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Annihilating Democracy with the Tea Party
SPIEGEL ONLINE ^ | 07/29/2011 | Gregor Peter Schmitz

Posted on 07/31/2011 6:55:26 AM PDT by skimbell

America's Founding Fathers thought of everything. They wanted to establish several centers of power in Washington rather than just one. They wanted the occupant of the White House to be strong, but Congress was to have the power to check that strength. The friction between Capitol Hill and the White House -- a product of this system of checks and balances -- was to make the decisions of America's leaders cleverer, wiser and better...

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"But the system only works when all branches of government play the role designed for them..."

I wonder how Herr Schmitz explains 0's "I won" reasoning for his power grab, in terms of the working together that he (Schmitz) claims is "essential" to the correct functioning of American government?

Love the pic though...


1 posted on 07/31/2011 6:55:31 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: skimbell

‘Bout time we did something about this “democracy” crap.
We’re supposed to be a Republic!


2 posted on 07/31/2011 6:58:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: skimbell

Drop dead, Spiegel. You have no standing, nor moral stance qualification others. I’m a Kraut, and I thank God my ancestors left Germany over 145 years ago.


3 posted on 07/31/2011 7:00:03 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: skimbell

They wanted to establish ‘’several centers of power’’? What is this idiot talking about?


4 posted on 07/31/2011 7:00:36 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: skimbell

Herr Schmitz has never had a real job in his life and it shows.

5 posted on 07/31/2011 7:01:45 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: bcsco

Imagine that, ‘Euros’ giving us advice on how to tackle DEBT issues.


6 posted on 07/31/2011 7:03:19 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: skimbell

Uh huh. Getting lectured on Democracy by a bunch of German Socialists, with half the country nostalgic for the good old days of the DGR and the Stasi.


7 posted on 07/31/2011 7:03:46 AM PDT by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: skimbell

Yes, this “Democracy” needs to be razed to the ground and replaced with a CONSTITUTIONAL Republic.


8 posted on 07/31/2011 7:05:17 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: skimbell

Achtung! BARF.


9 posted on 07/31/2011 7:06:01 AM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

The author is an idiot.

The Tea Party is trying to reduce spending.

The most certain way to end our form of government is to spend to the point that taxation enslaves the people.

The Tea Party intends to prevent that.


10 posted on 07/31/2011 7:07:00 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: The Bronze Titan

Went back to my comment. Boy, I sure botched that second sentence. Too much coffee before having breakfast...


11 posted on 07/31/2011 7:08:42 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: skimbell

Maybe the author should have thought about the 17th Amendment and direct election of Senators before he put pen to paper. Democracy was the last thing the founders wanted. The Electoral College is next on the chopping block. After that, it will be back to the now emasculated Senate, and to somehow do away with the silly and unfair notion that each state is allotted two Senators.


12 posted on 07/31/2011 7:09:05 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: jmacusa
Spiegel is both correct and wrong.

Yes, our Founding fathers wanted to establish several centers of power - they were called States.

No, our Found fathers did not want to centralize power in one location.

If you take a close look at Washington DC circa 1790 it was not a good place to establish a national capitol. The weather in summer was miserable. Add to this the diseases common to 18th century swamps and Washington DC was a comfortable environment for only six months. Until the advent of air conditioning DC had two distinct life styles. One was when Congress wasn't in session (a small Southern town) and one when Congress was in session (a major Northern city).

Hmmm.

Perhaps we can ban air conditioned government buildings inside the beltway as a way of reducing the over bearing federal Government?/s/

13 posted on 07/31/2011 7:09:50 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: skimbell
It's really refreshing to get a lesson in civics from a German.


14 posted on 07/31/2011 7:11:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: skimbell
Lachen laut! Das ist Deutsche fur "laughing out loud".

That's just what the world needs. Another Germany style "democracy". Say, Herr Scheisse, what is The Fatherland's unemployment rate these days?

What is the last great invention to come out of Deutschland since Gummi Bears?

15 posted on 07/31/2011 7:11:12 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: jmacusa

He’s almost right for the wrong reason. The Founding Fathers wanted several centers of power, but Washington DC wasn’t one of them.


16 posted on 07/31/2011 7:11:22 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: skimbell

I think Rubio’s little speech on the Senater floor, where he quoted “Radical” debt ceiling sound bites from none other than Reid, Obama, and Biden, and promptly read to the Senate their words on debt ceiling raises 4 years ago as exactly what the Tea party was saying today.....sort of put to rest the propaganda pouring forth from the Media types.

Democrats are not smarter than 5th graders.


17 posted on 07/31/2011 7:11:59 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: skimbell
Annihilating Democracy with the Tea Party

Annihilate away.

The only "democracy" I could appreciate is one where only the private sector taxpayers can vote.

18 posted on 07/31/2011 7:13:05 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: skimbell
feh... what the hell does some EuroTrashole know about democracy let alone freedom???
19 posted on 07/31/2011 7:13:12 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: skimbell

Somehow these inbred morons don’t seem to mind when a million people show up in the streets and protest a war—all running clearly against democracy.

I’ll further note it has been the Tea Party crafting legislation. This “Schmitz” cat wants the Tea Party to collaborate with the other side and to play its part when the “other side” is too busy doing nothing, having crafted zero legislation as the Titanic approaches the iceberg.

We have a debt ceiling for a reason. It’s supposed to function as a cut-off valve, the end of the road, something not to be passed.


20 posted on 07/31/2011 7:13:12 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: The Bronze Titan
Imagine that, ‘Euros’ giving us advice on how to tackle DEBT issues.

Like Hunter Thomas advising you on beating drug addiction.

21 posted on 07/31/2011 7:14:55 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: skimbell

Der Spiegel ran an opinion piece a week or two ago arguing that Europe needed less democracy and more centralized power with rule by elites, so this view on US comes as no great surprise.

The less democracy, more centralized power article can be read at http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,773071,00.html

Jack


22 posted on 07/31/2011 7:15:56 AM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: Nip

Thanks for the info. Yes, lets ban ac for the pols in DC and maybe they’ll get things done faster. And in keeping with the ‘’separation of church and state’’ thing , I say keep the government open on Christmas. (sar.)


23 posted on 07/31/2011 7:17:08 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Little Ray

The TEA party is scaring the crap out of the international socialists, and we’ve just really started.


24 posted on 07/31/2011 7:20:16 AM PDT by MCF
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To: skimbell
Not only is the German statist apparently averse to personal hygiene, he's also a plagiarist.

Not so for his protégé Gregor Peter Schmitz. A reader referred me to this post on BLOGBAR where blogger DonAlphonso discovered that a recent piece of "reporting" by Schmitz was in fact a verbatim translation of a Washington Post story. Here is just one of the passages that DonAlphonso highlights:....

Does Der Speigel plagiarize?

25 posted on 07/31/2011 7:21:42 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: skimbell

The Tea Parties are composed of middle class, middle-of-the-road Middle Americans. There’s nothing Right Wing about them.

All they ask is for the crooked, self aggrandizing politicians to KNOCK IT OFF and work for us instead of for the Communists!


26 posted on 07/31/2011 7:22:19 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: skimbell
Annihilating Democracy Socialism with the Tea Party

Title fixed.

27 posted on 07/31/2011 7:24:12 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bcsco

The Germans had a unique method with dealing with the unemployment rate, they were called ovens. I guess this guy longs for the good old days.


28 posted on 07/31/2011 7:25:33 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Texas Eagle
Say, Herr Scheisse, what is The Fatherland's unemployment rate these days?

Better than ours.

US unemployment rate


29 posted on 07/31/2011 7:25:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: skimbell

Another Harvard grad.....

There seems to be a LOT of “experts” who have graduated from Harvard.

Those “experts” have been in charge of our govt. for several years, and look at all the good they’ve done. /s


30 posted on 07/31/2011 7:26:59 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: skimbell

Every time I see the word “democracy” I reach for my Constitution. I’ve seen the “d” word in at least two thread titles this morning.


31 posted on 07/31/2011 7:27:41 AM PDT by don-o (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: skimbell

The author is full of Schmitz.

He shows no real understanding of the things about which he pontificates. Rather, he seems to be one of those all-too-common, ignore-the-inconvenient-truths, let’s-all-just-jump-on-the-bandwagon sorts, a typical light-weight thinker of the unproductive chattering classes.

The guy uncritically accepts Obama’s statements as if they were true. He seems to believe that David Brooks is a Conservative (guffaw!).

Tell me again, why should anybody with even half a brain (tied behind his back or not) take him seriously?


32 posted on 07/31/2011 7:28:41 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: skimbell
This is just the beginning folks. The DNC/Media Complex is in full campaign mode. For the next 18 months we will be inundated with stories upon stories of the evil Tea Party movement.

They tried a total media blackout in 2009 & 2010 and we made huge gains.

Hang tough, rumors of the Tea party’s early demise will be greatly exaggerated.

33 posted on 07/31/2011 7:29:35 AM PDT by John 3_19-21
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To: skimbell
Actually, the TEA party signifies that the Constitution is working fine...it gives the power to the PEOPLE, and that is exactly what the TEA party movement is all about (or at least it started that way).

Der Spiegel is rattling on about a principle that Germany does not have and doesn't even understand - I know, I was married to one for 10 years. They are steeped in socialism and the concept of freedom is limited in their understanding of life on this planet.

Our system is made up of checks and balances to insure that we do not have another "king", or dictator...the last wall to that end is the people, and the TEA party movement IS the people.
34 posted on 07/31/2011 7:29:50 AM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: skimbell

>Most Americans, after all, are also familiar with the Founding Fathers that the Tea Party movement is so fond of citing. And what did Jefferson, Washington, Madison and the others say when their young republic was forced to borrow money? The state, they said, had to pay its debts. On that point, they knew no compromise.<

So if the US cuts spending down to a rate below its income, “the state, they said, had to pay its debts”. Would the state not then pay its debts?

What a pea wit.


35 posted on 07/31/2011 7:31:05 AM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: skimbell
I wanted to leave a comment, but apparently Der Speigel doesn't allow commentary on their hit pieces.
36 posted on 07/31/2011 7:31:11 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: Sporke
Another Harvard grad.....

There seems to be a LOT of “experts” who have graduated from Harvard.

Those “experts” have been in charge of our govt. for several years, and look at all the good they’ve done. /s

Being from Harvard means never having to say you're sorry.

Instead, you just say: "It's the new normal."

37 posted on 07/31/2011 7:32:31 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: SuzyQue

Der “Spiegel”, not “Speigel.”


38 posted on 07/31/2011 7:32:46 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: skimbell

I love being lectured to on democracy by the grandson of these guys.

39 posted on 07/31/2011 7:34:25 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: kabar
Yeah, well. What is Germany's total population? Something like 10,000? It doesn't take much for it to drop that much. In 2006, Germany's unemployment rate was something like 12%.

Regardless, the world doesn't need two Germanys.

40 posted on 07/31/2011 7:36:33 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: FrankR

Essentially, the Germans gave up the nationalistic agressive part of Nazi philosophy,, and kept the rest. They are basically pacifist nazis. This article is a classic example. Obama, the charismatic socialist leader complete with his own personal symbol and iconic art, is being obstructed by people who don’t agree.

To a German this is horrifying. People are supposed to obey their leaders. Germany is the nation of the obedient follower, living withing rules. There is little room there for people who think they should have a voice.


41 posted on 07/31/2011 7:43:45 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: skimbell

According to the author, democracy cannot coexist with principles. Only compromise can. Which is why the Founders gave us a republic.


42 posted on 07/31/2011 7:45:33 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: skimbell

The Founders wanted divided power that the people could influence, through political bodies like the Tea Party, and federal bodies like states. Big government wants centralized power, as in czars and Obooboo, Stalin, Hitler, Mao and so on. But that’s not something a Marxist would understand. The Tea Party is the Founders, just as excessive spending is big government.


43 posted on 07/31/2011 7:50:39 AM PDT by pallis
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To: skimbell

This next election is going to put them in catatonic shock. Im going to laugh myself silly watching them.


44 posted on 07/31/2011 7:55:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: skimbell
Annihilating Democracy with the Tea Party

This is war. Enough said.

45 posted on 07/31/2011 7:58:20 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: skimbell

Obviously this guy gets his talking points from the DNC. “Experts agree” that we should cut spending and raise taxes. Exactly whose “experts” are we talking about Mr. Schmitz? Yes, raise taxes in the middle of a struggling economy. What a great idea. (smirk) I’ll bet this clown has a huge picture of Obama in his apartment. Seig Heil , Mein Fuhrer Obama.


46 posted on 07/31/2011 8:03:49 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Little Ray

Republic is right. Plus, there’s never been any friction when democrats controll congress and the white house. It’s always a love fest.


47 posted on 07/31/2011 8:04:01 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I enjoy getting on Windflier's nerves.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Yeah, well. What is Germany's total population? Something like 10,000?

LOL. 81.5 miilion. You couldn't look that up?

Germany is the largest national economy in Europe, the fourth-largest by nominal GDP in the world, and fifth by GDP (PPP) in 2008. Since the age of industrialization, the country has been a driver, innovator, and beneficiary of an ever more globalized economy. Germany is the world's second largest exporter with $1.120 trillion exported in 2009 (Eurozone countries are included). Exports account for more than one-third of national output.

48 posted on 07/31/2011 8:06:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: DesertRhino
Germany is the nation of the obedient follower, living withing rules. There is little room there for people who think they should have a voice.

How do you come to that conclusion? Do you know how many political parties (opinions) are represented in the German Parliament?

49 posted on 07/31/2011 8:09:39 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
LOL. 81.5 miilion. You couldn't look that up?

>Still and all. Germany's population is roughly a quarter of The U.S.'s so it doesn't take that much to change the rate dramatically.

Besides, Germany is a largely Socialist state and we don't want to become Germany.

50 posted on 07/31/2011 8:12:40 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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