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SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER's Powerpoint On The DEAL
www.speaker.gov/UploadedFiles/3-7-31-11-Debt-Framework-Boehner.pdf ^ | Updated: July 31, 10:35pm EST | Speaker John Boehner

Posted on 08/01/2011 1:54:00 AM PDT by Yosemitest



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boehner; deal; debtceiling; deceit; economy; lies; planners; police; socialism; socialworkers; teachers
I'm against it!
So I'm against it.

I support a real solution and that is the One Percent Spending Reduction Act.
Facts are facts.
And the FACT IS ...
Just click on it for more info.



FR Member "casinva" asked some good questions and here is my reply to his questions.
1 posted on 08/01/2011 1:54:05 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: Yosemitest

“(1) cuts government spending more than it increases the debt limit;
(2) implements spending caps to restrain future spending;
(3) advances the cause of a Balanced Budget Amendment”
Yea. Right. Like Boner and the rest of the yellow spined
are going to hold the commies feet to the fire on this one.
Rush was right, we have been duped. Again.


2 posted on 08/01/2011 2:03:15 AM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Yosemitest

Interesting - no repeal of Sarbanes-Oxley or Dodd-Frank in it. And we expect economic growth?


3 posted on 08/01/2011 2:11:01 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Yosemitest

It’s a bait & switch con.


4 posted on 08/01/2011 2:11:05 AM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Slambat
I agree that Rush is right, And I also agree with Rush that
5 posted on 08/01/2011 2:11:34 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: familyop
What a freaking disaster.

Should be an interesting Monday on Conservative Talk Radio back in the USA, though--and where all the talking heads and other of "our leaders" shake out on this monstrosity.

6 posted on 08/01/2011 2:20:38 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Herman Cain should increase security as Islamists would "fatwah" him for telling the truth on them.)
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To: familyop
From "The Blaze":

What I'm hearing on T.V. now is that HALF of those spending cuts would come out of the military.
That sounds just like what our ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF would do, to deliberately destroy our country.
And the other half of the spending cuts is coming out of Health Care, so the Kenyan Turd is still trying to push our grandparents off the cliff.

Another question:
7 posted on 08/01/2011 2:36:05 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: familyop
From "The Blaze":

What I'm hearing on T.V. now is that HALF of those spending cuts would come out of the military.
That sounds just like what our ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF would do, to deliberately destroy our country.
And the other half of the spending cuts is coming out of Health Care, so the Kenyan Turd is still trying to push our grandparents off the cliff.

Another question:
8 posted on 08/01/2011 2:36:40 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
"Another question:
increase of If Obama gets an increase in the debt limit of $1.5 TRILLION along with spending cuts of $2 TRILLION
"

The $2 trillion in supposed cuts would be over a period of ten years. The debt limit increase would only be for a few months before the next one. Last I heard, the deficit for this year alone is over $1.5 trillion.

The "One Percent Spending Reduction Act" would also be inadequate.

Here's what's going on. Local public school teachers, police, planners, building regulation offices, environmental offices, social workers, government housing employees and many others are pushing both political parties to continue spending that our small manufacturing base cannot support. Most who have moderate or higher incomes depend either directly or indirectly on government spending.

Both political parties are dominated by constituents who are stealing from all who desire to do real work and be truly productive. Accordingly with their desires, the default process will continue to its conclusion.


9 posted on 08/01/2011 2:54:14 AM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: topher

bmp


10 posted on 08/01/2011 3:01:46 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: dajeeps
Economic growth? With this?

Try reading this, What is Baseline Budgeting?.

How will there be any "Economic Growth" with the government wasting our money at a growing rate of 7 percent, but yet they call it "NO INCREASE"?
11 posted on 08/01/2011 3:05:09 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Yes. The political noise from various, civilian government-dependent constituencies is deafening, and the politicians are listening to them.


12 posted on 08/01/2011 3:06:35 AM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: familyop


And that conclusion will continue "Collapsing the System" ?
13 posted on 08/01/2011 3:11:56 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

First, I disagree with the political parties continuing to increase the insane debts for their favored constituents. But please consider the following.

Socialists cannot continue a big government without revenues of value from a large manufacturing base (might call those sustainable revenues)—especially after they’ve regulated so much against domestic manufacturing. So yes, the collapsing “system” would be the current socialist economic system, running on debt and monies contrived from thin air. Such an economy was doomed to fail from the beginning.

If you get time and are interested, read about “nonpolitical politics” and Vaclav Havel in Czechoslovakia (before the Czech Republic). And yes, some in the USA also had much to do with that. Granted, violence is not necessary in such pursuits, and I’m not advocating any violence.

Sometimes, better people may find it impossible to slow a monstrous, over-regulating debt regime. Another way is to help it find its goal more quickly. And while its face is in the mud, start producing.

Prepare, and avoid unnecessary personal purchases. Why help to generate huge revenues without value in return? Become more self-sufficient each month while learning to produce an item of necessity as a hobby for now. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.

From martial histories and experiences, it’s sometimes good to add to your opponents momentum toward the cesspool that he strives to reach. Then rebuild without the regulating obstacles that he once put in your way.


14 posted on 08/01/2011 3:35:59 AM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: Yosemitest

We have a long list of fixits for 2013. The piece of legislative crap-gobblety-gook should be tossed out, right on top of 0bamacare.


15 posted on 08/01/2011 3:49:17 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Yosemitest

We have a long list of fixits for 2013. The piece of legislative crap-gobblety-gook should be tossed out, right on top of 0bamacare.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 3:49:25 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Yosemitest

We would only have defaulted had the President WANTED to default. Boehner and Company have to
GO!! I am so disgusted with these people. They never had any intention of doing the right thing. I hope Boehner’s district shows him the door in 2012!! How could he have been duped like this!!!????


17 posted on 08/01/2011 4:05:29 AM PDT by Cricket24 (Proud to be a CONSERVATIVE WOMAN!!!!!!!)
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To: Cricket24
How could he have been duped like this!!!????

Boehner hasn't been duped. He's working WITH Obama, Reid, and his Democrat pals to dupe the American people.

18 posted on 08/01/2011 5:13:01 AM PDT by Roninf5-1
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To: Yosemitest
Good analysis, but obama got what he wanted, an increase in the debt ceiling for the 2012 election...THIS TAXPAYER FUNDED RE-ELECTION COFFER.

That is why he has been so adament about the dates and after getting that concession, he made little fuss about the rest.

The kenyan is USING us to buy the next election. One think every Chicago thug knows is, most everybody has their price...obama will be "buying" secretaries of state, dead voters, and nullifying every catagory of vote that might be conservative, like military absentee votes.

He'll PAY his judge buddies to nullify any State sponsored VOTER ID laws, and he'll somehow work it so the illegal aliens...er...INVADERS can vote for him in exchange for citizenship....WE HAVE BEEN DUPED AGAIN.

ELECTIONBUYING
19 posted on 08/01/2011 5:22:06 AM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: Yosemitest

Why doesn’t he just come out and start screaming here sucker, here sucker, at least that would be truthful. Boner is a bag of crap.


20 posted on 08/01/2011 5:29:02 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Yosemitest; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Terry Mross; ...

Worth reading for this weeks hot debate!

Spending cuts are not till 2013 given to next congress non-binding after the (Obama) election.

There still has to be (or should be) a FY12 budget passed BTW for October 1. Another set of CRs coming?


21 posted on 08/01/2011 5:39:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Yosemitest

Let’s see. My wife is spending $80,000 more than we make and has hit our credit limit.

Solution? I agree to get a credit limit extension for another $80k, if she’ll reduce her plans to increase her spending from $160k to only $155k.

Oh yea, great deal.


22 posted on 08/01/2011 5:59:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Yosemitest

Why don’t we trust the Republican leadership? Sen. Corker (R-TN) said this morning on CNBC that the real total of spending cuts would “probably be $40-50 BILLION,” because the Boehner deal only obligates this Congress to try to cut the budget. Future Congresses are not bound by anything this Congress does.

The same vanishing spending cuts happened in last December’s budget deal, when Boehner’s billions in cuts shrank to millions. So again, the GOP will give Obama and the Dems the money they want to buy votes with for next year’s election, and the spending cuts are practically nil. No wonder sane people don’t trust these scam artists.


23 posted on 08/01/2011 6:10:29 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Yosemitest

This bill allows for the Bush tax rates to expire, which is a tax increase......


24 posted on 08/01/2011 6:31:41 AM PDT by stockpirate (Proud member of the TEA Party Hobbits.........remember the hobbits won the day)
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To: Yosemitest

The “cuts” they are talking about would have more meaning if they were not talking in ‘baseline budgeting’ terms. As is, it’s a sham and charade.


25 posted on 08/01/2011 7:07:27 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: sickoflibs

I know Reid wanted to slip a provision in the bill that would excuse his refusal to present a budget for the next two years. I don’t know if he got it. I wish the Pubs would make more of a point of it, perhaps even stirring up another “crisis” when futire CR’s come up. We need a dim budget on the table for the purpose of next year’s election campaigns.

Secondly, I am amused at all the reasons this compromise bill is a “failure”, “sellout”, etc>:

It did not make a one-year cut of $1.2 Trillion from the budget THIS year.
It did not make permanent the Bush Tax cuts.
It did not abolish base line budgeting.
It did not compel PASSAGE of a BBA.

Anyone who thinks those things were remotely possible this year lives on Planet “Head UP the Ass”

Anyone who thinks those things a possible at ANYTIME in the future better get started buildiing the Republican numbers in the House, Senate and White House— and not just any Republican, but the most conservative ones electable. We’ve got a shot to move in that direction 15 months from right now.


26 posted on 08/01/2011 7:33:24 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: sickoflibs

Another Cr cave, dang, we know what will happen there.


27 posted on 08/01/2011 7:44:55 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: San Jacinto
RE :”Secondly, I am amused at all the reasons this compromise bill is a “failure”, “sellout”, etc>:
It did not make a one-year cut of $1.2 Trillion from the budget THIS year.
It did not make permanent the Bush Tax cuts.
It did not abolish base line budgeting.
It did not compel PASSAGE of a BBA.
Anyone who thinks those things were remotely possible this year lives on Planet “Head UP the Ass”

I am much more realistic than many when it comes to the current political realities of single House control, so I am not dwelling on those myself. My big problem is delaying the cuts till 2013 AFTER the election and non-binding on the next congress. That is standard political cowardliness and helps Obama get re-elected which is why he wants it.

28 posted on 08/01/2011 7:47:51 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: San Jacinto
RE :"Anyone who thinks those things a possible at ANYTIME in the future better get started buildiing the Republican numbers in the House, Senate and White House— and not just any Republican, but the most conservative ones electable. We’ve got a shot to move in that direction 15 months from right now."

That is a point I have been making too. And any cuts put into law now can be easily reversed by a Speaker Pelosi if the plan is to lose the election in 2012(worst case).

29 posted on 08/01/2011 7:53:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs

And I am more realistic than some in rating the current compromise. It doesn’t do squat in addressing the debt crisis we are now facing. Worse, it relies on those same old gimmicks to create the image of spending restraint— non-binding “cuts” in the rate of spending GROWTH, cementing in bigger deficits year after year, relying on the 18th “commission” to reign in spending after 17 miserable failures with the same fix, and then labeling those few who actually want to fix the problem as some kind of lunatic fringe.

My point is that the real problem will be faced in the real world in one of two ways: (1) We get a solid majority of conservatives in all the political units or (2)after a total financial collapse followed by 10 or 20 years of who knows what, something else will emerge.

Maybe the odds are strongly against (1), but the alternative forces us to try.


30 posted on 08/01/2011 8:03:16 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto
RE :”My point is that the real problem will be faced in the real world in one of two ways: (1) We get a solid majority of conservatives in all the political units or (2)after a total financial collapse followed by 10 or 20 years of who knows what, something else will emerge.

And I have seen a number of posters calling for #2 which would be a disaster if it had the GOp name on it.

I posted on another thread that the House should sent the Senate a $50B debt extension so House Republicans can improve this bill to get more of their votes, I know it's risky business but passing this deal 'as is' helps Obama get re-elected, few voters will care what he originally demanded in this, just as few voters cared that Clinton originally opposed a BB when voting in 1996.

31 posted on 08/01/2011 8:30:52 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: San Jacinto
Actually, passing the version of the BBA (e.g. requires 2/3 majority to raise taxes, caps spending at 18% of GDP, I believe) that was in CCB is not remotely possible at any time in the foreseeable future, not just right now.

Even if republicans took ten senate seats (they won't) they would still need to get ten democrats to come on board. None of them ever, ever will for that version of the BBA. I doubt you even get moderate to liberal republicans like S. Brown or O. Snowe on board, they only voted for CCB because in wasn't highly publicized and they knew it wouldn't pass (IMO).

Now a straight version of the BBA is possible, and might have even been possible now if they hadn't wasted all that time on CCB and the Paul Ryan plan. So I'm not sure the establishment republicans were the only ones running a con. Conservatives wasted precious time on symbolic legislation.

But anyway, I agree w/ your basic point: many people here need a reality check (or simply need to read the constitution and understand how hard it is to amend the constitution).

32 posted on 08/01/2011 8:58:26 AM PDT by trickamsterdam (District: Red-light...)
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To: trickamsterdam

I agree with you that passage of BBA is very unlikely in foreseeable future. Also, I don’t think there is any scenario where it could have passed this year. (Parenthetically, I would add that the BBA cure can be worse than the disease unless it is very carefully drafted.)

However, when the vote is taken this year on the BBA - and I hope it is a well drafted version— some of those 23 dim senators up for reelection are going to have to vote against it. If that helps next November, then good. If it doesn’t help—se la vie.


33 posted on 08/01/2011 9:09:24 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Yosemitest

Good posts, Yosemitest, very helpful.


34 posted on 08/01/2011 9:10:45 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: familyop


Here's what I found.
Is there any better sources that you might recommend?
35 posted on 08/01/2011 10:02:37 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: familyop


P.S. I also found this:
36 posted on 08/01/2011 10:07:10 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

There is no deal. The Republicans only think they have a deal.

Experience has shown that the Democrats do not keep their word on deals.

They are like Lucy with the football, telling Charlie Brown to trust her that this time she won’t pull the football out of the way.


37 posted on 08/01/2011 12:54:55 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Yosemitest

The CBO has already discredited points one and two.

AND

there are now multiple versions of the balanced budget amendment floating around.


38 posted on 08/01/2011 12:56:32 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: wildbill
I think Boehner knows the Democrats will not follow through with this deal. My guess is that he thinks that the refusal to make promised spending cuts will backfire badly on the President and Democrats next summer, and tell the American people they can't be trusted to cut spending.

I think Boehner all along never believed that real cuts were going to happen, and so has been using this entire crisis to set things up for 2012. Including the vote on the balanced budget. He knows it will go down, but he really wants to get Democrats on record as having voted against it, becasuse it tends to be extremely popular with voters.

Whehter or not all this has the desired political effect next fall remains to be seen.

39 posted on 08/01/2011 1:02:03 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Yosemitest
"Is there any better sources that you might recommend?"

I'm sorry, but I lost the electronic files containing academic papers on the topic nearly ten years ago. Those were from a team of global history/economics consultants who traveled much and contracted to corporations and government offices in several western culture countries.

...will try to dredge up a little dim memory here.

Generally, in Czech and Poland, political and ideological constructs of the elite were countered with refusals to think, speak or willingly participate on their terms and terminologies. We know what is right in thought and speech, and that's what we'll practice in our private interactions. As for public interactions, those are simply avoided.

And as for material support, that is slowed, until the desired results are accomplished (clear field for participation of better leadership). That's why avenues of self-sufficiency are already being denied by the elite (recent attempt to effectively abolish small farming operations and many other regulatory and social measures).

All who want to survive the historical perennial growth of stubbornness against kleptocracy must become as self-sufficient as possible. But that trend tends to shrink revenues to those in power, and they try to react somewhat in advance (historically unsuccessfully).

It also helps to indulge younger members of ruling parties in Bohemian pleasures; it keeps them occupied, and their parents, inflamed and ineffective. ...and other peaceful measures. Young people who are generally more socially traditional can be the leaders of tomorrow.


40 posted on 08/01/2011 11:29:59 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: familyop

41 posted on 08/02/2011 1:12:18 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

It’s more of the same crap sandwich. This thing is bad, no doubt. And there are a lot of other things that are clogging up the ability to grow in addition. Just cutting spending isn’t going to fix this hellish kind of nightmare.


42 posted on 08/02/2011 11:29:35 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Yosemitest

Well said and agreed. I was an instructor in Army Reserve schools (yes, PLDC and other). The focus was combat, though, so I don’t recall having seen material about projection. But after nearly twenty years of being interested in propaganda studies (self-studies beginning with pro-family volunteering and advocacies), I’m acquainted with it.


43 posted on 08/02/2011 1:46:30 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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