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Black Caucus urges Obama to use 14th Amendment debt fix (Compare to Emancipation Proclamation!)
The Hill ^ | July 30, 2011 | Mike Lillis

Posted on 07/31/2011 10:03:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) urged President Obama on Saturday to sidestep Congress and hike the nation's $14.3 trillion debt limit on his own.

In a letter to the president, the lawmakers argue that he has "both the authority and a moral obligation" to invoke the Constitution's 14th Amendment "to avoid an economic catastrophe of historic proportions."

"We must not allow a political deadlock to cause the United States to default for the first time in our history," the CBC members wrote. "Now that Congress has borrowed money and incurred debt, we cannot – as a nation and under our Constitution – walk away."

The lawmakers join a growing chorus of Democrats – including Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.) and Caucus Chairman John Larson (Conn.) – who have called on Obama to invoke the Constitution as a last resort to prevent a government default.

Supporters argue that the 14th Amendment – which says "the validity of the public debt … shall not be questioned" – empowers the president to act unilaterally.

Obama has all but ruled out that option.

"I have talked to my lawyers," he said at a town hall meeting last week. "They are not persuaded that that is a winning argument."

The CBC members disagree, arguing that it's his obligation "to do that which is necessary for the good of the country."

"Just as President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation at a time of emergency in our nation's history to free those who were enslaved during the Civil War, today you face a looming calamity that in some respects is just as grave," they wrote.

Only one CBC member – Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) – did not endorse the letter.


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This will establish a dictatorship.
1 posted on 07/31/2011 10:03:42 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) urged President Obama on Saturday to sidestep Congress and hike the nation's $14.3 trillion debt limit on his own.

I love how the journalist had to clarify the DEMOCRAT members of the CBC did this--noting at the end that the only CONSTITUTIONALIST among the group, Allen West of Florida, did NOT endorse the action.

2 posted on 07/31/2011 10:06:45 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Plan.


3 posted on 07/31/2011 10:08:39 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How did this country end up with so many stupid people?


4 posted on 07/31/2011 10:09:27 AM PDT by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting and lying to me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the welfare hos don’t get the gubment check for a couple of months, they will find a job.

CBC is just desperate to protect them. And the masses of its “peoples” working for the Federal beast.


5 posted on 07/31/2011 10:10:37 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These people don't understand, or don't remember (or don't care) the last time we had the Get-along-gang with the democrats, when the Country was clamoring for something Else, but they were deaf dumb and blind too it. The Whigs just wanted to get along with the Dems, so the People formed the Republican Party, which as we all know that lead to the Civil War.

We are being shoved in that exact same direction, And not a Damn one of them realizes it. We are living in the Most Frightening times for the Union in a 150 years, and the ruling class is just like "sucks"

G-D Help us.

6 posted on 07/31/2011 10:11:19 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If Sarah can't be elected in 2012, then Phase II will fall into place, may G-D have mercy on us all)
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The comparison to the Emancipation Proclamation ignores historical fact. Here is a brief history from Wikipedia:

Lincoln issued the Proclamation under his authority as "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy" under Article II, section 2 of the United States Constitution.[3] As such, he had the martial power to suspend civil law in those states which were in rebellion. He did not have Commander-in-Chief authority over the four slave-holding states that had not seceded: Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware. The Emancipation Proclamation was never challenged in court. To ensure the abolition of slavery everywhere in the U.S., Lincoln pushed for passage of the Thirteenth Amendment. Congress passed it by the necessary 2/3 vote in February 1865 and it was ratified by the states by December 1865.[4]

Note that the Emancipation Proclamation was a war-time effort, and only applied to states that were in rebellion against the Union, and thus did not apply to all the slaveholding states.

As far as I know, there are currently no US states in open armed rebellion against the United States, and thus the President has no CIC justification to invoke.

7 posted on 07/31/2011 10:11:27 AM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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This will establish a dictatorship.

Yes, and the next thing he should do is disband the legislature, for the good of the country.

Somebody said something like: Any form of government given sufficient time will revert to tyranny.

The constitution has been shredded, the character and morals of the country have been debased, and the basic order of civilization is under attack. We are becoming farm animals.

8 posted on 07/31/2011 10:15:59 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They're socialists don't call them liberals)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Black Caucus. Broadcasting their stupidity individually and as a group.


9 posted on 07/31/2011 10:16:36 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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“Now that Congress has borrowed money and incurred debt, we cannot – as a nation and under our Constitution – walk away.”

They write in the third person. They should say:

“Now that WE, THE MEMBERS of Congress HAVE borrowed money and incurred debt, we cannot – as a nation and under our Constitution – walk away.”

Their actions put us here, not some unknown ‘congress’.


10 posted on 07/31/2011 10:17:16 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: donhunt
How did this country end up with so many stupid people?

It began in the 1960s when the commies took over America's educational system.

Communist Goals (1963)
Documention below
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

11 posted on 07/31/2011 10:17:16 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Maceman
"As far as I know, there are currently no US states in open armed rebellion against the United States, and thus the President has no CIC justification to invoke."

Yet

if we continue down this path.

12 posted on 07/31/2011 10:17:30 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If Sarah can't be elected in 2012, then Phase II will fall into place, may G-D have mercy on us all)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They talk about, and misinterpret, Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, but they never mention Section 5: “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” http://www.14thamendment.us/amendment/14th_amendment.html


13 posted on 07/31/2011 10:19:26 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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This will establish a dictatorship.

Correction: This will establish a BLACK dictatorship, which is why the racist black caucus, headed by Clyburn is for it. These guys are very shortsighted about redistribution... they want mo' money from whitey now, and are willing to kill the golden goose to get it.

14 posted on 07/31/2011 10:19:32 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We have a Black Caucus because?


15 posted on 07/31/2011 10:20:39 AM PDT by JPG (Yes she can!)
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No, will begin R2.

Holders people are only interested in how much of nobama’s stash taken from the crackers they can get TODAY with no thinking about tomarrow. It jes bees dare culcha, you know mofo. Same mentality in Africa.


16 posted on 07/31/2011 10:21:35 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: donhunt

Well don, someone imported them a long time ago. If anything destroys America it will be the long lingering effects of slavery. Maybe Karma police?!


17 posted on 07/31/2011 10:24:24 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do these people think that only a Democrat will be President from now on? Are they really pushing for a President to overstep his constitutional authority just to do what they want him to do?

I guess once a Republican got into office, all this extra power will be “taken back” and will be hearing terms like dictator again hurled at the executive office.

They need to be reminded that the President is nothing more than the chief executive officer of the Executive Branch of government, not King, not Dictator.

The President does not have the authority to raise taxes, nor to spend any money NOT authorized by Congress.

We are getting real close to impeachable offenses here and I think Obama knows it (or at least his handlers know it).

Raising the debt limit does not solve our financial problem, it kicks the can closer to the edge of the cliff (if not over the cliff).

You would think these men in office would know this, do they really think they can keep kicking the can forever?

When we began heading down this road (think Roosevelt) we were a long way from the edge, so countless politicians have been able to ride the gravy train to wealth and power, but we are close to the edge now.

We may have one or two more years before this house of cards collapses but not much more.

The only thing that can save them is if the economy turns around, but it seems they are doing everything in their power to keep that from happening (think more regulations, more laws, more taxes). These are all job killing items, but the Democrats can not turn the page in their playbook. Maybe they only have one page.

Step one demonize their opponents
Step two scare the voters
Step three spend money
Step four increase taxes

start over


18 posted on 07/31/2011 10:26:30 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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Such ignorance of the Constitution and its own provision for amendment of its provisions. Neither a Caucus in the Congress nor the Executive possesses such a right under the terms of the Constitution.

In an essay entitled, "Do We Have a Living Constitution?" which appeared in "Our Ageless Constitution"(1987), Dr. Walter Berns quoted Alexander Hamilton, as follows:

"Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon them collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption or even knowledge of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives [the executive, judiciary, or legislature]; in a departure from it prior to such an act." - Alexander Hamilton

19 posted on 07/31/2011 10:29:23 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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The next time there are large scale riots in the inner cities (and there will be), the President should follow his moral duty and sidestep Congress and repeal the 13th Amendment.

Not that good an idea, but I bet you could get the Black caucus to say it if you told them that the 13th Amendment limited tax rates on the wealthy.


20 posted on 07/31/2011 10:36:51 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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