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Navy prepares submarines for 1st female officers
nctimes.com ^ | 29 July 2011 | Michael Melia

Posted on 08/01/2011 9:59:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog

HARTFORD, Conn. ---- For Ensign Peggy LeGrand, the biggest concern about serving on a submarine is not spending weeks at a time in tight quarters with an entirely male crew. What worries her is the scrutiny that comes with breaking one of the last gender barriers in the U.S. military.

"I have a feeling more people will be focused on us. Our mistakes and successes will be magnified more than they deserve," said LeGrand, 25, a Naval Academy graduate from Amarillo, Texas.

LeGrand is among a small group of female officers who are training at sites including Groton, Conn., to join the elite submarine force beginning later this year. While the Navy says it is not treating them any differently from their male counterparts, officials have been working to prepare the submarine crews ---- and the sailors' wives ---- for one of the most dramatic changes in the 111-year history of the Navy's "silent service."

The initial class of 24 women will be divided among four submarines, where they will be outnumbered by men by a ratio of roughly 25 to 1. The enlisted ranks, which make up about 90 percent of a sub's 160-sailor crew, are not open to women ---- although the Navy is exploring modifications to create separate bunks for men and women.

The female officers, many of them engineering graduates from Annapolis, are accustomed to being in the minority, and so far they say they hardly feel like outsiders. The nuclear power school that is part of their training, for example, has been open to women for years because the Navy in 1994 reversed a ban on females serving on its surface ships, including nuclear-powered vessels.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: disorder; feminaziagenda; feminazism; globalforceforgood; ifitfeelsgooddohim; militaryrules; socialexperiment; submarines; usnavy
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1 posted on 08/01/2011 9:59:12 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: Revolting cat!

Are these women ready for all the seamen?


2 posted on 08/01/2011 10:06:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: smokingfrog

As long as the Navy doesn’t give the billet to a “Horrible Holly” type.


3 posted on 08/01/2011 10:07:14 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: smokingfrog
This is all she has to do.

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She'll have the captains quarters in no time.


4 posted on 08/01/2011 10:07:16 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: smokingfrog

Someday, traveling to Obama’s grave site will be a great pilgrimage for real Americans.

We have much to show him by our emptying our bladders on his eternal resting place.


5 posted on 08/01/2011 10:08:27 PM PDT by american_ranger
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To: smokingfrog
hate to be the 1st to say it.....but...

I'm old school... u cant put a women in a foxhole with a guy and expect them not to notice a difference in their down time....

Maybe some day..but we haven't evolved enough yet...

6 posted on 08/01/2011 10:08:53 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: M-cubed
as a side note...been there done that seen too much of it........it ain't pretty!
7 posted on 08/01/2011 10:11:18 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: smokingfrog

A nub ensign?
This is gonna work out well. /s


8 posted on 08/01/2011 10:20:44 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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On a sub you have 90 some non comms and maybe 14 officers.

The CO and XO, Nav officer and the OOD get respect.
All the others better talk to the COB


11 posted on 08/01/2011 10:31:42 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: american_ranger

0bama would sell the whole US Navy to the Chicoms if he could get away with it.


12 posted on 08/01/2011 10:32:51 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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A male Lt is going to get a lesson, let alone a female ensign.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 10:35:27 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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If junior officers get special treatment, it will ruin the way order is run on a submarine.


14 posted on 08/01/2011 10:41:15 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

Expect lots of unplanned pregnancies sooner than later.


15 posted on 08/01/2011 10:43:18 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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On a boat, senior enlisted men are respected.
This gal better not come in with something to prove.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 10:43:31 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: flaglady47

That is the least of my concerns, but if there is any of that it will create major problems.

My main concern is that this very junior officer wont get the same temperament that others must have to effectively run a boat.

We’ll see what happens, but I don’t like it already.
Does she get her own shower?


17 posted on 08/01/2011 10:47:04 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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90+ guys sharing 2 showers and some gal gets her own?

That’s gonna be an issue with folks enduring hardships.


18 posted on 08/01/2011 10:49:47 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

This is such a load of $&%#!!!

I feel lucky that I never had to deal with the crap that comes along with women serving on combat ships. I got off my ship 2 months before they got their first women officers. Everyone on board was against it and I still have friends in the Navy who tell me it has never been the same. Women do not belong on combat ships and they absolutely positively do not belong on submarines.
The more this kind of stuff happens the more im convinced that this country has seen it’s best days.


19 posted on 08/01/2011 10:51:55 PM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: flaglady47

Me brudder, on an LST and a destroyer tender in the 80s, saw his ship/shore rotation go from 3 years/3 years to 5 years/1 year after his rate was femalified because the Navy’s machine shop women at sea usually got as pregnant as possible as often as possible to get mandated shore berthing for birthing.


20 posted on 08/01/2011 10:53:02 PM PDT by flowerplough (Pelosi on Republicans: "They want to destroy food safety, clean air, clean water, ...")
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To: smokingfrog
I know some women officers who do a good job and deserve everything they achieve. That being said, I am very much against both females and gays in combat units. It doesn't matter what you say, men act differently around women (and I must assume that fags act differently around attractive males). There is no conditioning that can change it.

I worked in an all male unit and one of the most annoying things was when we had an attached unit that allowed females. Without fail (WITHOUT FAIL!) there would be several men just hanging around the area where females were. It is a constant distraction and NOONE dares say ANYTHING because it is a career death sentence.

I know there are many FReepers who served. Anyone have a different experience?

21 posted on 08/01/2011 10:53:54 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: hillarys cankles

I talk to guys that were in THAT navy and I am stunned by the psycho crap that is eating away at the chain of command.

You just cant let people have special privileges.

It ruins mens ressolve when you add that sort of thing to the mix


22 posted on 08/01/2011 10:57:05 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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I did war games with Army who put women in the field.

It was bizarre.
We had a lactating woman that was given special treatment and upwards of 4 men would shuttle her breast milk back behind lines for the baby.

4 men gone, with a vehicle and assets with us sitting there with a prima donna

I call this madness.


23 posted on 08/01/2011 11:03:52 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: smokingfrog

My brother, who served on a fast-attack nuclear submarine for 4 years, says this social engineering will be nothing short of disastrous.


24 posted on 08/01/2011 11:16:29 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: mylife
I call this madness.

You call it correctly, as does anyone with half-an-ounce of sense.

25 posted on 08/02/2011 12:01:07 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: smokingfrog

Women are too much drama for close quarters


26 posted on 08/02/2011 12:02:12 AM PDT by wardaddy (Palin or Bachman..either with Marco....I'm often on a .hence my spelling..sorry)
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To: bkopto

and I imagine in a world war fight for survival all this silly shite will be tossed pronto

it’s an indulgence

but destructive


27 posted on 08/02/2011 12:05:09 AM PDT by wardaddy (Palin or Bachman..either with Marco....I'm often on a .hence my spelling..sorry)
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To: smokingfrog

It will be nuclear but it won’t be an accident.


29 posted on 08/02/2011 1:02:31 AM PDT by infool7 (Let us water the tree...)
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To: mylife

wait ‘till (any day now) openly gay males are serving on the subs and sharing those 2 showers


30 posted on 08/02/2011 1:06:27 AM PDT by Enchante (Are there any honest politicians in Washington, DC??)
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To: M-cubed

The Commander slot will be reserved for queers tho.


31 posted on 08/02/2011 1:17:14 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: american_ranger

Why waste the time.


32 posted on 08/02/2011 1:21:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page))
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To: mylife

That was beyond a stupid situation. They couldn’t find something for the lady to do behind the lines?


33 posted on 08/02/2011 1:23:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page))
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To: american_ranger

It would be a fine testament to his years in the Oval Office...


34 posted on 08/02/2011 1:27:05 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: flaglady47
Ah, that's collateral damage caused by friendly fire torpedoing.

Since pregnant females cannot serve aboard ships once their condition is known, I wonder what the Navy's contingency plan is to remove the pregnant females off the deployed subs and transfer them to shore stations?

35 posted on 08/02/2011 1:29:59 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Enchante

If I was on a sub I’d demand to shower with a woman instead of a gay. We all know they BOTH would want me! So I should be able to make my own choice. I mean, choices is what it’s all about. Right?


36 posted on 08/02/2011 2:13:36 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: smokingfrog

This is wrong. Women do not belong on a sub with men. If they want an all female crew on a sub, okay fine, I guess. But mixed crew? No way. It’s wrong.


37 posted on 08/02/2011 3:14:16 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: flaglady47
Expect lots of unplanned pregnancies sooner than later.

Is there enough room to find a private spot to "hook up" on a sub?

38 posted on 08/02/2011 3:17:54 AM PDT by hattend (As always... FUJM.)
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To: smokingfrog

This is a big mistake. STS/2 SS


39 posted on 08/02/2011 3:25:54 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: mylife

That is such horsesh*t!

Sorry, ladies. If you’re pregnant or nursing, you belong behind a desk on terra firma. You do not belong in a combat situation!


40 posted on 08/02/2011 3:25:54 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: smokingfrog

What woman in her right mind wants to be in a tin can under the ocean? Plenty of guys are not temperamentally suited for it either.....


41 posted on 08/02/2011 3:39:20 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: boomop1

Please refrain from posting profanity, thanks.


42 posted on 08/02/2011 5:26:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: bkopto
My brother, who served on a fast-attack nuclear submarine for 4 years, says this social engineering will be nothing short of disastrous.

My neighbor was an XO and CO of a fast attack nuke too, and when he explained how small the living quarters are, I thought "No way is this a good idea".

43 posted on 08/02/2011 7:03:37 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either. Holder hates Texas too.)
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To: Admin Moderator

OK


44 posted on 08/02/2011 9:27:00 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: douginthearmy

>>>>”I know some women officers who do a good job and deserve everything they achieve.”

I’ve been comissioned for 13 years, mostly as a reservist, but with two mobilizations since 9/11. In my experience, I have never met a female officer (or senior noncom) who was competent at command. I have encountered female officers who are competent specialists, like JAGs, Intel, PAOs, Doctors, etc., but not one who was a good leader in the traditional military sense.

It’s the second-guessing, the lack of deciseveness, or women’s emotional stuff that clouds their judgement and, in my experience, makes them poor commanders. And that’s in the people who appear to me to be fundamentally decent human beings.

I’ve personally worked for an XO who had Holly Graf tendencies. A CO I worked for would vacation on the government dime while pretending to visit teams in the field. Both were clueless on mission basics.


45 posted on 08/03/2011 1:40:31 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: hattend

Been a while since you were a young, hormone driven, 20 something.

If the opportunity arose, I would be able to find a nice, obscure spot for a little recreation. And given ten minutes, there are probably dozens that could be found on a sub.


46 posted on 08/03/2011 1:47:11 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I can't think of anything clever, so I'll just say, "Obama sucks.")
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To: smokingfrog

“Every human culture is based on ‘Women and children first’ – and any attempt to do it any other way leads quickly to extinction.”
- R.A.Heinlein


47 posted on 08/03/2011 1:51:39 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: SkyDancer
If the attitude she brings to the boat is even a tithe of the attitude represented in your cartoon, she has no place in any military organization, in any capacity whatsoever. She is psychologically unfit. Furthermore, I would not hire such a person in a civilian workplace, nor would I marry her.

Attitudes, decisions and actions have consequences.

48 posted on 08/03/2011 2:02:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Oh for pete’s sake - it was satire.


49 posted on 08/03/2011 2:16:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: smokingfrog
49 posts and not a single 'Down Periscope' reference?? You all are slipping!

Lt. Cmdr Dodge: Men, at ease. I'd like to introduce you to the newest member of our crew, Lt. Emily Lake. Emily is part of a pilot program to test the feasibility of women serving on submarines. She's going to be our diving officer.
Stepanek: Can she do a one-and-a-half inward back in the layout position?
[laughter]
Lt. Cmdr Dodge: All right, look, gentlemen! I know this is an unusual situation. Can't be easy for Lt. Lake here to be thrown into a jungle such as this, and I know it will make things hard on all of us...
[laughter]
Lt. Cmdr Dodge: Let me re-phrase that. It's going to make things *difficult* on all of us as well. But if we just work together as a team, I'm sure we can handle ourselves...
[laughter]
Lt. Cmdr Dodge: *Comport* ourselves as professionals. That is all.

Lauren Holly -shrunken uniform Down Periscope Pictures, Images and Photos

50 posted on 08/03/2011 2:35:09 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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