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Mercury News editorial: Thank California for new U.S. fuel standards
Mercury News ^ | 7/31/11 | Editorial

Posted on 07/31/2011 10:08:00 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

When President Barack Obama announced an agreement to double fuel-economy requirements Friday, standing with him were industry executives and environmental, public health and labor leaders, all of whom, remarkably, had signed off on the deal.

But the real credit for this historic achievement, which is expected to cut oil consumption by 1.5 million barrels per day and eliminate half of all carbon pollution nationwide, doesn't go to the White House.

Instead, thank California.

For decades the state has set the nation's clean-energy agenda; it's been the tip of the spear in the fight for higher fuel standards. Its huge automobile market is a key reason carmakers -- which prefer one national standard -- finally dropped their opposition to a federal increase last year and agreed to a less ambitious deal than the one announced last week. ..

The suits failed, and Obama's Environmental Protection Agency granted California a waiver to enforce its own standards. That's when the carmakers gave in.

So it was great to see Mary Nichols, the head of the California Air Resources Board, sharing the stage with Obama. Nichols was a key player in talks leading to this new agreement, which requires fleets to average 54.5 mpg by 2025, up from the current 27 mpg.

The taxpayer bailout of Detroit also pushed the industry to come around, but we wouldn't be here without California's leadership -- and not just on fuel economy.

As far back as the 1970s, the state adopted rules for refrigerators that the rest of the nation followed. These appliances now have more features but use one-quarter of the energy they did then. Per-capita energy usage has remained steady in California for three decades while rising 40 percent in the rest of the nation.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnoldlegacy; california; carb; cars; economy; editorial; elections; envirowhackos; epa; fuel; fuelstandards; government; govtabuse; greengovernor; marynichols; schwarzenegger; standards; thanks4nothing; tyranny
The Murky Newz .. still as lefty (now masquerading as green too) as they ever was.. Change? Jobs? yeah. right.

if their papers were any tinier, they'd fit in the cracks in the driveway.. it would match their intellects.

all hot air.

1 posted on 07/31/2011 10:08:03 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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need to do a re-write of Blame Canada..

now, off to Indy and some combustion engine racing..


2 posted on 07/31/2011 10:09:49 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m sorry!


3 posted on 07/31/2011 10:13:04 AM PDT by null and void (Day 920. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Oh, yeah.....Kalifornia.....the State that is BILLIONS in debt, over-run by non-english speakers and sex deviates, and losing ALL the population that can actually think for themselves and earn a living without siphoning off others......what a concept!

Now, with 200mpg, riding roller skates on the Freeways; what a GREAT idea (FOR KALIFORNIA).

4 posted on 07/31/2011 10:14:14 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Mary Nichols is a joke! California is the “land of the SUV, and the Pickup.” Now that the state has quit “sweetening the pot” for Prius buyers with the ending of the “carpool lane stickers” for these clown cars, no one is buying them. Even here in California the “producers” still want a safe, comfortable car. When ( and if) we get to 54 mpg cars, they are going to be a drug on the market. SUVs are the byproduct of “mandating” the station wagon out of existence with the original CAFE standards.


5 posted on 07/31/2011 10:17:19 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: NormsRevenge
People like Mary Nichols and CARB are a huge part of what's wrong in California. There is simply no reason for CARB to even exist any more. They are a duplication of EPA. Other states don't have equivalents (at least none that I'm familiar with).

Mary Nichols is a complete idiot and buffoon with no scientific or technical training. She's the type of crackpot who started working for busy body government organizations right after she got out of law school (wouldn't you just know it). Now it was super-jerk Arnold Schwarzenegger who appointed this clown to CARB. For all of you who voted for Arnold (and you know who you are), you reap what you sow. Nichols has a fat salary and will get an even fatter pension after she leaves which won't be any time soon with Moonbeam as governor.

As usual, the problem in California is Californians.
6 posted on 07/31/2011 10:34:27 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: vette6387
SUVs are the byproduct of “mandating” the station wagon out of existence with the original CAFE standards.

Correct, and almost no one knows this fact.

CAFE killed the station wagon at a huge net loss of fuel economy.

7 posted on 07/31/2011 10:34:49 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Per-capita energy usage has remained steady in California for three decades while rising 40 percent in the rest of the nation."

And my PG&E rates have risen 75% in 3 decades.

8 posted on 07/31/2011 10:36:08 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: NormsRevenge

My heart flutters.....

THANK YOU CALIFORNIA!!!


9 posted on 07/31/2011 10:40:22 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: NormsRevenge
Instead, thank California.

Oh, really?

Wouldn't that be like thanking a hooker for giving you a venereal disease...?

10 posted on 07/31/2011 10:40:37 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: NormsRevenge

bump.


11 posted on 07/31/2011 10:43:55 AM PDT by ken21 (dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I've actually talked with people working at CARB during the early 1990's and they told me until the wide adoption of engine control computers and fuel injection around 1989, it was actually REALLY hard to get a gasoline engine to meet CARB emission control standards.

But once engine control computers and fuel injection became universally used, it allowed for very precise fuel metering and ignition timing, which made it possible to dramatically lower emissions without hurting performance and fuel economy. Indeed, the current CARB Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle Level 2 (ULEV-II) standard has its EPA equivalent: Tier 2 Bin 5, which most auto manufacturers strive to meet for a non-hybrid engine. The arrival of variable valve timing in the middle 1990's on a larger scale (e.g., Honda's pioneering VTEC system) allowed for even more precise control of ignition timing, and soon conventional gasoline engines could even meet the same emissions standard as those for hybrid vehicles.

Yes, I know a lot of people on FR are skeptical, but with engines now starting to get direct fuel injection and soon a really radical design called homogeneous combustion compression-ignition (HCCI), a small car could get over 50 mpg on the EPA 2008 test, possibly as early as 2015.

12 posted on 07/31/2011 10:46:31 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thank? More like blame, as every dollar that goes into researching how to squeeze more MPG out of a car means another dollar lost to research to replace gasoline powered cars.


13 posted on 07/31/2011 10:47:02 AM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: truthguy
As usual, the problem in California is Californians.

Except that Mary Nichols isn't a Californian. As a native Californian, I've gotten to where I prefer illegal immigrants from Mexico over the illegals from the rest of the US.

14 posted on 07/31/2011 10:48:53 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: NormsRevenge; All
Thank California for new U.S. fuel standards

HEY Kalifornia!...

Statewide Edict: All motorized / electronic items,
must banned / disabled in this state

....You...you ...J@ck@$$e$


15 posted on 07/31/2011 10:48:59 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (You do not have to smear (Pharaoh / Imam / DumboEars) Obama w/ lies....the truth does a fine job. :)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey Obama, you want to save fuel and reduce air pollution, how about keeping that wildebeest of a wife of yours on the ground for a change and off OUR airplanes using OUR money so she can act like the Jeffersons and moving on up to the East Side with a DELUXE apartment in the sky.


16 posted on 07/31/2011 10:49:45 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: NormsRevenge

Ugh... those commies are actually PROUD of this travesty.

I swear, the entire state makes me sick.


17 posted on 07/31/2011 10:53:31 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Redcloak
Yes, I know she was from New England. But she's been here nearly all her adult life. And she's typical of the type of person who is destroying the state(all the while earning a fat pension). She was appointed by Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold was elected governor by a majority of California voters. Now Arnold as you know is not a Californian either. But he WAS ELECTED by Californians.

Yes, I know that native Californians are less likely to cause our problems than imports like Schwarzenegger and Nichols. But Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown IS a native Californian and is a huge part of the problem.
18 posted on 07/31/2011 11:00:19 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: RayChuang88

“Yes, I know a lot of people on FR are skeptical, but with engines now starting to get direct fuel injection and soon a really radical design called homogeneous combustion compression-ignition (HCCI), a small car could get over 50 mpg on the EPA 2008 test, possibly as early as 2015.”

Oh I am so impressed.

My 1972 Citroen 2CV got over SIXTY mpg.


19 posted on 07/31/2011 11:13:44 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: truthguy
As a Native Californian, who remembers moonbeam from the last time he plundered this state, I tried to educate those who were transplants and those who are too young to remember, but alass it was for not.
20 posted on 07/31/2011 11:22:52 AM PDT by pmac (From the lawless regions of Eastern Ca, next to free America)
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To: truthguy

I’m just getting a little tired of the let’s-bash-Californians schtick. (Especially ironic when posted on a site based in California, founded by Californians, and maintained by Californians.)

California’s problems aren’t caused by people who are from here. The imports from other States are the problem. I don’t know how many times I’ve looked into some dweeb in the news who’s bringing more embarrassment to the State and found that they’re just another illegal from Wisconsin or New York or some other place my ancestors left. Before I found that link to Mary Nichols’ bio, I really had no idea where she was from. I just made a guess that she’s another illegal from some other State. And sure enough, I was right; another troublemaker from “Back East” who’s come out here to ruin my State.


21 posted on 07/31/2011 11:31:36 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: troy McClure

yes, but totally no power, couldn’t even make it to 60 mph, and an instrument panel crude almost to an extreme. No thanks.


22 posted on 07/31/2011 11:37:35 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Redcloak
I agree with you (for the most part). But a huge part of the problem is with "native" Californians. Jerry Brown is a native as is Diane Feinstein and most of the California Congressional Delegation. Our state representatives are mostly people who were born here in California. Yes I live here too, in the SF Bay Area. I have to suffer with/from the liberals. But most of those I know who are liberal were born and raised here.

And most of those who have moved here and caused trouble seem to be from the Northeast. Those who move here from the Southeast or southwest or even the midsection of the United States are probably more conservative than those born here. The real creeps are from New York (Barbara Boxer) and New England (Mary Nichols). And do I even need to mention those who inhabit Hollywood? Not all that many natives there. We all know the problem with that place.

And of course the big problem is immigration- both legal and illegal. These people are gonna vote liberal 90 something percent of the time. That's why the Democrats brought them in. They are ready made Democratic Voters.
23 posted on 07/31/2011 11:45:09 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: RayChuang88
a small car could get over 50 mpg on the EPA 2008 test, possibly as early as 2015.

Have one of those now (53mpg city/65mpg hwy). But I'm riding around in a go-cart-like environment, unwilling to take my hands off the steering wheel or eyes off the road, even momentarily, for fear of loss of control due to a wind shadow, a passing truck or a groove in the road surface. Also just lost my HOV privileges because the 12 year old technology doesn't meet ULEV-2. All 3 on-board computers and the IMA system are now out of warranty which will cost me close to $7K, out of pocket, to replace.

24 posted on 07/31/2011 11:50:04 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: truthguy

” There is simply no reason for CARB to even exist any more. They are a duplication of EPA.”

They’re actually significantly worse than the EPA because they have a state government that’s run by the sierra club, greenpeace and earth first giving CARB ever more power.


25 posted on 07/31/2011 11:57:58 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: RayChuang88
Yes, I know a lot of people on FR are skeptical, but with engines now starting to get direct fuel injection and soon a really radical design called homogeneous combustion compression-ignition (HCCI), a small car could get over 50 mpg on the EPA 2008 test, possibly as early as 2015.

Count me in as a skeptic. The new mileage standards are insanity. The Federal Government should not be in the business of setting mpg standards. The free market will do just fine without them. Yes, there new engine technologies for ICE engines. But we are running up against something called the law of diminishing returns. That states that ever greater inputs ($$$) yield lesser outputs (mpg). This is driving up the cost of cars greatly and making them less affordable. I was considering a Ford Fusion Hybrid until I looked at how much more expensive it was than a standard Fusion. To meet CAFE standards, auto makers have made the cars much smaller (terrible for families) and thus less safe even with airbags. Soon there will be no more V8 or even V6 Engines. People like Obama and his elk want everyone in an Econo-Box with 90hp. This is not what Americans want or desire. We don't want to drive crap.
26 posted on 07/31/2011 11:58:54 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Mercury News editorial: Thank California for new U.S. fuel standards”

“Thank” was not the word I was thinking of.


27 posted on 07/31/2011 11:59:21 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: NormsRevenge

28 posted on 07/31/2011 12:16:40 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: truthguy
Count me in as a skeptic. The new mileage standards are insanity. The Federal Government should not be in the business of setting mpg standards. The free market will do just fine without them. Yes, there new engine technologies for ICE engines. But we are running up against something called the law of diminishing returns. That states that ever greater inputs ($$$) yield lesser outputs (mpg). This is driving up the cost of cars greatly and making them less affordable. I was considering a Ford Fusion Hybrid until I looked at how much more expensive it was than a standard Fusion. To meet CAFE standards, auto makers have made the cars much smaller (terrible for families) and thus less safe even with airbags. Soon there will be no more V8 or even V6 Engines. People like Obama and his elk want everyone in an Econo-Box with 90hp. This is not what Americans want or desire. We don't want to drive crap.

True. IIRC, the 1973/79 Honda Civic was rated at 51 MPG, but they were so tiny and they rusted like crazy. I just hope we get Obongo out of office in the 2012 election or we are done.

I think of the law of diminishing returns this way, if you shell out $100 for a ghetto blaster, it may sound good but a $250 stereo system would sound better. a $500 one would even be better. You do reach a point though where you get less returns for much more money. When you get to a $1000 system, unless you're a real stereophile, it doesn't sound much different than the $500 one. When you get to $5000, is isn't as much of an improvement over the $1000 one or even the $500 one unless you're a purist.
29 posted on 07/31/2011 12:48:22 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: RayChuang88

“soon a really radical design called homogeneous combustion compression-ignition ... 50 mpg”

I looked that up. The HCCI concept achieves its efficiency exactly as the diesel does: by a higher compression ratio.

So why should we use HCCI rather than just use diesels? HCCI engines, like diesels, need to be built stronger and heavier than the spark-ignition engines.


30 posted on 07/31/2011 1:19:12 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: NormsRevenge

I really think it is time to place a big ol’ tax on newsprint. For the environment of course.


31 posted on 07/31/2011 1:30:26 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: NormsRevenge

Where have you been?

We have been kowtowing to CARB (California Air Resources Board) Standards since the early 1990’s.


32 posted on 07/31/2011 1:34:51 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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To: NormsRevenge

I saw a 1.5L turbo VW get 79mpg..on Top Gear.
Of course it was running about 35 mph on the European expressways.


33 posted on 07/31/2011 1:55:19 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: frposty
That's based on if you're using conventional materials for the engine block itself.

But I've read a few things on HCCI and one thing they're considering is using aerospace-quality ceramics for the hottest parts of an HCCI engine, namely the piston and piston liner. That way, you don't need an over-heavy engine block.

Anyway, I still remember in the early 1980's when sophisticated engine computers, four-valve per cylinder valvetrains, and port fuel injection were "pie in the sky" ideas that everyone thought were engine improvements with diminishing returns. Today, practically every NEW car has engines sophisticated engine computers, port fuel injection, four-valve per cylinder valvetrains and even variable valve timing (indeed, my 1998 Honda Civic HX coupe has all four of these technologies!). I expect the HCCI--which may cut fuel consumption 20% or more compared to today's engines--to be widely available by 2015-2016 time frame.

By the way, one big advantage of HCCI over a diesel engine is the fact cleaning up the exhaust emissions is much easier, since you don't have to deal with elevated NOx levels and diesel particulates, both of which can be quite expensive to remove in the exhaust stream.

34 posted on 07/31/2011 6:24:39 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Vinnie
I saw a 1.5L turbo VW get 79mpg..on Top Gear. Of course it was running about 35 mph on the European expressways.

Of course, if you're talking the original BBC Top Gear show, that's just under 66 miles per US gallon.

By the way, one thing I want to see--hello, Car and Driver!--is to take a Ford Fiesta ECOnetic and a Volkswagen Polo BlueMotion super-efficient models sold in Europe and subject it to the EPA 2008 fuel economy test. I'll bet even money that the fuel economy results will be disappointing compared to the European test results, since the EPA 2008 test is much more "real world" than the fuel economy tests done in Europe and Japan.

35 posted on 07/31/2011 6:36:50 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88
Volkswagen Polo BlueMotion

Thanks, been trying to think of the name of the VW.

From the name I presumed Bluetec technology was involved. Apparently not.

36 posted on 08/01/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by Vinnie
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