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Publicity from fatal fight affecting officers' morale
Orange County Register ^ | 8/1/11 | Denisse Salazar

Posted on 08/01/2011 7:32:26 PM PDT by Nachum

The death of a homeless man fatally injured during a fight with Fullerton police has captured the attention of the community and affected morale in the department.

Kelly Thomas, 37, who was schizophrenic, died July 10, five days after the confrontation with six police officers at the Fullerton Transportation Center.

Fullerton police Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said the department has received hundreds of phone calls and e-mails from across California and hundreds turned out to protest Saturday morning at the Fullerton police station.

"It's not pleasant to see people in front of the police station calling the officers 'murderers,'" Goodrich said.

"We understand the community is outraged and concerned and what we've said all along is the incident happened, but the chief called for an outside agency to do a transparent investigation of what happened that night," Goodrich said.

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1 posted on 08/01/2011 7:32:32 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Judging from the photos I’ve seen, he wasn’t “injured during a fight”, he was savagely beaten and electrocuted to death.


2 posted on 08/01/2011 7:34:41 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Nachum
How dare civilians question their jackboot overlords.
3 posted on 08/01/2011 7:34:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Nachum
"It's not pleasant to see people in front of the police station calling the officers 'murderers,'" Goodrich said.

Then maybe they shouldn't have murdered the guy.

Or just go out and kill the demonstrators, too.

4 posted on 08/01/2011 7:36:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Nachum
Publicity from fatal fight affecting officers' morale

The murdered guy is pretty bummed, too.

Easy prediction: complete clearance for all involved officers, paid leaves and promotions.

5 posted on 08/01/2011 7:39:46 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Nachum

They should quit then.


6 posted on 08/01/2011 7:41:34 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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To: Nachum

If an ordinary citizen killed a homeless man he would be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide and thrown in jail where he would sit unless he could make bail.

Policemen who kill get desk duty and feel bad because they are called names. Maybe it was an accident but why wasn’t the prime suspect charged until things are sorted out? It is not like there were zero witnesses.


7 posted on 08/01/2011 7:41:48 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Nachum

The problem is that the 6 involved are still on the streets.

No one is safe until they get pulled while the investigation is conducted.


8 posted on 08/01/2011 7:43:42 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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To: Nachum
Here's the current state of affairs: when dealing with somebody who does not submit, officers are no longer willing to risk getting injured, bitten, or their pants ripped while physically restraining a guy. They will simply taze and beat the guy until he's motionless and unresisting. If he dies in the process, he dies.

That's their current training.

9 posted on 08/01/2011 7:44:23 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625
It's all on police surveillance tape. They know what went on. Show us the tapes, let us decide what happened. Oh yeah, 6 cops murdered a 135 mentally ill individual.
They hid it for 3 weeks until the dd released pictures of his son and they were published in the Daily Mail in UK.

We shouldn't rush to judgement without all the facts however the city of Fullerton has offerred the father $900,000 for his silence. Why don't they wait until we have all the facts. Maybe it will be $9,000,000 and 6 murder charges.

Murders, call them what they are. The other police should demand these 6 be removed from the force tonight.

10 posted on 08/01/2011 7:49:54 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Nachum

Cue the cop hating keyboard commandos.


11 posted on 08/01/2011 7:50:04 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Nachum
"It's not pleasant to see people in front of the police station calling the officers 'murderers,'" Goodrich said.

Well, then stop murdering people. Duh.

12 posted on 08/01/2011 7:52:01 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Nachum

I live in Fullerton and I’m only a couple of miles away from the transportation center. Saw the video with all the witnesses watching and have a question.

If another civilian attacks me I have the right to defend myself. But if I am attacked by a police officer that same defense is called resisting arrest. Another person, coming to my defense would be charged with interfering with a police officer.

So what are my rights if I’m unjustly attacked by a cop? Must I wait for the courts to give me justice and hope that I won’t get killed or maimed? Am I legally required to endure the beating just because my assailant has a badge?


13 posted on 08/01/2011 7:55:08 PM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: PapaBear3625
It's all on police surveillance tape. They know what went on. Show us the tapes, let us decide what happened. Oh yeah, 6 cops murdered a 135 mentally ill individual.
They hid it for 3 weeks until the dd released pictures of his son and they were published in the Daily Mail in UK.

We shouldn't rush to judgement without all the facts however the city of Fullerton has offerred the father $900,000 for his silence. Why don't they wait until we have all the facts. Maybe it will be $9,000,000 and 6 murder charges.

Murders, call them what they are. The other police should demand these 6 be removed from the force tonight.

14 posted on 08/01/2011 7:57:19 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Nachum

What about the variable of schizophrenia? Are these folks always mellow? Even-keeled? If they are off their meds, are they still? I just like to examine all the variables.


15 posted on 08/01/2011 7:58:03 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: SpaceBar

He was murdered. I hope they fry.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 7:58:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SpaceBar

According to the most recent article from the OC Register, the City of Fullerton has reportedly offered the dean man’s father $900,000. $900,000. for a man’s life? Is human life that cheap today? There needs to be a $90 million dollar lawsuit brought against Fullerton if police brutality can be proven, and there needs to be some accountability up the chain of command. You don’t do stuff like this unless the higher up’s condone it. Nothing this guy could have been doing should have resulted in his death! If a group of citizens had done this, they would all be in jail w/o bail awaiting a trial. Every day, as I peruse FR, I find police misconduct multiple times. And always, the PD “mouthpiece” is calling for calm while “ a transparent investigation” is conducted. That’s police speak for give us a few weeks to concoct a semi-plausable story so we can sweep this ugly mess under the rug. But not here it seems. You can’t get away with a wanton killing, even if you wear a blue suit.


17 posted on 08/01/2011 7:58:58 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And they can’t bully, beat or kill those uppity protestors who are “disrespecting the police” either. It must be stressful.


18 posted on 08/01/2011 8:00:12 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: bboop

Yes he was mentally ill. So that gives these policement the right to execute him.. Sounds like Nazi Germany, kill everyone who was old, sick or Jewish.


19 posted on 08/01/2011 8:02:27 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Talisker

The cartel gun running organization has been called in to conduct the investigation. I’m sure we can trust them! /s/


20 posted on 08/01/2011 8:03:07 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Truth is a Weapon

They should have been arrested like all the other thugs.


21 posted on 08/01/2011 8:03:48 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Nachum

this afternoon on kfi 640 am an anonymous informant

said that the officer who killed kelly was an

ex-lapd officer. he had graduated from the academy

recently and had one eye shot out in a gang fight.

lapd let him go with a settlement.

fullerton picked him up to save money on academy training.

also, kfi played a video and audio of bus riders discussing what they saw as kelly was murdered.


22 posted on 08/01/2011 8:04:46 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Nachum, guys like this must be lurkers, or they are cops. I guess I am a “cop hater,” because I am repulsed at this kind of behavior. Our former Chief of Police (a former friend until I found out what a total jerk he was) would say that this is “Death by Cop.” Stated more succinctly, “ he wanted to die, so he forced a confrontation with these morons in Blue.”


23 posted on 08/01/2011 8:04:50 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Celtic Cross
I'm not a cop hater, but it's hard to justify what was done to this man.


24 posted on 08/01/2011 8:11:38 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: redheadtoo

How to resist a beating by an angry small town cop:

1) Have cop friends who will stop him

or

2) Offer the cop your wallet and ask him if he will take a check

or

3) Bend head between legs and kiss your ass goodbye


25 posted on 08/01/2011 8:12:30 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: NoLibZone
"The problem is that the 6 involved are still on the streets."

If all 6 cops on the scene unanimously participated in the torture and murder of a disabled man in plain view of the public, the problem is not just these 6 killers. The entire police culture is the problem.

Statistically, if all 6 at the scene did this, then nearly everyone on the Fullerton police force would have done the same. These 6 are not exceptions who just happened to come together.

26 posted on 08/01/2011 8:13:50 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: vette6387

Fullerton is (for California) a pretty Conservative area. I suspect the Town is pretty quite and the Cops were just blowing off some steam after not having much to do other than eat Donuts for the last 364 days. /s The Man’s face is unrecocnizable...the Cops should face the Death Penalty. Just more Union Goons whom we can’t count on our side anymore. It’s going to be a nasty revolution.


27 posted on 08/01/2011 8:14:04 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Nachum
“It's not pleasant to see people in front of the police station calling the officers ‘murderers,’” Goodrich said.
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I suppose it's much more pleasant to be beaten and tazed
to death by malignant pus sacs bearing badges.
28 posted on 08/01/2011 8:29:23 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: Kozy
"The other police should demand these 6 be removed from the force tonight. "

In cop culture, murdering a non-cop is acceptable. But snitching on a fellow cop for murdering a non-cop is the worst thing you can do. The snitch would be punished in a big way, possibly dying in an accident or having a family member die in an accident.

If anyone thinks cops would not do that sort of thing, scroll to the top of this window and read the article.

29 posted on 08/01/2011 8:33:25 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Kozy
Murders, call them what they are. The other police should demand these 6 be removed from the force tonight.

The fact that they don't means they are all accessories after the fact.

Police should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us because of the power and trust they are given, but I'd be more than willing to just have them held to the same one they hold us to.

30 posted on 08/01/2011 8:34:23 PM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: Talisker

Not this time


31 posted on 08/01/2011 8:39:32 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! I know i was kidding)
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To: Nachum
Fullerton's Future is a local blog with excellent updates and solidarity. My oldest brother is a mentally ill homeless person in Fullerton just like Kelly and I regularly look for him at the Armory on Valencia (when open).

The 6 police officers are guilty of murder. The FPD are trying to save face and avoid a public relations nightmare. Very sad. Kelly was calling for "Dad" many times on July 5th. Heartbreaking.
32 posted on 08/01/2011 8:50:49 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: Kozy

“Yes he was mentally ill. So that gives these policement the right to execute him.. Sounds like Nazi Germany, kill everyone who was old, sick or Jewish.”

And the police knew the man was schizophrenic how? Isn’t hindsight grand?


33 posted on 08/01/2011 8:51:10 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: SaraJohnson

“And they can’t bully, beat or kill those uppity protestors who are “disrespecting the police” either. It must be stressful.”

Maybe they could shoot some dogs to cheer themselves up?


34 posted on 08/01/2011 8:57:19 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: flaglady47

Lots of 37 year old men cry for their dad... How does that boot taste?


35 posted on 08/01/2011 9:02:41 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: redheadtoo

I wonder the same.

Even further:

If a CCW uses force to save a civilian in such a situation ,then what?


36 posted on 08/01/2011 9:09:09 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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To: EEGator
Lots of 37 year old men cry for their dad...

A father's living torture ...to be haunted by the knowledge that your son was crying out for you while he was being beaten to death, and you weren't there.

37 posted on 08/01/2011 9:11:35 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: EEGator

“Lots of 37 year old men cry for their dad... How does that boot taste?”

Hitler loved his dog. Bad people with mental problems can still be a problem, wouldn’t you say?


38 posted on 08/01/2011 9:14:53 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

It’s terrible. Losing your son is bad enough, but that is even worse. I hope he can find peace. I don’t know if I could.


39 posted on 08/01/2011 9:15:37 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Nachum

If the dead man was black.... Then the media would be all over it.


40 posted on 08/01/2011 9:16:31 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: flaglady47

You just compared a mentally ill homeless man who was beaten to death to Hitler!? You disgust me.


41 posted on 08/01/2011 9:18:18 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: flaglady47
"And the police knew the man was schizophrenic how? Isn’t hindsight grand?

If you can excuse this torture and murder, you must be in the police fraternity.

42 posted on 08/01/2011 9:21:25 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: NoLibZone

“If a CCW uses force to save a civilian in such a situation ,then what?”

You raised a most difficult issue - “Does the armed citizen have the right to use lethal force to prevent serious bodily injury or death if the attacker is in uniform?”

Given that LEO’s wear body armor and that the CCW citizen probably does not, would the citizen not need far more firepower than a handgun?

How many citizens travel with a weapon able to penetrate armor?

Assuming the citizen was fired upon by the LEO’s committing the assumed felony, and the citizen then shot or killed some or all of the felonious LEO’s, what legal ramifications might exist?

Are there any lawyers reading this thread?


43 posted on 08/01/2011 9:23:28 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: EEGator

“You just compared a mentally ill homeless man who was beaten to death to Hitler!? You disgust me.”

Obviously the analogy was beyond you, so you chose to engage in hyperbole. Geez, you sound just like a Dem, those poor homeless, mentally ill bums. Then go argue with the Dems who let them wander out on the streets with impunity to cause problems for the rest of us. Sorry, my sympathy is limited.


44 posted on 08/01/2011 9:27:58 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Well, all of the libertarians must have lit on this thread. Police state vitriol is at the max. Sorry, I happen to not think of the police (with the exception of the occasional bad egg) as my enemies. A cop lives in my condo building and he goes out of his way to be helpful to others. So many threads, so little time to spew forth venom on our “police state”. Go to Syria if you want to experience a real police state.


45 posted on 08/01/2011 9:32:27 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Better a “cop hating keyboard commando” than a LEO “fluffer.”


46 posted on 08/01/2011 9:32:48 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: flaglady47

The analog was beyond me, I admit that. Do you approve of what the six officers did to him? There is a vast difference between me being a “Dem” and approving of what should be murder.


47 posted on 08/01/2011 9:35:52 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: NoLibZone
They should quit then.

My guess is a number of officers are setting the stage for retiring with disability (and thus a larger pension), citing mental duress. That's the big thing around here these days: a lot of LEO's come down with sudden disabilities...often about six months before they were scheduled to retire in the first place.

48 posted on 08/01/2011 9:38:42 PM PDT by Cu Roi
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To: flaglady47
cop lives in my condo building and he goes out of his way to be helpful to others.

My God how the intellectual acuity of FReepers has dropped.

The problem isn't how they treat you when they are trying to "be helpful." It's what they'll do to you if you annoy them.

49 posted on 08/01/2011 9:43:01 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: vette6387
My father was a cop and he also said if a cop is out of control, the one responsible is his immediate superior...they are the one’s that allow their men to be brutal or harass a citizen, but he was an old time cop. Retired in 1950. lived to be 85. He had men working under him and told me if any of them got out of line with the citizens, they wouldn't last long under him. I believe there are still some good guys out there. But the bad one’s we hear about should all be fired, and lose any pensions they have paid into.....that might put a stop to some of the crappy cops. Hit them in their pocketbook...
50 posted on 08/01/2011 9:53:24 PM PDT by goat granny
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