Skip to comments.Congress to decide whether Super Congress could impose gun control
Posted on 08/02/2011 10:10:37 AM PDT by ronnyquest
Gun owner registration bans on semi-automatic firearms adoption of a UN gun control treaty -- all of these issues could very well be decided over the next 24 hours.
Both houses of Congress will be voting on a debt ceiling bill that establishes a legislative committee with TREMENDOUS powers. Fox News is calling this committee a SUPER CONGRESS, because its legislative proposals (which could include gun control provisions) CANNOT be filibustered or amended in the Senate or House.
To understand what a huge deal this is, consider that House Speaker John Boehner is able to keep a mountain of gun control bills from coming to the floor of the House. Thats the power of the Speaker.
And in the Senate, we have been able to kill much of the gun control agenda by filibustering legislation (that is, requiring the Majority Leader to get a supermajority or 60 votes in order to pass gun control).
The most recent example of this occurred earlier this year when we defeated a radical, anti-gun judicial nomination (Goodwin Liu) using the filibuster. The filibuster has been our saving grace in the Senate, but that could be tossed within the next 24 hours.
Regarding the debt ceiling compromise, heres what one legislative analyst (inside a Republican office on Capitol Hill) had to say:
Right now, we have limited protection from the schemes of the left even if they have some Republican support, we have a speaker who wouldnt bring horrible bills to the floor, and we have the Senate filibuster.
Both of these are rendered moot by the Super committee. There is NO Senate filibuster on the product they report. The Speaker CANNOT stop a vote in the House .
[Hence], 22 liberal Republicans can join the Congressional Democrats and the President in: Closing the gun show loophole, banning semi-automatic weapons, creating a national handgun registration, or ordering state gun laws moot.
A super highway for gun control legislation? This is incredibly unconstitutional! We dont elect a Congress, which can then turn around and elect a SUPER committee. We need to make sure this never lands on the Presidents desk.
ACTION: Please email and call your Representative and Senators. Urge them to vote NO on establishing this SUPER CONGRESS with unconstitutional powers.
You want them,come and get them.
When I know I have taken out at least 10 of these a$$holes to me I will rest easy in my grave .
Drawn too many lines in the sand already.
Let’s get ready to rumble!
Didn’t know the super congress had this power.
Though I am not surprised. The plans were for a North American Union a decade agao, and this will speed things along.
This BS of acting as if this stupid committee has some degree of power more than the whole body is just that: BS. As for calling them the "Super Congress" I strongly object to that.
This whole debt-ceiling debate was a smoke-screen. The goal the whole time was ramming through this dictatorial SuperCONgress.
The military have more weapons than Kongress. Right now they are not on Kongress’ side after that deal to gut the military finances. So Kongress..try and get em’ We’ll call in the Marines.
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson
I don’t have any guns! Boating accident!
I just re-read my copy of the United States Constitution.
I see nothing in there about anything like a, “Super Congress.”
I DO, however, see something about a, “Second Amendment....”
” adoption of a UN gun control treaty “
Go right ahead, start the next phase of this damn Civil War.
I seriously don’t believe that our country is going to survive until 2012.
1. No the debt committee, or "super congress" if you prefer, can't unilaterally approve treaties, they still require a 2/3 majority per the constitution.
2. No the debt committee can't impose gun control, and, (there is some debate on this point), probably can't even introduce anything that is not budget related (Cantor says they can't even propose tax increase only spending cuts).
3.Even under a worst case scenario, that the committee did insert gun control into some debt bill, it would still require a majority vote in the house and senate.
4. No the Republican majority in the house are not going to throw away their political careers by voting for gun control.
5. No the Republicans won't be "held hostage" by the threat of debt triggers and forced to support gun control. The triggers don't go into effect until 2013 even if activated, giving republicans plenty of time to reverse the defense spending cuts in other must pass legislation. Cantor has already said the Republicans in the house would allow the triggers before voting for a tax increase if the debt committee included one. The triggers are essentially toothless political theater.
6. And finally, No the "super congress" is not an all powerful entity that is going to dominate congress from now on, for one thing it's mandate expires at the end of every congress and has to be renewed by the next on, because no future congress can be bound by the actions of a current one. For another, it only has a much power as the House and Senate decide it has, in fact, constitutionally the House and Senate leaders could simply ignore it with impunity, because the only recourse would be to get the courts involved and they aren't going to touch an internal congressional dispute with a ten foot pole.
So THIS was the sub-rosa activity covered by flappage over the debt ceiling. In addition to being able to raise taxes (from each according to his “gifts” to each according to his “needs”), a bump up in federal power, cutting out those pesky dissenting, constitutionally aligned congresscritters.
Should be sporty!
>> I think this story was pretty thoroughly debunked yesterday <<
Oh, c’mon. Don’t be a spoil sport. Conspiracy theories are a lot of FUN!
Our own Politburo/Central Committee...
Political leaders be advised, the people are passed the pissed off stage.
You do understand that there are plenty enough stooges in LE and our military willing to do the job. No need at all for someone from a far off land to steal your guns away.
I understand that perfectly. Have for decades. But thanks anyway.
“You won’t need the 2nd amendment until they try to take it away from you.” Jefferson
Then whats up w/ the blue helmet thing?
Just a response to the “UN gun control treaty” quote from article. If the U.S. gov’t lies down with the blue-helmeted transnationalist gun-grabbing pigs, well then.....
Agreed the “Super Congress” is a label ascribing powers to these extra-empowered people THAT ARE NOT THERE.
It would be nice if this labeling caused a constitutional crisis. As it is the “commission” enabling “law” is itself unconstitutional because of the verbage of the bill.
Hennesy has the details,and Freepers need to READ THE BILL that has been handed to the country.
Instead of playing into the hands of the “super congress” conservatives should point out that “the spending continues” and that dems and obama KNEW the Bush tax cuts will expire and STILL they demanded more taxes and “revenue”.
We HAVE TO STOP THIS-— COLD.
Judge Napolitano stated on FOX the “Super Congress” is totally unconstitutional.
This will not matter to the crooks in Congress.
It is time that my fellow Americans who live in the States stand your ground.
It is at the point where it is now or never.
It boggles my mind how 300,000,000 Americans let a handful of crooks rule their lives.
How can so many be afraid of a handful of crooks?
435 house of reps
1 cheeky Kenyan bastard
9 Supreme Court justices
Total: 545 crooks
Each crook is outnumbered by 550,358.7 to 1.
So where is the fear?
GOA needs a new carpet in their clubhouse.
The bottom lines is still as I have stated it. This committee really has no power above and beyond that of the legislature as a whole. The house and the Senate both have to pass the bills that come from their recommendations. The house still belongs to us and we simply need to pressure them to stay strong and to strip the onerous parts out of them before they vote.
“The bottom lines is still as I have stated it. This committee really has no power above and beyond that of the legislature as a whole.”
If I understood Judge Napolitano correctly, there are not enough folks with spines (my words) to stop this crooked unconstitutional mess from happening.
He stated this as a fact and that it will happen.
“It is comprised on the Dim side of ruthless statists and on the RINO side by spineless sycophants of the media.”
Have the members of this committee been announced? Please advise who the members will be. Thanks.
You are so right.
I Do Not Choose to Be a Common Man
It is my right to be uncommonif I can.
I seek opportunitynot security.
I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me.
I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed.
I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia.
I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout.
I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat.
It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, This I have done.
By Dean Alfange
Sounds a lot like: Central Committee, as in:
Central Committee of the Communist Party of Russian Federation
Central Committee of the Communist Party of China
Central Committee of the Communist Party of Cuba
Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam
Central Committee of the Hungarian Workers' Party
Central Committee of the Party of Labor of Albania
Central Committee of the Polish United Workers' Party
Central Committee of the South African Communist Party
Central Committee of the Korean Worker's Party
They have not announced all the members, but they have made some early positions clear. 1) Nancy Pelosi will be on the committee, and 2) No one who voted *against* the bill will be allowed on the committee. Therefore, everyone on the Republican side who might not be a RINO is to be excluded.
It's my understanding that the four leaders Pelosi, Reid, Boehner, and McConnell will each get a seat on the committee and then each leader will choose 2 members from their party to fill the remainder of the seats. It will take a majority 7 out of 12 votes with at least one vote from each party (I assume since you would have to have one vote from the opposing party to reach 7 anyway since their are 6 members from each party, the section of the bill is rather obvious) Any spending cut recommendations passed would be guaranteed an up or down vote in the house and senate. There is some controversy on whether the committee can forward tax increases or only spending cuts, Boehner and Cantor says it can only forward spending cut's, the democrats disagree.
I can’t go fishing anymore for fear of snagging guns lost in boating accidents. /S
That factor is one of my big concerns “should the political winds” shift and fan blades start chopping solids.
Waco and Ruby Ridge made that perfectly clear with frequent swat team reminders.
‘He stated this as a fact and that it will happen.’
How on earth would the Judge know? He is not somebody with a particular knowledge of Congress, his expertise is in other areas.
>> This committee really has no power above and beyond that of the legislature as a whole <<
Hey, Calex, would you please stop trying to spoil our elegant conspiracy theory? The commenters on this thread were really having more fun than a barrel of monkeys until spoil-sports like you started pouring cold water all over us!
Uh! That photo haunts me still. I hope the guy behind the gun has done the honorable thing and committed suicide by now. Disgraceful that a picture such of that could be shot in America.
Lets get ready to rumble!
I feel the same way, BUT...
...The moment someone actually takes action to defend their 2nd Amendment Rights or their home, the entire conservative world ESPECIALLY most of those here at FR) will distance themselves from them. They will be condemned as a "nutcase", and a whole lot of other nasty names. Nobody will want to be associated with them.
Then the bootlickers will chime in, applauding the way our guy was gunned down in his own home, with the selector lever on his weapon still on "safe".
My point is that one or two guys ain't going to get it done.
What each of us needs to do is every morning, slap a full magazine in the evil black rifle and walk out on the front porch. If you neighbor to your right, and your neighbor to your left aren't standing there also... today ain't the day.
But hopefully, one day, it WILL be the day.
The Republic, Is really dead....
This "Budget Deal" was our Final step
in the Federal Republic's downfall.
rem: Hilter's "rise to Power."
I happen to know that we’ll survive until the end of next year.
That’s when I’ll have everything implemented in order to “drop out”.
they just crossed it.
Jean N., Just announced [1 p.m._Fox] NEW Federal efforts
to "Help" local methods, to "control" ANY kind of extremists.
(rem: her/ 'Rats' previous comments about TEA Party)