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Black Caucus urges Obama to use 14th Amendment debt fix (Compare to Emancipation Proclamation!)
The Hill ^ | July 30, 2011 | Mike Lillis

Posted on 07/31/2011 10:03:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) urged President Obama on Saturday to sidestep Congress and hike the nation's $14.3 trillion debt limit on his own.

In a letter to the president, the lawmakers argue that he has "both the authority and a moral obligation" to invoke the Constitution's 14th Amendment "to avoid an economic catastrophe of historic proportions."

"We must not allow a political deadlock to cause the United States to default for the first time in our history," the CBC members wrote. "Now that Congress has borrowed money and incurred debt, we cannot – as a nation and under our Constitution – walk away."

The lawmakers join a growing chorus of Democrats – including Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.) and Caucus Chairman John Larson (Conn.) – who have called on Obama to invoke the Constitution as a last resort to prevent a government default.

Supporters argue that the 14th Amendment – which says "the validity of the public debt … shall not be questioned" – empowers the president to act unilaterally.

Obama has all but ruled out that option.

"I have talked to my lawyers," he said at a town hall meeting last week. "They are not persuaded that that is a winning argument."

The CBC members disagree, arguing that it's his obligation "to do that which is necessary for the good of the country."

"Just as President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation at a time of emergency in our nation's history to free those who were enslaved during the Civil War, today you face a looming calamity that in some respects is just as grave," they wrote.

Only one CBC member – Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) – did not endorse the letter.


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This will establish a dictatorship.
1 posted on 07/31/2011 10:03:42 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) urged President Obama on Saturday to sidestep Congress and hike the nation's $14.3 trillion debt limit on his own.

I love how the journalist had to clarify the DEMOCRAT members of the CBC did this--noting at the end that the only CONSTITUTIONALIST among the group, Allen West of Florida, did NOT endorse the action.

2 posted on 07/31/2011 10:06:45 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Plan.


3 posted on 07/31/2011 10:08:39 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How did this country end up with so many stupid people?


4 posted on 07/31/2011 10:09:27 AM PDT by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting and lying to me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the welfare hos don’t get the gubment check for a couple of months, they will find a job.

CBC is just desperate to protect them. And the masses of its “peoples” working for the Federal beast.


5 posted on 07/31/2011 10:10:37 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These people don't understand, or don't remember (or don't care) the last time we had the Get-along-gang with the democrats, when the Country was clamoring for something Else, but they were deaf dumb and blind too it. The Whigs just wanted to get along with the Dems, so the People formed the Republican Party, which as we all know that lead to the Civil War.

We are being shoved in that exact same direction, And not a Damn one of them realizes it. We are living in the Most Frightening times for the Union in a 150 years, and the ruling class is just like "sucks"

G-D Help us.

6 posted on 07/31/2011 10:11:19 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If Sarah can't be elected in 2012, then Phase II will fall into place, may G-D have mercy on us all)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The comparison to the Emancipation Proclamation ignores historical fact. Here is a brief history from Wikipedia:

Lincoln issued the Proclamation under his authority as "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy" under Article II, section 2 of the United States Constitution.[3] As such, he had the martial power to suspend civil law in those states which were in rebellion. He did not have Commander-in-Chief authority over the four slave-holding states that had not seceded: Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware. The Emancipation Proclamation was never challenged in court. To ensure the abolition of slavery everywhere in the U.S., Lincoln pushed for passage of the Thirteenth Amendment. Congress passed it by the necessary 2/3 vote in February 1865 and it was ratified by the states by December 1865.[4]

Note that the Emancipation Proclamation was a war-time effort, and only applied to states that were in rebellion against the Union, and thus did not apply to all the slaveholding states.

As far as I know, there are currently no US states in open armed rebellion against the United States, and thus the President has no CIC justification to invoke.

7 posted on 07/31/2011 10:11:27 AM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This will establish a dictatorship.

Yes, and the next thing he should do is disband the legislature, for the good of the country.

Somebody said something like: Any form of government given sufficient time will revert to tyranny.

The constitution has been shredded, the character and morals of the country have been debased, and the basic order of civilization is under attack. We are becoming farm animals.

8 posted on 07/31/2011 10:15:59 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They're socialists don't call them liberals)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Black Caucus. Broadcasting their stupidity individually and as a group.


9 posted on 07/31/2011 10:16:36 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Now that Congress has borrowed money and incurred debt, we cannot – as a nation and under our Constitution – walk away.”

They write in the third person. They should say:

“Now that WE, THE MEMBERS of Congress HAVE borrowed money and incurred debt, we cannot – as a nation and under our Constitution – walk away.”

Their actions put us here, not some unknown ‘congress’.


10 posted on 07/31/2011 10:17:16 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: donhunt
How did this country end up with so many stupid people?

It began in the 1960s when the commies took over America's educational system.

Communist Goals (1963)
Documention below
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

11 posted on 07/31/2011 10:17:16 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Maceman
"As far as I know, there are currently no US states in open armed rebellion against the United States, and thus the President has no CIC justification to invoke."

Yet

if we continue down this path.

12 posted on 07/31/2011 10:17:30 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If Sarah can't be elected in 2012, then Phase II will fall into place, may G-D have mercy on us all)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They talk about, and misinterpret, Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, but they never mention Section 5: “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” http://www.14thamendment.us/amendment/14th_amendment.html


13 posted on 07/31/2011 10:19:26 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This will establish a dictatorship.

Correction: This will establish a BLACK dictatorship, which is why the racist black caucus, headed by Clyburn is for it. These guys are very shortsighted about redistribution... they want mo' money from whitey now, and are willing to kill the golden goose to get it.

14 posted on 07/31/2011 10:19:32 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We have a Black Caucus because?


15 posted on 07/31/2011 10:20:39 AM PDT by JPG (Yes she can!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, will begin R2.

Holders people are only interested in how much of nobama’s stash taken from the crackers they can get TODAY with no thinking about tomarrow. It jes bees dare culcha, you know mofo. Same mentality in Africa.


16 posted on 07/31/2011 10:21:35 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: donhunt

Well don, someone imported them a long time ago. If anything destroys America it will be the long lingering effects of slavery. Maybe Karma police?!


17 posted on 07/31/2011 10:24:24 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do these people think that only a Democrat will be President from now on? Are they really pushing for a President to overstep his constitutional authority just to do what they want him to do?

I guess once a Republican got into office, all this extra power will be “taken back” and will be hearing terms like dictator again hurled at the executive office.

They need to be reminded that the President is nothing more than the chief executive officer of the Executive Branch of government, not King, not Dictator.

The President does not have the authority to raise taxes, nor to spend any money NOT authorized by Congress.

We are getting real close to impeachable offenses here and I think Obama knows it (or at least his handlers know it).

Raising the debt limit does not solve our financial problem, it kicks the can closer to the edge of the cliff (if not over the cliff).

You would think these men in office would know this, do they really think they can keep kicking the can forever?

When we began heading down this road (think Roosevelt) we were a long way from the edge, so countless politicians have been able to ride the gravy train to wealth and power, but we are close to the edge now.

We may have one or two more years before this house of cards collapses but not much more.

The only thing that can save them is if the economy turns around, but it seems they are doing everything in their power to keep that from happening (think more regulations, more laws, more taxes). These are all job killing items, but the Democrats can not turn the page in their playbook. Maybe they only have one page.

Step one demonize their opponents
Step two scare the voters
Step three spend money
Step four increase taxes

start over


18 posted on 07/31/2011 10:26:30 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Such ignorance of the Constitution and its own provision for amendment of its provisions. Neither a Caucus in the Congress nor the Executive possesses such a right under the terms of the Constitution.

In an essay entitled, "Do We Have a Living Constitution?" which appeared in "Our Ageless Constitution"(1987), Dr. Walter Berns quoted Alexander Hamilton, as follows:

"Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon them collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption or even knowledge of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives [the executive, judiciary, or legislature]; in a departure from it prior to such an act." - Alexander Hamilton

19 posted on 07/31/2011 10:29:23 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The next time there are large scale riots in the inner cities (and there will be), the President should follow his moral duty and sidestep Congress and repeal the 13th Amendment.

Not that good an idea, but I bet you could get the Black caucus to say it if you told them that the 13th Amendment limited tax rates on the wealthy.


20 posted on 07/31/2011 10:36:51 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Actually I think I read the other day that the ‘leader’ of this group is John Conyers.
He put us here.

Conyers has been reelected 22 times, never facing serious opposition.


21 posted on 07/31/2011 10:38:13 AM PDT by sheana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Supporters argue that the 14th Amendment – which says "the validity of the public debt … shall not be questioned" – empowers the president to act unilaterally.

They write a quotation with an ellipsis (...) to leave out the portions they don't like, such as the part that says the debt is authorized by law, which MUST include congressional participation. Priceless. If the CBC ran the US, we'd be the new Zimbabwe.

22 posted on 07/31/2011 10:39:09 AM PDT by matt1234 (ObamaCare: Killing mommies for commies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They so much want the magic mulatto to become communist dictator.

That black caucus should be disbanded as anti-American.


23 posted on 07/31/2011 10:40:45 AM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I doubt that the Black Caucus knows anything about the Emancipation Proclamation. Has the White Caucus chimed in?


24 posted on 07/31/2011 10:42:06 AM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Sorry, I was wrong. Conyers is part of this group but apparently Clyburn is the ‘leader’. What the heck is wrong with the voters that they keep electing these people?

1974-92; United States Representative, South Carolina Sixth District, 1992-; led massive get-out-the-vote drive in congressional elections, 1998; elected chair, Congressional Black Caucus, 1998.


25 posted on 07/31/2011 10:42:06 AM PDT by sheana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We must not allow a political deadlock to cause the United States to default for the first time in our history,"

Wrong! But you should not expect the Commie misfits to know that, or admit it.

"Fearing (Another) U.S. Debt Default"

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/04/fearing-another-u-s-debt-default/

26 posted on 07/31/2011 10:44:47 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dusttoyou
Well don, someone imported them a long time ago. If anything destroys America it will be the long lingering effects of slavery. Maybe Karma police?!

Yep. Slavery is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. Because right now, the bellyachers would be over in Africa fighting cheetahs for scraps of food.
27 posted on 07/31/2011 10:46:31 AM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Black Caucus is Anti-White nothing more!


28 posted on 07/31/2011 10:47:41 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: dusttoyou

Let the Karma police drag the dust out of those old slave holder’s graves and put it in jail. As for me, never had a slave.


29 posted on 07/31/2011 10:57:07 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What does the Congressional White Caucus think about this?

sarc/

30 posted on 07/31/2011 10:58:16 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: Texas Fossil

You cite the NYT to substantiate that the US previously “defaulted” on its debt? Incredible, because -it is the NYT.

The event they reference occurred in 1933. Contrary to the NYT’s assertion the government did not “default” rather it made bond payments in USD vs. Gold as the bonds were written.

No, I don’t expect commie misfits to know or admit it.

Btw, there will be no default. There will merely be a gov shutdown. A default means not making payments on the national debt and there’s more than enough in monthly revenue to cover that. The 14th amendment says payments on that debt cannot be ignored. They have to make the payments or face the wrath of the courts and the markets.

“The government will default” is pure liberal “SPEND-SPEND-SPEND” hype.


31 posted on 07/31/2011 11:02:07 AM PDT by Justa
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To: NeverForgetBataan
When the welfare hos don’t get the gubment check for a couple of months, they will find a job.

No they won't. When they stop getting their 'free sh!t'., they're gonna start looking to just TAKE "your sh!t"

32 posted on 07/31/2011 11:04:20 AM PDT by digger48
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To: donhunt
Very simple my friend we allowed the demoncrats and the unions to edumacate our children. Most cottages have more people enrolled in rudimentary reading, math, and history then they have in actual cottage courses.....thats were we got all these low lifes and imbicels. How else can you explain the fool in the peoples house?????
33 posted on 07/31/2011 11:05:19 AM PDT by straps (THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX)
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To: donhunt
How did this country end up with so many stupid people?

Public Education!

34 posted on 07/31/2011 11:05:49 AM PDT by clove (God, Family and Country, the truth will live!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Where's the Congressional White Caucus on this?
35 posted on 07/31/2011 11:06:28 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: digger48

When the welfare hos don’t get the gubment check for a couple of months, they will find a job.

No they won’t. When they stop getting their ‘free sh!t’., they’re gonna start looking to just TAKE “your sh!t”
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So true. They are taking my sh!t now. CBC want to ensure the “sh!t redistribution” continues.


36 posted on 07/31/2011 11:07:48 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: donhunt

Public education and the teachers union.


37 posted on 07/31/2011 11:10:04 AM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: sheana
Conyers is a COMMIE.

Maxine Waters and John Conyers' connections to communist org, World Can't Wait
38 posted on 07/31/2011 11:11:21 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Congressional Black Caucus,... has there ever been a stupider group of people than this assembled anywhere on this planet!!??

My Gawd. A extra-small bag of hammers contains more brains than these fools!

39 posted on 07/31/2011 11:12:27 AM PDT by Gritty (What we've got is war,... a war between the taxpayers and the tax-eaters - Wes Pruden)
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To: blueunicorn6

My people were mostly poor Irish and darn sure didn’t own any slaves. It matters not, collectively, because we are Americans and it is America that is and will suffer because of that dark history.

I’m all for a one way ticket to the Mother Land and a million bucks to each and all, give up any future claim and no return. Would be cheap by comparison.


40 posted on 07/31/2011 11:15:19 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: shooter223

Doesn’t Section 5 of the 14th Amendment restate that Congress has to legislate the enforcement of the provisions of this amendment? My conclusion is that the POTUS cannot act unilaterally but only with approval. The CBC is willfully stupid!


41 posted on 07/31/2011 11:15:44 AM PDT by calicard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doesn’t he have to declare martial law first?


42 posted on 07/31/2011 11:19:44 AM PDT by Vesparado
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To: Art in Idaho

Well, they sure ain’t et the whiteyhut.


43 posted on 07/31/2011 11:21:53 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: donhunt
How did this country end up with so many stupid people?

How do you end up with anything?
Bought and paid for them.
44 posted on 07/31/2011 11:22:47 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: donhunt

Stupid voters


45 posted on 07/31/2011 11:27:09 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

CBC = racists with power attempting to violate the constitution.

What a miserable country we will have as more of these morons get into positions of power and figure they can get even.

Doubt that statement? Look at any city being run my this minority.


46 posted on 07/31/2011 11:28:31 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama has all but ruled out that option. "I have talked to my lawyers," he said at a town hall meeting last week. "They are not persuaded that that is a winning argument."

His lawyers - not his media people. That's because the 14th DEFINES the "public debt" it is referring to as ONLY: "including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion."

See that word, "including"? It's law-speak for ONLY THIS. No other form of "public debt." So this "public debt is only for "pensions and bounties" - but even then, only pensions and bounties that were derived from "services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion."

That's an incredibly narrow definition - it only deals with a tiny part of the entirety of the "public debt."

And when you also consider that the 14th was adopted in 1868, and the Federal Reserve Act wasn't passed until 45 years late in 1913, there is no possible way that the "public debt" referred to in the 14th is the "public debt" being addressed by the "debt ceiling" today.

47 posted on 07/31/2011 11:40:02 AM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: donhunt

Turn on the television and you’ll have a pretty good idea.


48 posted on 07/31/2011 12:12:40 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No surprise that these Socialist idiots would advocate this kind of move. The CBC is an entity openly hostile to the Constitution and this country.
49 posted on 07/31/2011 12:58:54 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (“I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat")
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To: Cheerio

I would estimate the majority of black Americans are Communist or worse. This minority is probably the least likely group to survive a fragmentation as the Government shuts down. Remember this group cowering and mewing for help when Katrina took away the Gov Teat?


50 posted on 07/31/2011 1:38:26 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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