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Japanese lawmakers come-then go. (Korea expels Japan lawmakers)
JoonAng Daily ^ | August 2, 2011 | Moon Gwang-lip

Posted on 08/01/2011 11:54:55 PM PDT by GeronL

Three right-wing Japanese lawmakers who arrived in Korea yesterday in an apparent move to bolster Japan’s territorial claim over the Dokdo islets were denied entry and returned home after waiting for hours at a Seoul airport.

The Korean government refused their entry over their plan to visit Ulleung Island to counter Seoul’s tightened grip of nearby Dokdo.

The territorial dispute between the two neighbors could take a turn for the worse today with Japan scheduled vote on its annual defense white paper, which contains fresh claims over the rocky outcroppings.

Yoshitaka Shindo, Tomomi Inada and Masahisa Sato, all from the the conservative opposition Liberal Democratic Party, were denied entry after landing at Gimpo International Airport at 11:10 a.m. on an All Nippon Airways flight.

The Ministry of Justice said it gave an ultimatum to the lawmakers at 6:50 p.m. to board an 8:10 p.m. flight back to Japan or be transferred to an airport facility that processes illegal immigrants. At that point, the lawmakers decided to leave, the ministry said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
Japanese lawmakers still trying to make an imperial claim on some Korean islands. The Japanese government is issuing a defense "white paper" that makes the same claimn.
1 posted on 08/01/2011 11:54:58 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Pan_Yan; TigerLikesRooster; sushiman


Looks like Japan needs to settle down.

2 posted on 08/01/2011 11:55:51 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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Something else I saw seemed strange.

Seoul is going to have a referendum on providing free lunches to school kids. Apparently the only choices voters have is whether to give it to everyone immediately or just the poor, at first.

Shouldn’t there be a NO option? or at least Just the Poor period?

3 posted on 08/01/2011 11:59:26 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

NK Spy Probe reaches National Assembly

Five people including an IT company president and an aide to the former National Assembly speaker have been arrested on charges of creating an underground political party at Pyongyang’s directive as part of a massive espionage probe involving dozens of politicians, scholars and labor activists, the prosecution said Friday.

According to the Seoul Central District Prosecutors’ Office, a 48-year-old IT businessman, only identified as Kim, was arrested on charges of organizing an antistate group and carrying out espionage operations.

Among the four others arrested include a former aide to former National Assembly Speaker Lim Chae-jung of the Democratic Party. The prosecutors said Lim is not involved.

4 posted on 08/02/2011 12:02:02 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL
They were blocked at the airport for 9 hrs and returned home after having bibimbop and buying dried seaweed(laver?)

They have one screwed-up sense of priority. It seems that , in the midst of earthquake, tsunami, and Fukushima crisis, they want to propel it as the most important issue. Talk about timing. Rising Chicom must be a less important problem for them.

5 posted on 08/02/2011 12:05:30 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I know. They are ignoring the giant elephant in the room while trying to step on a bug.

By the way Dokdo Island has been Korean since about 512 AD and was “independent” before that

6 posted on 08/02/2011 12:10:47 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Stupid publicity stunt that is not going to gain them any favors among most of the Japanese electorate. The country has far more important things to worry about right now.

7 posted on 08/02/2011 12:13:07 AM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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According to Korea anyways. lol

8 posted on 08/02/2011 12:17:15 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

I have a fond memory of my naivete 35 years ago. I was about to sail to the Orient on my first WestPac cruise with the Navy, and went to a used book store in San Diego to stock up on reading material, especially books about things Oriental. Besides Snow Country, The Sound of the Mountain, and a few others by Yasunari Kawabata, I was attracted to some books on Buddhism, about which I knew little. I had this image of Buddhism as a belief system populated by very kind people throughout Asia practicing equanimity and universal compassion.

Hah! The people of all these countries, steeped in Buddhism for two millennia, simply hated each other! The frequent recent rejection of Buddhism in a number of countries, in favor of a more secular attitude, had no demonstrable effect on the phenomenon either. Everywhere I went, those people hated the people of the countries across their borders speaking a different language. The Japanese hated everybody, and everybody hated the Japanese. Everybody admired the Chinese, or at least some fantasy of the old Chinese culture, but nobody liked them. The Chinese, in turn, looked down on everybody, and hated the Japanese more than everybody else. Everybody looked down on the Filipinos, who hated the Japanese but no one else (they were never influenced by Buddhism).

The Buddhists in Cambodia, if I recall the details correctly, would only go to a temple run by a Cambodian or Vietnamese monk. The Vietnamese would only go to a Vietnamese monk’s temple. Thais would have nothing to do with Cambodian or Vietnamese monks, but would tolerate a Burmese monk, and vice versa. (I saw this STILL played out years later when I began going to a Buddhist temple in Nashville, in an abandoned church purchased by some world federation of Buddhists or some such: It was set up to serve the Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees, but the federation had made the mistake of putting U Vimila, a Burmese monk, in the outpost. None of the refugees would go to his “Burmese” temple, so he had nothing to do until a few of us Westerners came along asking him to teach us meditation. LOL!).

So now the big boys of East Asia are ratcheting up the pre-hostilities in their time-honored, multi-factional, mutual hatred society. Doesn’t surprise me in the least, but I hope like hell we stay out of it and just let them kill each other off this time.

9 posted on 08/02/2011 12:34:45 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

I saw that too back in the 60s, although I encountered Thais, but not Vietnamese, Cambodians or Burmese. Had a very ugly incident in Japan - pure race or ethnic or historical hatred.

The only mellow people I encountered in Asia back then were the Thais, and obviously things have gotten seedier and nastier in the past 4 decades for them too.

Oh, some ROK officers took care of us when they realized were were returning unaccompanied; carried out bags and cleared the way for us. Whether that was because of the war or because we were dependents and they were military I don’t know. Wherever they are I wish them well. Their kind gestures were more important for their courtesy and moral support than for any material effect.

Odd places and circumstances. Your post triggered a host of bizarre recollections.

10 posted on 08/02/2011 1:15:12 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: GeronL
By the way Dokdo Island has been Korean since about 512 AD and was "independent" before that

May you stop spreading lies and propaganda on Liancourt Rocks? Free Republic is a conservative community, but does not tolerate racism and Nazism. While GHQ/SCAP has suspended several territories of Japan under SCAPIN 677 and SCAPIN 1033, the suspended islands that were under US control including Liancourt Rocks has been returned to Japan under diplomatic efforts of Treaty of Peace with Japan, Rusk Documents, and Report of Van Fleet mission to the Far East. The US Department of State in 1952 told ambassador of Korea that SCAPIN 677 and SCAPIN 1033 did not suspend sovereignty of Japan permanently.

In history, Japan has first claimed the island in 1656 with the first Japanese landing on the island. No Koreans have landed before. All historical maps in Korea are not accurate, is different in terrain characteristics of the island and is assumed to be mistaken as Ulleungdo. I would also like to mention that Korean ethnics in Japan supported the Japan Democratic Party, often critic of US military presence in Japan, promoting anti-Americanism and pro-Asia pro-China agendas, and attempting to kick out US military presence from Japan. The Liberal Democratic Party often criticized as right wing similar to Free Republic and Republic Party criticized as right wing in our country has often promoted pro-US agendas, and the most pro-America party compared to any other parties in Japan.

The Korean ethnics in Japan have done great damage to US-Japan relationship needed for a counter weight and as a proxy state against China, threaten US interests in the Pacific region, threaten US military presence in Japan, and responsible to weaken pro-America Liberal Democratic Party, promoting multiculturalism and promoting anti-America pro-communist pro-China Japan Democratic Party. Thankyou, Korean ethnics in Japan; your propaganda tactics promoting Japan Democratic Party has made USAFJ's job harder with full of anti-American leftist idiots in power trying to kick out USAFJ. All anti-American Japanese are leftists and from the Japan Democratic Party and other leftist party, not the conservative Liberal Democratic Party. The Japan Democratic Party is also in flames regarding scandals which parliament members including the Prime Minister receiving funds from South Koreans ethnics living in Japan. Now you know Korean ethnics are supporting anti-America leftist Japan Democratic Party. South Koreans, and especially VANK, this is a strong warning. Americans are watching you, your ethnics in Japan, and your activities supporting anti-America racist entities. Stop all support to anti-America Japan Democratic Party.

Thank you for attending my lecture based on my knowledge Asian history course at an American college.
11 posted on 08/02/2011 2:06:28 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: GeronL
Now that was kind of stupid of them to do that.

Somebody needs to advise them there are better ways to settle this Japan/Korea issue. I can even think of some ways to bring the two sides together over it...its rather out of the box; but it is far superior than just flying over to the other side and showing up at their airport, hoping for a ringside seat at one of most sensitive bilateral locations for those two countries. (not taking sides here).

12 posted on 08/02/2011 2:24:13 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Washington, D.C. is a swamp in bad need of a full draining)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

How in the hell was that NOT on your jacket?

What the hell was going on when they were doing the evals?

How in the F could they be THAT wrong to NOT consider YOUR lame-ass?

13 posted on 08/02/2011 3:00:27 AM PDT by raygun ( DOT html)
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To: Wiz

My next post was “at least according to the Koreans”

The date came from one of the two editorials on the topic at the JoonAng Daily website.

14 posted on 08/02/2011 3:06:14 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL
Another one from S. Korean side:

Mainstream Japanese scholars doubt Tokyo's claim to Dokdo

TOKYO, Aug. 2 (Yonhap) — Despite the ongoing diplomatic tension over Japan's territorial claim to South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo, most mainstream Japanese scholars remain skeptical or cautious about the claim.

In its latest provocation, Japan's government on Tuesday referred to Dokdo as Japanese territory again in its 2011 defense white paper issued one day after a trio of Japanese lawmakers were denied entry at a Seoul airport due to their attempt to lay claim to the set of rocky outcroppings in the East Sea.

Hori Kazuo, an economics professor at Kyoto University, is among the Japanese scholars who do not agree with the Tokyo government.

In 1987, he found and unveiled to the public an ancient Japanese government document from 1877 clearly showing that Japan did not consider Dokdo as part of its territory back then.

The document then contained a directive from the Japanese Cabinet to Shimane Prefecture, the closest Japanese region to Dokdo, that it should keep in mind that the Korean islands of Ulleung and Dokdo have nothing to do with Japan.

Park Byeong-seop, a Korean-Japanese watcher of Dokdo, noted in his 2008 book titled “Dokdo-Takeshima Dispute” that even when Shimane Prefecture angered South Koreans in 2005 by establishing “Takeshima Day” to reassert Japan's claim to Dokdo, it did not post the claim on its official Web site. Takeshima is the Japanese name for Dokdo.

At the center of recent Japanese academic debates on Dokdo is the Japanese government's claim that in 1905 Japan occupied the uninhabited islets at the request of a fisherman in Shimane.

Ikeuchi Satoshi, professor of Nagoya University who has studied the Dokdo issue from a neutral point of view, said in a recent study published in a Japanese history magazine that the fisherman tried to contact Korea first to ask for exclusive rights to catch sea lions in the seas off Dokdo, an indication that the Japanese knew Dokdo belonged to Korea. The fisherman, however, did not actually carry out the plan.

The fisherman filed a civil complaint with the Japanese government asking that the islets be made part of the country's territory. The government initially rejected the request, the historian said.

In 1905, however, Japan unilaterally declared the Korean islets as part of its territory, putting Dokdo under the jurisdiction of Shimane.

He also said that Korean officials dismissed the territorial claims as “groundless” when Shimane residents visited Ulleung Island, the administrative base of Dokdo, in 1906 and informed them that Dokdo was now part of their region.

The diplomatic tension between Seoul and Tokyo resurfaced last month after the Japanese government took a punitive measure against Korean Air for flying a test flight over Dokdo. Tokyo ordered its diplomats to boycott Korean Air flights for one month from July 18 in protest over the test flight of the Airbus A380 in June.

Earlier this week, an ultra right-wing Japanese professor and three conservative opposition lawmakers were denied entry to South Korea before embarking on trips aimed at reasserting the claim to Dokdo through a visit to Ulleung Island. Ulleung is the closest South Korean territory to Dokdo.

South Korea rejects Japan's sovereignty claim over Dokdo as nonsense because the country regained independence from Japan's 36-year colonial rule in 1945 and reclaimed sovereignty over its territory, including Dokdo and many other islands around the Korean Peninsula.

15 posted on 08/02/2011 4:59:40 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: GeronL
There was NO option which was watered down to the poor first. There is a ridiculous demagoguery going on in SK, in a run up to next election. The left came out with “Free Everything for Everybody” platform. Free school lunches, free education, free medical care, free daycare. Everybody is eligible whether they are poor or not. The left even insists on giving freebies to the very wealthy. They are not after affordable welfare, but naked power grab.
16 posted on 08/02/2011 5:05:54 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: raygun

Cool. Uh, what’s the frequency, Kenneth??

17 posted on 08/02/2011 9:12:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Washington, D.C. is a swamp in bad need of a full draining)
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