Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Whatever happens to Warren Jeff -- the media Is already guilty
Arizona Family ^ | July 31, 2011 | Mike Watkiss

Posted on 08/01/2011 6:32:39 AM PDT by MizSterious

Whatever happens to Warren Jeff -- the media Is already guilty

by Mike Watkiss

azfamily.com

Posted on July 31, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Updated yesterday at 4:54 PM

SAN ANGELO, Texas - The story of Warren Jeffs and polygamy in America did not start when Texas Rangers raided the YFZ Ranch and it will not end with Mr. Jeffs' trial here in San Angelo. The truth is, the history is long and the stories plentiful enough to fill-up libraries.

But listening to many of the talking heads on the networks and cable shows these days, you would think that they personally had just discovered this strange and secretive world through their own hard work and diligent investigation.

And that's shameful. Not only does it wildly embellish their roles in this long and twisted story for their own self-aggrandizing purposes, but I believe it also sort of gives everybody else a "freepass" for having not paid attention to this chronic and systematic abuse of women and children that dates back right here in our own beloved country nearly two centuries.

The culpability and dereliction of duty of dozens, if not hundreds, of Utah and Arizona cops and elected officials over the years is even greater. Their lack of involvement and action constitutes nothing short of willful ignorance and, in many cases, outright complicity. But that discussion for another day.

(Excerpt) Read more at azfamily.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: flds; oprah; rape; warrenjeffs
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-128 next last
As I read this column, I couldn't help cheering out loud. Watkiss really tells it like it is. The delicious remarks about Oprah are deeper into the column--it's well worth the click.
1 posted on 08/01/2011 6:32:42 AM PDT by MizSterious
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...

Warren Jeffs trial pinglist—if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail!


2 posted on 08/01/2011 6:34:46 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

Seeing as it’s a blog (should be in Bloggers), there is no need for fellow FReepers to “click” and get popups.

Here.

********************

SAN ANGELO, Texas - The story of Warren Jeffs and polygamy in America did not start when Texas Rangers raided the YFZ Ranch and it will not end with Mr. Jeffs’ trial here in San Angelo. The truth is, the history is long and the stories plentiful enough to fill-up libraries.

But listening to many of the talking heads on the networks and cable shows these days, you would think that they personally had just discovered this strange and secretive world through their own hard work and diligent investigation.

And that’s shameful. Not only does it wildly embellish their roles in this long and twisted story for their own self-aggrandizing purposes, but I believe it also sort of gives everybody else a “freepass” for having not paid attention to this chronic and systematic abuse of women and children that dates back right here in our own beloved country nearly two centuries.

The culpability and dereliction of duty of dozens, if not hundreds, of Utah and Arizona cops and elected officials over the years is even greater. Their lack of involvement and action constitutes nothing short of willful ignorance and, in many cases, outright complicity. But that discussion for another day.

Of course, the media has “discovered” this story periodically over the years and usually, I would argue, with negative results. The media sure did come charging in when Warren Jeffs was busted outside Las Vegas back in 2006 and then again when Texas cops raided Jeffs’ 17-hundred-acre compound outside the little West Texas town of Eldorado in 2008. But after the initial “Oh My God—What is this place?—And look what cops have done” reaction; followed by the even bigger “Oh My God—look at all the kids the cops are taking out of there” response, the media then settled into it’s traditional role in this story of being gullible and dumb.

It was at that point that the FLDS community, that has elevated lying to the outside world to an art form, rolled out a brilliant and sadly very effective media campaign.

Suddenly teary-eyed women in pastel-colored prairie dresses were everywhere, crying and complaining bitterly about the big, bad State of Texas taking way their children.

Don’t get me wrong, I am certain that many of these women were genuinely heart-sick and terrribly concerned about the welfare of their kids. But the truth is, a lot of these sweet looking ladies are some of the biggest villians in FLDS society—family enforcers who don’t think twice about trotting their 12 or 13 year-old daughters—or the daughters of their sisterwives— to the feett of the prophet and say “have at them.”

Are all of these women the products of the same abusive environment? Absolutely! But should that give them a “freepass” from responsibilty? I know a lot of women who have “gotten out” and know that the practice of plural, underage marriage is wrong.

But let’s face it, the FLDS media blitz worked. Reporters weren’t interested in taking even a second to research the group’s well documented history. No, at that point, the only thing that mattered was getting “access” to the Ranch.

I remember standing at the gates of the Ranch as network crews and producers from the Oprah Winfrey show and just about every other knucklehead with a pencil and a camera were being ushered through the gates by FLDS lawyers.

One of those lawyers, a man named Jim Bradshaw, spotted me and said “not you pal.”

I think I’m the only reporter in the country that didn’t get on to the Ranch in the aftermath of the raid. But hey, if I was that guy, I would not have invited me to their party either. I would have asked questions that would have spoiled the sympathetic love-fest.

Oprah was the worst. In Winfrey’s much-hyped hour long sycophantic special, the toughest questions she asked were about the women’s hair and dress. And amid this onslaught of sympathetic and simple-minded coverage, Texas officials caved.

Despite the strenuous opposition of many of the CPS case workers, who were actually handling the FLDS children, people still believed the children should have remained in state custody—the state’s bigwigs were embrassed. They wanted an out and they ordered the children be returned.

A lot of people closest to this story and with the most knowledge believe the media sabotaged those children and the hard working case workers who were trying so desperately to help them. I am definitely one of those people. Because I think, in this story, the media is totally guilty.


3 posted on 08/01/2011 6:35:55 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

Oprah is guilty. She had an opportunity to do some good but allowed herself to be a tool


4 posted on 08/01/2011 6:39:07 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

Ditto.

I’ve read perhaps half a dozen books on the FLDS.

While never ideal, IMO, the lifestyle is not inherently completely abusive of women and children. It is similar to the life most humans have lived throughout history in the relations between men, women and children.

The big problem is that their system gives absolute power and authority to The Prophet. And we all know what absolute power does. When given to a man like Jeffs, who was already corrupt before he came to power, terrible things happen. For instance, marriage of truly underage girls has become frequent only in the recent decades of the FLDS. Prior to that most married in their late teens or even early 20s.


5 posted on 08/01/2011 6:39:36 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

I first heard about Warren Jeffs not from the Oprah Show but from the Dr. Phil Show. He had 2 girls on the show that had escaped from the compound in Colorado City, Arizona from a show in April 2005. The 2 shows involved are titled “Brainwashed Brides” and “Inside the Cult”.

He then moved the cult from Arizona to Texas.


6 posted on 08/01/2011 7:50:58 AM PDT by Eric Roelfsema
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan; MizSterious; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Godzilla; Tennessee Nana

While never ideal, IMO, the lifestyle is not inherently completely abusive of women and children.

- - — - -
Wow. Just WOW. You came to that conclusion based on reading a few books?

I have known several FLDS (and other Mormon breakoff groups) families. I know even more people who left. My husband and I are registered as a ‘safe house’ for women who leave and My husband has offered to do legal work for these women pro-bono.

I have discussed and listened to their testimonies for hours on end. I have spent years researching Polygamy in Mormonism (and the breakoffs).

To say that it is not inherently abusive is absurd. Women are not valued except as cattle, there is widespread sexual abuse (often by preteen boys) against little girls. Rape is common and the women are blamed. There is lack of education for women, in part to control them, God is used to condone rape, violence, physical abuse and to ‘keep them in their place’. I have seen these things even in ‘independent’ polygamous families (ie no prophet). And that isn’t even starting on the abuse of young boys.

There are re-education camps where women are starved and isolated if they dare to speak out or contradict a man or to assert any independence. It is also a fallacy to state that underage marriage is a recent development. Underage marriage goes back to Joseph Smith (in this theology) and was common in the 19th century. In the breakoff groups, underage marriage has continued since the 1920’s. I know at least two women who were ‘married’ early to mid teans in the 1950’s.

Shame on you for reading a few books and asserting it is not inherently abusive, because the truth is completely different from your assertions.


7 posted on 08/01/2011 8:07:33 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Eric Roelfsema

That particular group also has compounds in several other states, CA, NV, ID, CO, WA, WY and SD and also in Canada (Bountiful).


8 posted on 08/01/2011 8:09:59 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

There are re-education camps where women are starved and isolated if they dare to speak out or contradict a man or to assert any independence.
_______________________________________

Brigham Young did something like this

He had a house where they put the women who went crazy or were “difficult” a prison of sorts

and he would put his unwanted cast offs out on lonely farms and expect them to slave for him without supplies etc

at least one of his women starved to death...


9 posted on 08/01/2011 8:15:13 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana; Pebcak; reaganaut; All

Ol’ crazy Jeffs is at it again. Can’t post the source until some other source publishes it—but apparently the trial has again been halted after Jeffs filed a motion to have Judge Walther removed.


10 posted on 08/01/2011 8:22:26 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

Can u freepmail it to me?


11 posted on 08/01/2011 8:26:15 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Yahoo picked it up—

Polygamist leader’s motion delays sex abuse trial
APBy WILL WEISSERT - Associated Press | AP – 4 mins 29 secs ago

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — The trial of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs is on hold after he filed another motion to remove the West Texas judge presiding over the case.

The head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has twice tried to recuse state District Judge Barbara Walther. It wasn’t immediately clear how long the trial will be delayed after Jeffs filed the motion Monday.

http://news.yahoo.com/polygamist-leaders-motion-delays-sex-abuse-trial-150939962.html


No mention of when the trial might resume, or what grounds he’s using.


12 posted on 08/01/2011 8:33:00 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

The twitter account for SanAngelo states that the motion is a ‘revelation from God’ and is 16 pages.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 8:38:03 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

No mention of when the trial might resume, or what grounds he’s using.
_____________________________________________________

1. Shes a woman

2. shes a woman in authority

3. Shes a woman with power over him, a man

The plan is to never let it resume...


14 posted on 08/01/2011 8:40:02 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

a ‘revelation from god’ and is 16 pages.
_______________________________________

Hasnt the mormon god heard of txt ???


15 posted on 08/01/2011 8:41:31 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana; MizSterious

Actually, I would not be surprised if it is because she is an ‘ungodly woman’ (gentile) and part of the “whore of babylon”.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 8:42:13 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Yeah that too


17 posted on 08/01/2011 8:44:12 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

16 pages? That man never uses a few words when a multitude of them are available, eh? I’d love to see the motion.


18 posted on 08/01/2011 8:48:57 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana; MizSterious

Recusal motion #3 already denied, trial resuming.


19 posted on 08/01/2011 8:50:36 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

How many ways can you say “I’m a sexist pig”


20 posted on 08/01/2011 8:51:00 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Speed Reading City

:)


21 posted on 08/01/2011 8:51:54 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Hes got to be going out out of his cottin pickin obsessed mind that a woman is in charge..


22 posted on 08/01/2011 8:54:16 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

The irony...


23 posted on 08/01/2011 8:55:19 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

me too


24 posted on 08/01/2011 8:55:52 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Hah! Glad this trial is in Texas. In Utah or Arizona, I’ll bet they would have folded, and he’d be walking free by now.


25 posted on 08/01/2011 8:57:26 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana

LOL—and don’t forget the godlike part.


26 posted on 08/01/2011 8:58:50 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]


Click the Dice!

Don't Gamble With Free Republic's Future

Give what you can
Or donate monthly, and a sponsoring FReeper will contribute $10
Become a sponsoring FReeper – Contact TheOldLady

27 posted on 08/01/2011 8:59:22 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana

Irony indeed.


28 posted on 08/01/2011 9:00:11 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut; Tennessee Nana

You have freepmail. Can’t wait for another news source to publish information on this recusal motion...


29 posted on 08/01/2011 9:04:14 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious; Tennessee Nana

“I am to now recuse you from this case,” “Now sign order to recuse thyself; and allow this proceeding to stop ... “

from the motion.


30 posted on 08/01/2011 9:04:47 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious; Larry Lucido; reaganaut
Oprah was the worst. In Winfrey’s much-hyped hour long sycophantic special, the toughest questions she asked were about the women’s hair and dress. And amid this onslaught of sympathetic and simple-minded coverage, Texas officials caved.

Oprah should be ashamed...

31 posted on 08/01/2011 9:08:44 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana
He's got to be going out out of his cottin pickin obsessed mind that a woman is in charge..

I hope it drives him crazy....crazier than he already is.

32 posted on 08/01/2011 9:10:47 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Scarpetta; Tennessee Nana; MizSterious

I think we may be getting a glimpse of what Joseph Smith’s legal battles were like or would have been like.


33 posted on 08/01/2011 9:15:21 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

Judge Barbara Walther

34 posted on 08/01/2011 9:15:40 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

‘Polygamist Jeffs’ trial resumes after motion to remove judge fails’

“Jeffs was able to file the motion days into his trial
because a rules committee of the Texas Supreme Court changed the time frame for filing a recusal motion. Previously, a person had to file 10 days before the trial, but the new rule, which took effect Monday, allows a person to argue reasons for filing after that date.”

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52302848-78/jeffs-trial-judge-motion.html.csp

*****


35 posted on 08/01/2011 9:27:40 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

From the Mormon owned Deseret News in Utah

SAN ANGELO, Texas — The trial of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs is on hold after he filed another motion to remove the West Texas judge presiding over the case.

The head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has twice tried to recuse state District Judge Barbara Walther. It wasn’t immediately clear how long the trial will be delayed after Jeffs filed the motion Monday.

Jeffs is accused of sexually assaulting two underage girls he took as brides. His followers believe polygamy brings exaltation in heaven and see Jeffs as God’s earthly spokesman.

The 55-year-old fired his attorneys and is representing himself. He gave a speech defending polygamy Friday, then read a statement he said was from God promising “sickness and death” unless the persecution of his religion ceases.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700167488/Warren-Jeffs-motion-delays-sex-abuse-trial.html

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

All Jeffs was doing was quoting the curses from Mormon doctrine written by his religious guru leader Joey Smith to those who interfer with polygamy...doctrines and covenants 132


36 posted on 08/01/2011 9:32:45 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana

Nice “religion.”


37 posted on 08/01/2011 9:35:43 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana
a ‘revelation from god’ and is 16 pages.
Hasnt the mormon god heard of txt ???

Your comment made my day, ROTFL!

38 posted on 08/01/2011 9:36:40 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

(Jeffs) “I am to now recuse you from this case,”
______________________________________________

The judge) “Maybe you didnt understand the first time, Mr Jeffs. I could care less what you think your mormon god told you.”


39 posted on 08/01/2011 9:52:21 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: greyfoxx39

AWWWWWWWWWWWW

I love that cute kitteh

:)


40 posted on 08/01/2011 9:53:27 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana

Why I am not a judge. I would have said, well then your ‘god’ can come down here personally and deliever his message. I don’t deal with third parties.

(Cue trial scene of movie Oh, God!)


41 posted on 08/01/2011 10:01:53 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

“Call in your next witness”

“Call the mormon god”


42 posted on 08/01/2011 10:03:08 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana
Photobucket
43 posted on 08/01/2011 11:04:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana; reaganaut; Dr. Scarpetta; All

Warren Jeffs Back In Court After Motion to Remove Judge Fails

By KATIE KINDELAN
Aug. 1, 2011

The sexual assault trial of Warren Jeffs resumed Monday after a one-hour delay to review and reject a motion filed by the polygamist sect leader to have the longtime judge in his case, Texas District Judge Barbara Walther, removed.

Jeffs told the San Angelo, Texas, courtroom where his trial is being held today that a revelation from God prompted him to file the motion against Walther, whom he said God labeled "a woman of evil intent."

"I am to now recuse you from this case," Jeffs wrote in his transcription of the message he said was delivered to him by God on Sunday, according to the Associated Press. "Now sign order to recuse thyself; and allow this proceeding to stop ..."

Judge Walther was forced to call a recess in order to have an outside judge review the 16-page filing from Jeffs, forcing yet another delay in proceedings as the slow-moving trial began its sixth day.

(Excerpt--click the link to read the rest...)


Looks like Tennessee Nana guessed right when we were wondering what grounds...LOL! The judge is a "woman of evil intent."

44 posted on 08/01/2011 11:07:09 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

According to several separate twitter reports, his ‘exhibit a’ is a letter from God informing the judge that God has already given her a “crippling disease that will soon take her life”.

At least he is entertaining. I would love to be in that courtroom.


45 posted on 08/01/2011 11:09:36 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious; Tennessee Nana; Dr. Scarpetta

Judge Walther was forced to call a recess in order to have an outside judge review the 16-page filing from Jeffs

- - - - -
More like force to call a recess until she could stop laughing.


46 posted on 08/01/2011 11:18:41 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Good grief. Imagine what life must be like for people who actually take him seriously.


47 posted on 08/01/2011 11:21:36 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

Knowing a couple of people who actually left his compound, it was Hell.


48 posted on 08/01/2011 11:24:13 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Expert: Polygamist leader had child with girl, 15

AP By WILL WEISSERT - Associated Press | AP – 4 mins 10 secs ago

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — A forensic analyst says DNA evidence shows with 99.99 percent certainty that a polygamist religious leader fathered a child with a 15-year-old girl.

http://news.yahoo.com/expert-polygamist-leader-had-child-girl-15-180319959.html


How long do you think it will take him to write up a new order from God to stop the trial? ;)


49 posted on 08/01/2011 11:27:19 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

He could claim ‘virgin birth’ but that would be a problem since their (and Mormon theology) doesn’t even believe in that. Rather LDS theology (and the breakoffs) teach God had to have sex with Mary to conceive Jesus.


50 posted on 08/01/2011 11:36:20 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-128 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson