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; dagogo redux
George and Jeb Bush both had absolute authority under the US and Florida Constitutions to take custody of Terri, they refused to do so.

I cannot and will not support someone who won't do everything in their power to save an innocent person from being murdered.

8 posted on 07/30/2011 2:09:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Exactly. I’ve posted it a few times, but Medicare pays $28 billion a year for dialysis for 500K people, regardless of age. The weaker or “less valuable” ones could be a huge target.


9 posted on 07/30/2011 2:11:22 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: wagglebee
"Yep, that was the day I gave up on the Bush family."

Me, too. I always believed that if one of them went to see her to find out for himself her condition, nothing would have happened to Terri. I mean, if Bush as president at that time would have gone to the hospice where Terri was dying, who would have stopped HIM??? I later found out that Jeb Bush was the cause of Terri's death. HE signed into law that it was ok to remove food and water from a "vegetative" person. So, HE was going to do nothing to stop it. I will NEVER get over her death - murdered by the State! In the United States of America! Unbelievable.

10 posted on 07/30/2011 2:35:00 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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To: wagglebee
There is an amazingly detailed journey through the legal and court battles concerning this and it can be found here.
11 posted on 07/30/2011 3:01:25 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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One of W’s last acts as governor was to sign a law that said that in TX anyone in Terry’s condition who was receiving state aid to pay their medical bills could be denied food and water/or disconnected from life support if a commitee of doctors and hospital deemed their case hopeless.

And you know what? In my opinion that is a correct law.

IF you are a believer, you know that this life is the most temporary part of your existence and that it will end sooner or later. If you are a conservative you know the government cannot spend unlimited funds and that we have to have priorities. Too many hospitals spend millions of dollars (most of it paid for by the state) to prolong people’s live for weeks or even days when they are clearly dying. Moreover the “life” they provide is a half-life of agonizing pain and semi-consciousness. In Terry’s case, the evidence is crystal clear, her “life” was no life at all, there was nothing left of the critical parts of her brain where thinking and cognition take place. The most horrifying thing I have seen my life is when I volunteered at a hospital where there was a woman who kept her anacephalic (Born without a brain-only a brain stem) baby alive (at a cost of millions of dollars) for nearly a decade because she was convinced, despite the medical impossibility of it, that her baby would “wake up” any day and be perfectly okay.

Only those who fear what lies beyond should spend so much time and energy clinging to this life; not us


12 posted on 07/30/2011 3:24:08 PM PDT by Quis Custodiet
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To: wagglebee

Me too. They could have helped, easily.

They are all phonies when it comes to the Pro-Life cause.


13 posted on 07/30/2011 3:53:04 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Quis Custodiet

You sound like one of those Nazis who wrote the treatise on “Life Devoid of Value” back in 1929.


14 posted on 07/30/2011 3:54:45 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Quis Custodiet

The Master Plan (Blueprint for Obamacare)

http://www.toolan.com/hitler/useless.html


15 posted on 07/30/2011 4:00:17 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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"In Terry’s case, the evidence is crystal clear, her “life” was no life at all, there was nothing left of the critical parts of her brain where thinking and cognition take place."

Quis - you're wrong - she was NOT brain dead - she was interacting with her father just before she died. I saw a video of her laughing with her father - WITH her father, when he was reminding her about something she used to do to tease her mother. She was very much alert, and to slowly starve her because she could not talk is the ultimate atrocity. We have NO right to take another's life, especially if they're just disabled, and in THAT way. You wouldn't even do to a criminal, or even an animal, what they did to Terri. Atrocious and obscene!!! And evil! And, another thing, the parents were willing to care for her at THEIR expense, not the taxpayers'. Her "husband" would not let her go - fought like hell to get her murdered.

16 posted on 07/30/2011 4:44:11 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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In Terry’s case, the evidence is crystal clear, her “life” was no life at all, there was nothing left of the critical parts of her brain where thinking and cognition take place.

Listen newbie, since you have only been here a month there are a few things you might not be aware of:

1. Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum, not some place for you to spew your pro-death utilitarian crap.

2. This is the Terri Dailies thread. Many people who participate in these threads were at the hospice where Terri was murdered. They heard her scream when she was told she was about to be murdered. They know that she understood what was happening.

3. If you believe in God (as you loosely claim) you would realize that He alone decides when it ends, not us. People like you claim to believe, but what you really want to do is impose your will in place of His.

17 posted on 07/30/2011 5:21:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Bull. Go read the autopsy. Her frontal cortex was LIQUID. The Brain on the left is a normal human one and the one on the right is Terry's shortly before she died. The Black area is where brain tissue has been replaced with cerebo-spinal fluid This is why nobody who claimed consciousness for Terry ever were able to show an EEG or CAT scan reading that supported their claim. It's not that they were lying, it's just that what was going on was wishful thinking. Like I've said, I've seen it up close and personal before. The Anacephalic child I observed all those years ago was literally born without a brain.(if you Google picture of the condition you will A) have nightmares for weeks and B) see how obvious it is that there is no brain inside the baby's head) However, she had enough of a brain stem to make her autonomic nervous system work, and occasionally cause twitches and movement that her parent were CONVINCED that it was her attempt to communicate with us and a sign she was going to "wake up" any day now. But that was NEVER going to happen, because it couldn't, and allthe wishing wasn't going to change that. Now, if they had the funds to pay for the millions of dollars a year it took to keep their child alive, more power to them, they have the right to hope and pray all they want and spend their money any way they want. But when its our money, tax money? Sorry but wasting money on a medically hopeless scenario is NOT being fiscally conservative. A line has to be drawn SOMEWHERE. Here's the top three line items in the federal budget: HHS: 1 Trillion Social Secuirty $750 Billion DOD: 600 Billion Here's another fact: 5% of all Medicare recipients account for 50% of the total spending it does every year. There comes a time when we have to ask whether it really is worth it for medicare to cover a $100,000 prostate cancer drug that prolongs lives an average of only 4.1 months longer than the placebo ( http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/medicare-will-pay-for-prostate-cancer-drug/ ) Scientists tell us that ALL men will eventually get Prostate cancer if they live long enough. And everybody has to die of something/ This country is trillions in debt because we are unwilling to make hard choices that previous generations accepted as simple facts of life.
18 posted on 07/30/2011 5:25:45 PM PDT by Quis Custodiet
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ObamaCare is about them coming after the weak with their death panels.

If I don’t protest, then who will protest when they come for me. (with a nod to Martin Niemoller)


19 posted on 07/30/2011 5:28:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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Let me know when he’s zotted.

It’s so sickening that people come here and lie like the death loving liars that they are.


20 posted on 07/30/2011 5:29:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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You may think you're being original, but you're not the first troll to come here with lies attacking Terri Schiavo and other cognitively disabled people.

Cue the music!

21 posted on 07/30/2011 5:29:40 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Quis Custodiet

I vote that you are morally dead. And deserve zotting.


22 posted on 07/30/2011 5:30:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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We’ve all read the actual autopsy. Most of us have copies of it on our hard drive. We don’t need to rely the lies of a troll.

I don’t understand why they hate Terri Schiavo so much. She’s been dead over six years, but somehow, she can never be dead enough for them. They can’t resist an opportunity to bad mouth her.


23 posted on 07/30/2011 5:32:07 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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IBTZ


24 posted on 07/30/2011 5:34:05 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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Bull. Go read the autopsy. Her frontal cortex was LIQUID. The Brain on the left is a normal human one and the one on the right is Terry's shortly before she died. The Black area is where brain tissue has been replaced with cerebo-spinal fluid

Hey troll, why don't you go for two weeks without food or water and we can see how your brain looks.

Here are the FACTS:

1. Terri was conscious and alert when she was murdered.

2. Terri's murder was nothing more than a dress rehearsal for death panels, death panels that YOU SUPPORT.

3. All of your talk about money is meaningless. Terri had plenty of money, money that was stolen by her murderers.

Go back to DU, they were thrilled to see Terri murdered.

25 posted on 07/30/2011 5:35:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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You may think you're being original, but you're not the first troll to come here with lies attacking Terri Schiavo and other cognitively disabled people.

I'm willing to bet that this isn't this troll's first time.

26 posted on 07/30/2011 5:39:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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This troll’s timing sucks. I can’t stick around and watch the blood thirsty bastard ride the lightening. Would you save me a copy of whatever gets deleted?


27 posted on 07/30/2011 5:41:44 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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You totally misunderstand the Shiavo case, Quis. It isn’t about government money keeping someone alive. It’s about a judge forbidding someone trying to use natural means to keep her alive: feeding her naturally, giving her water naturally.

If they folks wanted to sit there with a spoon and a bottle, then they were actively (a probably futilely) giving of themselves to keep her living naturally.

The judge’s order forbade any effort on her behalf, and it was therefore an order decreeing the homicide of Terri Shiavo.

The same with any ill person. If they can be kept alive with natural methods, then it is necessary to continue those methods to honor life and to avoid homicide.

Call me nuts, but Shiavo’s homicide was the beginning of very bad times for America.


28 posted on 07/30/2011 5:42:53 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: BykrBayb
The troll has no cognitive ability, frying him will free up bandwidth.
29 posted on 07/30/2011 5:43:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Quis Custodiet
This country is trillions in debt because we are unwilling to make hard choices that previous generations accepted as simple facts of life.

Sorry. We're not trillions in debt because we don't off enough weak and helpless human beings. We're trillions in debt, and our moral underpinnings are coming undone, because of folks like yourself who place little or no value on the life of the innocent.

30 posted on 07/30/2011 5:46:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (They've swindled every penny out of the living, so now they've moved on to looting posterity.)
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There comes a time when we have to ask whether it really is worth it for medicare to cover a $100,000 prostate cancer drug that prolongs lives an average of only 4.1 months longer than the placebo ( http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/medicare-will-pay-for-prostate-cancer-drug/ )

Like a typical pro-death troll you are taking your talking points from a NEW YORK TIMES BLOG.

You are truly pathetic.

31 posted on 07/30/2011 5:48:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Quis Custodiet
Sorry but wasting money on a medically hopeless scenario is NOT being fiscally conservative. A line has to be drawn SOMEWHERE.

You seem to be a mental and moral vegetable. How's about we draw that line with YOU?

32 posted on 07/30/2011 5:49:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (They've swindled every penny out of the living, so now they've moved on to looting posterity.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Great idea!
33 posted on 07/30/2011 5:50:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Thumbs down!


34 posted on 07/30/2011 5:56:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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They love death, they hate Life, and naturally hate the Author of all Life.

There are those who love God and therefore love all Life, and those who hate Him and therefore hate all Life.

She symbolizes Life and God’s love, so they hate her.

They reveal the darkness in their hearts by their own words.


35 posted on 07/30/2011 5:58:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Death lovers see mercy and loving kindness as faults and weakness. They worship cruelty and evil, it’s really amazing.


36 posted on 07/30/2011 6:03:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Lock ‘em in a hospice room for a couple of weeks with no food or hydration. Since they obviously have no human feelings, they obviously won’t feel a thing!


37 posted on 07/30/2011 6:04:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (They've swindled every penny out of the living, so now they've moved on to looting posterity.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Then they can experience the ecstasy they condemn onto others.


38 posted on 07/30/2011 6:06:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Since they obviously have no human feelings, they obviously won’t feel a thing!

Not true, I distinctly remember hearing that being dehydrated to death produces euphoria (even in those who are "brain dead").

39 posted on 07/30/2011 6:07:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Quis Custodiet

zot


40 posted on 07/30/2011 6:10:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: wagglebee

I will never forget Terri.


41 posted on 07/30/2011 6:10:54 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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Thanks Jim!
42 posted on 07/30/2011 6:11:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Well deserved zot.


43 posted on 07/30/2011 6:15:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Quis Custodiet; wagglebee
Go read the autopsy

Please DO read it. The doctor that did the autopsy clearly states that one cannot judge function on a dead brain. Once a brain "dies" it loses mass and weight AND it no longer functions.

44 posted on 07/30/2011 6:19:58 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: dagogo redux

There’s no doubt that this event was a defining moment for me.

I’ve had to surrender bitterness and resentment towards the Bushes and the Republican insiders, but that doesn’t change my conviction that they are fraudulent pro-lifers.


45 posted on 07/30/2011 6:49:01 PM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: xzins

Things have really gone downhill since Terri’s death, although September 11, 2001 was pretty bad, too.


46 posted on 07/30/2011 6:55:32 PM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: wagglebee

You’re exactly right about their powers, wagglebee. And I stopped supporting the fake conservative long before he got out of office. He and his brother....I only pray that God deals with them the way they ought to have been dealt with here over Terri.


47 posted on 07/30/2011 7:15:23 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you Jim.


48 posted on 07/30/2011 7:29:54 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Quis Custodiet
"Bull. Go read the autopsy. Her frontal cortex was LIQUID. "

Yes, that was the AUTOPSY. AFTER she'd been starved and dehydrated TO DEATH! What do you think YOUR brain would look like after such an atrocious ordeal? I saw the video - she was laughing right along with her father, and it was a knowing/remembering laugh. And you CAN tell the difference in laughs. She was NOT "vegatative". And, anyway, IF she were "vegatative, what gives us the right to kill her?? Do we kill EVERYONE who is not responsive the way we would like them to be?? Who are YOU, anyway, that says she had to die. Who appointed YOU God???

49 posted on 07/30/2011 7:41:19 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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YES!!!


50 posted on 07/30/2011 7:43:45 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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