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Congress jumps into 'Amazon sales tax' issue
The Orange County Register ^ | 8/1/2011 | Jan Norman

Posted on 08/01/2011 10:20:54 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket

Three Democrats have introduced a federal bill that would require online retailers such as Amazon.com to collect states' sales taxes.

U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill) and Representatives John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Peter Welch (D-Vt.) call their proposal that was introduced July 29 the Main Street Fairness Act.

Amazon.com, which has been fighting individual states – including California – over efforts to require online retailers to collect state and local sales tax, is supporting the bill, according to a letter to Durbin from Amazon.com Vice President for Global Public Policy Paul Misener.

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1 posted on 08/01/2011 10:20:58 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket
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To: So Cal Rocket

Easily the most Orwellian title for an overreach-and-tax bill I’ve yet seen.


2 posted on 08/01/2011 10:23:56 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: So Cal Rocket

When you see anything with the word FAIR in it—you know where it’s coming from.


3 posted on 08/01/2011 10:26:37 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (NO, I WON"T VOTE FOR THE O)
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To: So Cal Rocket

I don’t see this going anywhere.


4 posted on 08/01/2011 10:27:02 AM PDT by demkicker (Helping Democrats Become Extinct)
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To: So Cal Rocket

I’m asking myself “what the heck is Amazon thinking signing on to this nonsense?”


5 posted on 08/01/2011 10:30:01 AM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: demkicker
I don’t see this going anywhere.

Really? This is a prime candidate for another RINO screw job. Boehner and McConnell will love this!

6 posted on 08/01/2011 10:31:25 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: demkicker
This is crap. There never used to be a tax on catalogue sales such as from Sears catalogue. So why start taxing out-of-state sales? Why can't a resident of New York buy from Nebraska, tax free? His home state had nothing to do with facilitating free commerce to its citizen, did nothing to earn that sales tax.
7 posted on 08/01/2011 10:31:34 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: demkicker
Are you sure? These idiot Republicans are jumping all over themselves to be the first one to sell out to Democrats.

First the debt ceiling, then giving the government the right to snoop on the internet, now this.
8 posted on 08/01/2011 10:31:41 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: So Cal Rocket

I started to order something online yesterday and they were in CA and tried to charge me sales tax. I called and asked them if they had a warehouse or store in my state, they said no but they had to charge it. I have no idea if they were right or wrong and don’t care. I ordered it elsewhere with no sales tax. They start that it will drastically hurt online sales and their is HUGE money in that market. Nice job dems, tank the economy some more.
Lots of online sales are spur of the moment, things you don’t necessarily need. Taxes would probably be deal breaker on many of my online purchases. I can dump a cart as fast as I can fill it. Go ahead dems, it will keep more money sitting in my pocket.


9 posted on 08/01/2011 10:31:59 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: So Cal Rocket

I started to order something online yesterday and they were in CA and tried to charge me sales tax. I called and asked them if they had a warehouse or store in my state, they said no but they had to charge it. I have no idea if they were right or wrong and don’t care. I ordered it elsewhere with no sales tax. They start that it will drastically hurt online sales and there is HUGE money in that market. Nice job dems, tank the economy some more.
Lots of online sales are spur of the moment, things you don’t necessarily need. Taxes would probably be deal breaker on many of my online purchases. I can dump a cart as fast as I can fill it. Go ahead dems, it will keep more money sitting in my pocket.


10 posted on 08/01/2011 10:32:15 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: drbuzzard

I have no clue but I just took them out of my bookmarked sites, deleted my stored password, went on the site, removed all stored credit cards, info and they will never get another cent from me. I’ll leave my account until something I ordered arrives, then I will delete that too. I’m not one of those people that forgive because it’s easier for me. They piss me off, I’m done with them. DONE!!


11 posted on 08/01/2011 10:35:31 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: mojitojoe

Maybe I don’t understand the problem, but mail order has had to do this and I don’t see why internet retailers should get a pass.


12 posted on 08/01/2011 10:35:41 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Sales tax is a nightmare for corporation. It is not merely a 50 state thing. Cities and counties have different sales tax rates for different shopping malls, sometimes. I worked at T-Mobile with the tax department and it is amazing what we had to do to jump through the tax hoops every time we did something that affected retail sales.

I think that is the reason Amazon is backing this. I am taking an educated guess that it is saying that firms like Amazon would only have to charge one sales tax rate per state regardless of WHERE in the state the item is being sold. That would make data processing a very simple thing.

It is also very reasonable.

I love getting the “no sales tax” on online purchases, but I confess taht I don’t think it is fair to the brick and mortar businesses. This would be fair to everyone involved.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 10:36:43 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Shouldn’t be called the send more American jobs to foreign countries while there are still some act?


14 posted on 08/01/2011 10:37:07 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: DonaldC

Nice to see you are for more taxes.... as if we don’t pay enough. I don’t give a crap if they pass it or not, go for it. I won’t shop online anymore, there will be no advantage to it.


15 posted on 08/01/2011 10:37:37 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: Ciexyz

>>There never used to be a tax on catalogue sales such as from Sears catalogue. <<

Actually I think there always was, but it just wasn’t enforced. In my state (until tomorrow, that is), Washington, you are supposed to add up all your catalog purchases and send the state a check for the sales tax. If you don’t, you are technically breaking the law.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 10:38:16 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

There are 7,500 + tax jurisdictions in America. A total and complete nightmare for any nation-wide company.


17 posted on 08/01/2011 10:38:59 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: DonaldC
but mail order has had to do this

No they haven't. If you order something from, let's say St. Louis, MO and you live in Chicago, IL, you don't pay either Illinois or Missouri sales tax on it.

18 posted on 08/01/2011 10:40:13 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: So Cal Rocket
Giving online retailers a sales tax advantage may have been great for shipping, software, and computer companies, but it has treated local retailers inequitably, equally true of shopping out of state over the phone.

We do need some government and it cannot operate without revenue. IMO, sales taxes, as long as they are kept below 10% are an effective tool that taxes equitably (when they go over that rate the cost is too much incentive for organized crime). If people don't want to pay sales taxes they should elect representatives who will cut spending to lower rates. In any case, taxes should be levied evenly among suppliers to the customer who makes the purchase from within that state.

19 posted on 08/01/2011 10:40:17 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: "We need a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Future Snake Eater

I live in VA and I half to self report purchases I make on the internet.


20 posted on 08/01/2011 10:40:50 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: RobRoy

The way Amazon is set up, that would be a nightmare! There must be some reason they are for it. They probably figure they will end up with some of the taxes collected. Anyway, I’m done with Amazon forever. Side with dems, you are dead to me, end of story.


21 posted on 08/01/2011 10:41:06 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: drbuzzard
I’m asking myself “what the heck is Amazon thinking signing on to this nonsense?”

That the costs of collection will hit their competitors far harder than them, leaving them with a competative advantage. The reason so many CEOs and Wall Street types are Dims is because they discovered that they can legislate money into their pockets.

22 posted on 08/01/2011 10:41:55 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Ciexyz

Catalog sales were taxes via normal sales tax if you and they were in the same state (recall those little boxes on the bottom say thing like “residents of Utah add 5%). And in most states if you weren’t in the same state you the buyer were supposed to self report. Nobody ever did of course, but you’re supposed to.


23 posted on 08/01/2011 10:42:45 AM PDT by discostu (keep on keeping on)
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To: Ciexyz
His home state had nothing to do with facilitating free commerce to its citizen, did nothing to earn that sales tax. .

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I agree.... Don't feel the home state has any part of transaction.

24 posted on 08/01/2011 10:43:01 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: RobRoy
In my state (until tomorrow, that is), Washington, you are supposed to add up all your catalog purchases and send the state a check for the sales tax. If you don’t, you are technically breaking the law.

That is really how the laws are supposed to work, but almost no one ever does that. The onus is on the purchaser, not the out of State retailer, though. To force a business to calculate sales taxes for a Governmental entity that it is not under the jurisdiction of is ludicrous on the surface.

25 posted on 08/01/2011 10:43:59 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Slings and Arrows

It is possible they see this as using a club against their competitors.

I think the other possibility is that they think they are going to get clubbed with this eventually, and they prefer to pick the club. They probably also prefer for there to be a standardized federal club rather than 50 varying clubs from all the states.

What I think is particularly stupid on their part is the fact that such a bill will get stopped dead in the House anyway, so why risk ticking people off?


26 posted on 08/01/2011 10:44:48 AM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Maybe not this time, but they’ll get this done, just watch. And justify it by two words: “Commerce Clause”.


27 posted on 08/01/2011 10:48:18 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: So Cal Rocket; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”Three Democrats have introduced a federal bill that would require online retailers such as Amazon.com to collect states’ sales taxes. U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill) and Representatives John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Peter Welch (D-Vt.) call their proposal that was introduced July 29 the Main Street Fairness Act. Amazon.com, which has been fighting individual states – including California – over efforts to require online retailers to collect state and local sales tax, is supporting the bill, according to a letter to Durbin from Amazon.com Vice President for Global Public Policy Paul Misener.

Notice the Marxists of party like Conyers want to increase (sales) taxes on the middle class in this contrary to their repeated claims. Notice they put the word ‘fairness’ in the title of every bill? If congressional Republicans went along with this tax increase they would deserve to lose. Socialists (OMalley Democrats) in Maryland raised the state sales tax so they would LOVE this idea.

28 posted on 08/01/2011 10:48:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: So Cal Rocket

any comments from these 3 stooges on Obama's man Immelt moving so many jobs to China?....didn't think so.

29 posted on 08/01/2011 10:51:31 AM PDT by Troublemaker
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A state issue, you jackbooted, VAT salivating nincompoops.


30 posted on 08/01/2011 10:52:50 AM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: mojitojoe

I’m with you

I am tired of supporting libtards

if I see an advertisement on CNN for something i use- I switch brands and tell them why

they always try to boycott conservatives and fox news and give their advertisers a hard time

so lets =do the same to them


31 posted on 08/01/2011 10:54:01 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: So Cal Rocket

Like rust, tax and spend socialists never sleep...


32 posted on 08/01/2011 10:56:24 AM PDT by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: demkicker
"I don’t see this going anywhere.

This is probably going to come to fruition. Chamber's of commerce in every metropolis, small, and medium burgs all over the US will be backing this and pounding down the doors of their Congress beings to get it passed. I'm surprised we've enjoyed tax free Amazon et al for this long. I'll surely miss it. If you've got your eye on a big purchase I'd get it before this monster bites.

The tax issue aside my biggest concern over this is state's rights. But then individual states have long ago given up their sovereignty. Also you know state governments will be supporting this bill heavily.

33 posted on 08/01/2011 10:57:18 AM PDT by Graneros ("It is no exaggeration to say that the undecided could go one way or another.")
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To: Perdogg

Do the ILLEGALS in Virginia have to do likewise?
Does your state even check for ILLEGALS obeying any laws.


34 posted on 08/01/2011 11:03:32 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: So Cal Rocket

When there’s a scheme to raise taxes, you can bet a Democrat is behind it.


35 posted on 08/01/2011 11:03:52 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: GOYAKLA

What do illegals have to do with sales taxes?


36 posted on 08/01/2011 11:05:12 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: RobRoy

there used to be no sales tax period.


37 posted on 08/01/2011 11:06:54 AM PDT by old gringo
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To: DonaldC
Maybe I don’t understand the problem, but mail order has had to do this and I don’t see why internet retailers should get a pass.

Actually, the current laws apply to mail-order and internet sales.

For states that have sales taxes, they usually also have a corresponding use tax (it varies, but this is just in general).

The use tax is due on items you purchased from out of state, but didn't pay sales tax on.

Most folks don't even know about use taxes, or if they do, they don't pay them.

Catalog and mail-order companies, even the companies that sell you the thingamajig on TV for only 19.99 plus shipping and handling, will all tell you to add your state's sales tax if you live in certain states.

The rule for most state sales tax collections is that, if you have a brick-and-mortar presence in the state, then you must collect sales taxes on items sold via the catalog (now internet) mail-order services to customers within that state. Of course, this all varies by state. But ultimately it is because consumers don't follow their own state's laws and don't file to pay any use taxes due. Which is why the states are screaming.

38 posted on 08/01/2011 11:07:56 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: demkicker

It will. The beast is starving, and the local stores are folding.

States need the money, and they will go after it anyway they can. Just wait till this filters down to the city level.


39 posted on 08/01/2011 11:16:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Can you say “DOA?”
I new you could. In the unlikely event it makes it out of committee, the ‘Pubbies will kill it, proving once again, that there is, at least, a dime’s worth of difference between ‘Pubbies and Democrats.


40 posted on 08/01/2011 11:20:26 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Easily the most Orwellian title for an overreach-and-tax bill I’ve yet seen.

In the last 20 years I have not seen a single 'Rat-sponsored bill that did NOT have an Orwellian title.

41 posted on 08/01/2011 11:20:45 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: RobRoy
Here's a list of all the jurisdictions in just New York State...

http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub718.pdf

42 posted on 08/01/2011 11:21:31 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Such a tax is a tax on interstate commerce, which is
unconstitutional.

It would lessen (theoretically) such interstate commerce
by erecting barriers (ie., it would be cheaper to buy
locally and not have to pay the additional s/h).


43 posted on 08/01/2011 11:21:38 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: mojitojoe

It’s not like you get a great benefit when you order online, because one way or another the shipping cost has to be accounted for. It seems to me to be something of a wash usually. If I had to pay tax AND shipping, it would be an unfair penalty on me for using the internet. And yes, it would make me stop using it as much. Only trouble is, more and more, I can’t think of where to buy this or that locally - I HAVE to use the interwebs.


44 posted on 08/01/2011 11:23:57 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: So Cal Rocket
We have one business that is doing quite well, so of course it has to be throttled.
I hear they sell Glenn Beck books. Can't have that go unchecked.

45 posted on 08/01/2011 11:25:38 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: DonaldC
Maybe I don’t understand the problem, but mail order has had to do this and I don’t see why internet retailers should get a pass.

A neighbor a few blocks away got mugged at a certain intersection. Must I reroute myself and also go through that intersection? Why should I get a pass?

The interstate commerce prohibition of obstructing interstate commerce has been repealed?
As far as I know there is no national sales tax, nor should there be. Just another hidden stealth means of the Feds getting more of our money.

As an aside, there is something perverse about collecting a tax when I download an electronic book, for instance. Nothing physical is being transfered.

46 posted on 08/01/2011 11:31:14 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Ciexyz
This is crap. There never used to be a tax on catalogue sales such as from Sears catalogue.

At least for Michigan, yes, there was and is. You're supposed to self-report any mail order sales on your state income tax return.

Non-income tax states such as Florida have self-reporting forms that you are supposed to fill out and send in along with the sales tax payment.

47 posted on 08/01/2011 11:39:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Future Snake Eater

So, how can Congress claim that it has the power to REQUIRE collection of state sales taxes in other states?


48 posted on 08/01/2011 11:40:41 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

To Congress...
Either Constitutionally propose it as an amendment to be ratified by three-quarters of the states or stay out of unconstitutional meddling.


49 posted on 08/01/2011 11:44:51 AM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Drill Thrawl

passes almost unanimously


50 posted on 08/01/2011 11:57:01 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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