Skip to comments.Navy prepares submarines for 1st female officers
Posted on 08/01/2011 9:59:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog
HARTFORD, Conn. ---- For Ensign Peggy LeGrand, the biggest concern about serving on a submarine is not spending weeks at a time in tight quarters with an entirely male crew. What worries her is the scrutiny that comes with breaking one of the last gender barriers in the U.S. military.
"I have a feeling more people will be focused on us. Our mistakes and successes will be magnified more than they deserve," said LeGrand, 25, a Naval Academy graduate from Amarillo, Texas.
LeGrand is among a small group of female officers who are training at sites including Groton, Conn., to join the elite submarine force beginning later this year. While the Navy says it is not treating them any differently from their male counterparts, officials have been working to prepare the submarine crews ---- and the sailors' wives ---- for one of the most dramatic changes in the 111-year history of the Navy's "silent service."
The initial class of 24 women will be divided among four submarines, where they will be outnumbered by men by a ratio of roughly 25 to 1. The enlisted ranks, which make up about 90 percent of a sub's 160-sailor crew, are not open to women ---- although the Navy is exploring modifications to create separate bunks for men and women.
The female officers, many of them engineering graduates from Annapolis, are accustomed to being in the minority, and so far they say they hardly feel like outsiders. The nuclear power school that is part of their training, for example, has been open to women for years because the Navy in 1994 reversed a ban on females serving on its surface ships, including nuclear-powered vessels.
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Are these women ready for all the seamen?
As long as the Navy doesn’t give the billet to a “Horrible Holly” type.
She'll have the captains quarters in no time.
Someday, traveling to Obama’s grave site will be a great pilgrimage for real Americans.
We have much to show him by our emptying our bladders on his eternal resting place.
I'm old school... u cant put a women in a foxhole with a guy and expect them not to notice a difference in their down time....
Maybe some day..but we haven't evolved enough yet...
A nub ensign?
This is gonna work out well. /s
On a sub you have 90 some non comms and maybe 14 officers.
The CO and XO, Nav officer and the OOD get respect.
All the others better talk to the COB
0bama would sell the whole US Navy to the Chicoms if he could get away with it.
A male Lt is going to get a lesson, let alone a female ensign.
If junior officers get special treatment, it will ruin the way order is run on a submarine.
Expect lots of unplanned pregnancies sooner than later.
On a boat, senior enlisted men are respected.
This gal better not come in with something to prove.
That is the least of my concerns, but if there is any of that it will create major problems.
My main concern is that this very junior officer wont get the same temperament that others must have to effectively run a boat.
We’ll see what happens, but I don’t like it already.
Does she get her own shower?
90+ guys sharing 2 showers and some gal gets her own?
That’s gonna be an issue with folks enduring hardships.
This is such a load of $&%#!!!
I feel lucky that I never had to deal with the crap that comes along with women serving on combat ships. I got off my ship 2 months before they got their first women officers. Everyone on board was against it and I still have friends in the Navy who tell me it has never been the same. Women do not belong on combat ships and they absolutely positively do not belong on submarines.
The more this kind of stuff happens the more im convinced that this country has seen it’s best days.
Me brudder, on an LST and a destroyer tender in the 80s, saw his ship/shore rotation go from 3 years/3 years to 5 years/1 year after his rate was femalified because the Navys machine shop women at sea usually got as pregnant as possible as often as possible to get mandated shore berthing for birthing.
I worked in an all male unit and one of the most annoying things was when we had an attached unit that allowed females. Without fail (WITHOUT FAIL!) there would be several men just hanging around the area where females were. It is a constant distraction and NOONE dares say ANYTHING because it is a career death sentence.
I know there are many FReepers who served. Anyone have a different experience?
I talk to guys that were in THAT navy and I am stunned by the psycho crap that is eating away at the chain of command.
You just cant let people have special privileges.
It ruins mens ressolve when you add that sort of thing to the mix
I did war games with Army who put women in the field.
It was bizarre.
We had a lactating woman that was given special treatment and upwards of 4 men would shuttle her breast milk back behind lines for the baby.
4 men gone, with a vehicle and assets with us sitting there with a prima donna
I call this madness.
My brother, who served on a fast-attack nuclear submarine for 4 years, says this social engineering will be nothing short of disastrous.
You call it correctly, as does anyone with half-an-ounce of sense.
Women are too much drama for close quarters
and I imagine in a world war fight for survival all this silly shite will be tossed pronto
it’s an indulgence
It will be nuclear but it won’t be an accident.
wait ‘till (any day now) openly gay males are serving on the subs and sharing those 2 showers
The Commander slot will be reserved for queers tho.
Why waste the time.
That was beyond a stupid situation. They couldn’t find something for the lady to do behind the lines?
It would be a fine testament to his years in the Oval Office...
Since pregnant females cannot serve aboard ships once their condition is known, I wonder what the Navy's contingency plan is to remove the pregnant females off the deployed subs and transfer them to shore stations?
If I was on a sub I’d demand to shower with a woman instead of a gay. We all know they BOTH would want me! So I should be able to make my own choice. I mean, choices is what it’s all about. Right?
This is wrong. Women do not belong on a sub with men. If they want an all female crew on a sub, okay fine, I guess. But mixed crew? No way. It’s wrong.
Is there enough room to find a private spot to "hook up" on a sub?
This is a big mistake. STS/2 SS
That is such horsesh*t!
Sorry, ladies. If you’re pregnant or nursing, you belong behind a desk on terra firma. You do not belong in a combat situation!
What woman in her right mind wants to be in a tin can under the ocean? Plenty of guys are not temperamentally suited for it either.....
Please refrain from posting profanity, thanks.
My neighbor was an XO and CO of a fast attack nuke too, and when he explained how small the living quarters are, I thought "No way is this a good idea".
>>>>”I know some women officers who do a good job and deserve everything they achieve.”
I’ve been comissioned for 13 years, mostly as a reservist, but with two mobilizations since 9/11. In my experience, I have never met a female officer (or senior noncom) who was competent at command. I have encountered female officers who are competent specialists, like JAGs, Intel, PAOs, Doctors, etc., but not one who was a good leader in the traditional military sense.
It’s the second-guessing, the lack of deciseveness, or women’s emotional stuff that clouds their judgement and, in my experience, makes them poor commanders. And that’s in the people who appear to me to be fundamentally decent human beings.
I’ve personally worked for an XO who had Holly Graf tendencies. A CO I worked for would vacation on the government dime while pretending to visit teams in the field. Both were clueless on mission basics.
Been a while since you were a young, hormone driven, 20 something.
If the opportunity arose, I would be able to find a nice, obscure spot for a little recreation. And given ten minutes, there are probably dozens that could be found on a sub.
“Every human culture is based on Women and children first and any attempt to do it any other way leads quickly to extinction.”
Attitudes, decisions and actions have consequences.
Oh for pete’s sake - it was satire.
Lt. Cmdr Dodge: Men, at ease. I'd like to introduce you to the newest member of our crew, Lt. Emily Lake. Emily is part of a pilot program to test the feasibility of women serving on submarines. She's going to be our diving officer.
Stepanek: Can she do a one-and-a-half inward back in the layout position?
Lt. Cmdr Dodge: All right, look, gentlemen! I know this is an unusual situation. Can't be easy for Lt. Lake here to be thrown into a jungle such as this, and I know it will make things hard on all of us...
Lt. Cmdr Dodge: Let me re-phrase that. It's going to make things *difficult* on all of us as well. But if we just work together as a team, I'm sure we can handle ourselves...
Lt. Cmdr Dodge: *Comport* ourselves as professionals. That is all.