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China Says Carrier Won't Alter Naval Strategy (Be Used for "Research, Experiments and Training")
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 228, 2011 | Jeremy Page

Posted on 07/31/2011 9:02:23 AM PDT by lbryce

China's Defense Ministry said its first aircraft carrier would be used for "research, experiments and training" and would not affect its defensive naval strategy, in an apparent attempt to ease regional concerns that the vessel could be used to enforce Chinese territorial claims.

Senior Col. Geng Yansheng, a Defense Ministry spokesman, also confirmed for the first time that Chinese pilots were training to operate from the carrier, which is based on an empty hull bought from Ukraine, and which is due to start sea trials this summer. But he said it would take a long time to become fully operational.

"Building an aircraft carrier is extremely complex and at present we are using a scrapped aircraft carrier platform to carry out refurbishment for the purposes of technological research, experiments and training," Col. Geng said, according to a Chinese transcript of a monthly Defense Ministry news conference published on its web site.

Asked about media reports that the vessel would be launched on Aug. 1, China's Army Day, he said: "There is not a question of when this ship is launched, because it has been in the water all along. As for the precise timetable for the ship beginning sea trials, it will be decided according to the schedule of the refurbishment project."

He also dismissed a question suggesting that China's sudden relative openness about the carrier was linked to recent tensions in the South China Sea, where China has conflicting territorial claims with Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei, and has warned the U.S. to stop reconnaissance operations.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; china; military; navair; navy
China's Defense Ministry said its first aircraft carrier would be used for "research, experiments and training". Yeah. And our nuclear arsenal is for Chinese New Year fireworks display.
1 posted on 07/31/2011 9:02:26 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

bttt


2 posted on 07/31/2011 9:13:24 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: lbryce

Maybe the PLAN should paint a big “RESEARCH” on the side, like the Japanese whaling ships.

That should prove it’s not a warship.


3 posted on 07/31/2011 9:16:29 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (We are not tea partiers ... we're good tea partiers. Life-long tea partiers)
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To: lbryce

Reminds me of Japan killing and processing Whales purely for scientific studies and research.
Are ALL gub mints full of pooh?
I know ours is.


4 posted on 07/31/2011 9:17:36 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Don't trust the F.B.I.)
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To: lbryce

I’m sure they’ve already stolen enough American technology to make a good go of it. China’s weakness is their enlisted personnel. As long as you have rank-and-file that are slave labor and discouraged from thinking, you’ll never have a decent military.


5 posted on 07/31/2011 9:20:57 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: lbryce
Any official reasurrance about this aircraft carrier should not be believed.

It was purchased at auction for US$20 million by Chong Lot Travel Agency, a company widely believed to be a front for Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN)[5] Chong Lot stated that the ship would become a floating entertainment center and casino in the Chinese SAR of Macau.

6 posted on 07/31/2011 9:23:33 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: lbryce

Bah, destruction of a carrier is a declaration of nuclear war. They’ll put that carrier in our way somewhere, some time...


7 posted on 07/31/2011 9:24:23 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: TEXOKIE
Yea, I guess the manufacturing 59,000 computer chips by the Chinese for use by the American military in weapons platforms with back doors built to shut down operation of these weapons systems was simply just a mere mistake or an accident.

The Chicoms are not our friends. Our own government has allowed American corporations to outsource willy nilly sensitive technology to the Chicoms on a retarded promise that this technology will not be used to develop weapons systems against the American military.

We have some real stupid leaders, I mean real stupid.

This is not a free trade issue, this is a national security issue.

8 posted on 07/31/2011 9:35:46 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: lbryce
Actually, research, training, and experiments is about right. That's about all its sister ship, the Russian (ex-Soviet) Admiral Kuznetsov, has been used for since it was placed in commission in 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Flota_Sovetskogo_Soyuza_Kuznetsov_aircraft_carrier

Kuznetsov has spent most of its time pierside.

The Chinese one will probably do the same once China finds out how expensive it is to buy, train and operate it, its CAG, and the associated ships of the CVBG - especially when almost all of its near abroad missions can be fulfilled by shore-based aircraft using aerial refueling to fly out from its long north to south coastline.

9 posted on 07/31/2011 9:38:59 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: servantboy777

“Free trade” as currently practiced, IS about national security.

America is de-industrializing, and arming the world’s next superpower. Our next growing adversary.

A monolith, which we ignore foolishly.

Remember when “free traders” argued that sending our jobs to China would make the country democratic?

Only thing it’s done is make us WEAKER, BROKE AND HOBBLED.

“Free trade” is driving America’s speeding decline.


10 posted on 07/31/2011 9:43:49 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (We are not tea partiers ... we're good tea partiers. Life-long tea partiers)
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To: lbryce
[A Chinese company purchased the empty hull of a carrier called the Varyag from Ukraine in 1998, on the understanding that it would be used as a floating casino. . .]

They had it right the first time.

11 posted on 07/31/2011 10:12:35 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: lbryce

“And our first experiment is, ‘How many bombs must we drop before Taiwan surrenders?’”


12 posted on 07/31/2011 10:24:00 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

You seem to have the hang of things. :-)


13 posted on 07/31/2011 10:26:28 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: lbryce

mmmm... Maybe it will have a “Forrestal” accident and they will get a reality check on carrier ops.


14 posted on 07/31/2011 10:32:33 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: mrsmith

My guess they will load it up with Helicopters and use it in their invasion of Taiwan. That kind of operation they could handle. Now its just a fancy hood ornament to show their power. But, don’t be lulled into a false idea that they will not use their new toy to expand Chinese goals.


15 posted on 07/31/2011 11:20:23 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
Victor Belenko defected to the West in his MiG-25 (1976). One of the things Belenko wanted to see was an American aircraft carrier in operation.

Eventually his wish was granted and he spent a day riding “the boat.” Victor flew on and off in the COD (carrier onboard delivery) — a Grumman C-1. He watched flight ops (launch and recovery) and freely mingled with the crew.

He was astounded by the professionalism and competence of even the lowest enlisted to the captain of the ship and CAG (carrier air group commander). Belenko said that the communists told his pilots the American sailors were pirates and mercenaries. After seeing things for himself, Belenko saw the propaganda for the lie it was.

Belemko said the Soviets had nothing comparable to carrier aviation and it would take them a long, long time to develop the kind of well-oiled machine he'd witnessed aboard ship.

Just before he left, the ship gave him a Naval Aviator's leather flight jacket with all the squadron badges. Belenko treasured that gift like no other. He was paranoid that someone might steal it (never happened). Later, Belenko and GEN Chuck Yeager became fast friends.

16 posted on 07/31/2011 11:25:02 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Maybe, at this point I think it’s too easy for them to ‘buy’ Taiwan though.

It would make a cheap airbase in the far Yellow sea to impress it’s neighbors- or more. Could drop by those ‘disputed’ ocean oil deposits some time for some ‘research’. Friendly visits to South America and Africa
could yield profitable research in the future.


17 posted on 07/31/2011 11:31:22 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: magslinger

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18 posted on 07/31/2011 12:09:54 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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19 posted on 07/31/2011 12:31:40 PM PDT by magslinger (How do you say 'Forward Operating Base' in Arabic? 'Mosque.')
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To: MasterGunner01

“Victor Belenko defected to the West in his MiG-25 (1976). One of the things Belenko wanted to see was an American aircraft carrier in operation”
__________________________________________________________________________________

Yes. I remember ther story well. And his tarp draped Mig 25 sitting on that Japanese airfield

During my first year in college, my Composition I instructor asked us to write a short story to be turned in
before the end of class. She asked us to write about who we considered to be heroes. I wrote about Viktor Belenko and how he made a decision to leave what was a very prestigious and promising career in The Soviet Union, a fighter pilot, and find out for himself if the stories about life in the west were true or not.

He was told famine was common in the west. He said that he was always suspicious that these stories were lies. I think it was heroic that he gave up that life to satisfy in his own mind if freedom really existed in the west.


20 posted on 07/31/2011 12:36:14 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
My guess they will load it up with Helicopters and use it in their invasion of Taiwan. That kind of operation they could handle.

The Japanese must be secretly laughing at the Chinese. Don't the Japanese already have three aircraft carriers, currently used for helicopters but easily converted for jet aircraft? And the Chinese can't build one from scratch. Pathetic.

21 posted on 07/31/2011 1:59:42 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat

There is a big difference between a a 14,000 ton light carrier (I mean helicopter destroyer) and a 50,000 ton carrier. The Japanese helicopter destroyers may or may not be able to operate aircraft they don’t have like the JSF or Harrier.


22 posted on 07/31/2011 2:45:18 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
There is a big difference between a a 14,000 ton light carrier (I mean helicopter destroyer) .....

That was the displacement of USS Wasp and USS Ranger. Both were sunk in action against the Japanese.

Last I heard, the Japanese were still operating the F-4J Phantom II in some capacity. Phantoms failed to intercept Captain Belenko's MiG-25, but I think they'd still be competitive with the J-7's and J-8's the Chinese employ in profusion; it was a J-8 that collided with that EP-3 in 2001.

23 posted on 07/31/2011 5:23:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: rmlew

Actually 43,000 ton carrier. But yes, a difference between 14K ton and 43K ton ships. The Japanese carriers are called destroyers because their constitution forbids them to have “carriers”. But they’re carriers, and they can handle fixed wing aircraft like Harriers, if the Japanese want them to. And they have them now. With 18k ton carriers joining them soon. Point is, the Chinese have a lot of catching up to do. They are a paper tiger at the moment.


24 posted on 07/31/2011 7:22:17 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: NeverForgetBataan
To his credit, Belenko made a good life for himself as an aerospace engineer. He married and had one child. He's since divorced. He successfully resisted the siren song of the KGB and ex-wife in the USSR to come back. Many Soviet defectors did not or could not adjust to life in the West and returned.
25 posted on 07/31/2011 10:36:30 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: lentulusgracchus
That was the displacement of USS Wasp and USS Ranger. Both were sunk in action against the Japanese.

Yes, no and no. The first carrier to bear the name USS Wasp, CV-7, displaced about 14,000 as a downsized Yorktown class carrier. She was sunk by a Japanese submarine off Guadalcanal. USS Ranger served in the Atlantic for the entire war. I don't believe she ever faced the Japanese. The second carrier named USS Wasp (CV-18) was an Essex Class fleet carrier, and also served in the Pacific. She weighed about 28,000 tons. The current USS Wasp LHD-1, is a Marine carrier, weighing 41,000 tons. I believe that the F-35B is being tested aboard her now.

The Independence class CVLs (modified light cruisers) weighed 11,000 tons. The Saipan class (modified heavy creuisers) light aircraft carriers, weight 14,000 tons.

Last I heard, the Japanese were still operating the F-4J Phantom II in some capacity. Phantoms failed to intercept Captain Belenko's MiG-25, but I think they'd still be competitive with the J-7's and J-8's the Chinese employ in profusion; it was a J-8 that collided with that EP-3 in 2001.
The Japanese are phasing these out. Currently, they are looking for a plane to replace these. I believe the contenders are the Eurofighter Typhoon, the F-15 Silent Eagle and the F-18E. They really wanted the F-22, but we chose not to sell those.

26 posted on 08/01/2011 12:39:34 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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