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A Fast And Furious Assault On Private Gun Sales
Forbes ^ | Aug. 2 2011 | LARRY BELL

Posted on 08/02/2011 2:32:54 PM PDT by neverdem

The Obama administration lost no time determining where to place primary blame for border violence. During a joint April 16, 2009, White House press conference with President Felipe Calderon of Mexico, President Obama stated that more than 90% of all guns recovered by Mexican authorities came from the United States. He had previously made the same claim in February of that year, further asserting that many of those firearms came from...

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Representative Issa is certain that most top Justice Department officials knew about the Fast and Furious operation. He has also stated, regarding Holder, that either “He knew, and he’s lied to Congress, or he didn’t know, and he’s so detached that he wasn’t doing his job.”

A July 27 Investor’s Business Daily editorial asserts that while Attorney General Holder and President Obama have disavowed any knowledge of the ATF actions, Holder told the House Judiciary Committee in May that he had first been informed about the operation “in the last few weeks”. Yet the publication has documented that Holder himself had boasted about the program to Mexican officials in Cuernavaca, Mexico on April 2, 2009, telling a very different story. He told the audience: “Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner.”

President Obama told reporters at a July 29 press conference: “As you know, my attorney general has made clear he certainly would not have ordered gun-running to pass through Mexico.” However, a video shows former Deputy Attorney General David Ogden telling reporters at a DOJ briefing of steps to expand Gunrunner “as part of the administration’s comprehensive plan” and as the “President has directed us.”...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 90percentlie; atf; banglist; bhofascism; castaway; cia; dea; democrats; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; holdertruthfile; ice; obama; obamatruthfile

1 posted on 08/02/2011 2:32:58 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Makes Watergate look like a church bake sale. Which is ironic because the Lib press cut their teeth on Watergate and they are pretty silent on this one.


2 posted on 08/02/2011 2:43:19 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: neverdem

The village idiots, AKA Obama,Biden,Holder,and Napolitano, never think about wars and covert and overt OPS in Honduras, El Salvador, down to Panama that purposely put weapons in those folks hands. Then the drug cartels bought them. Also, after RVN several gun dealers told me they along with foreigners from many nations were offered huge wharehouses of US weapons after the South Viets surrendered.


3 posted on 08/02/2011 2:49:10 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: neverdem

90% of the guns collected were those that he and his administration sent over there. That’s a little game that was being played trying to convince people it was true across the board.


4 posted on 08/02/2011 2:49:10 PM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2

Sure, they wanted to upgrade their weapons.Obama damn sure approved this with Holder’s legal advice.


5 posted on 08/02/2011 2:55:04 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Inyo-Mono
Makes Watergate look like a church bake sale.

The lib press hated Nixon, and they love obama, they will do everything in their power to sweep this under the rug.

6 posted on 08/02/2011 2:56:00 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: neverdem

In a perfect world, both obammy and Holder would be impeached immediately. They both had to have given their permission for this idiotic thing. I think they will use this as a back door way for them to try to confiscate more of our guns.


7 posted on 08/02/2011 2:57:25 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: basil

Where’s Anders Breivik when you REALLY need him?


8 posted on 08/02/2011 3:06:12 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Lumper20

Nope...they wanted to prove that 90% of the weapons they captured came from the US. Only way they could do that was send them across the border so they could be captured.


9 posted on 08/02/2011 3:08:53 PM PDT by RC2
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To: basil
In a perfect world, both obammy and Holder would be impeached immediately.

I doubt that we have the votes to convict and remove. It's better to do it with the campaign in the backround next year, IMHO. 17 rat senators want to keep their job.

10 posted on 08/02/2011 3:14:00 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: basil

“I think they will use this as a back door way for them to try to confiscate more of our guns.”

Good luck trying to confiscate the “guns” of the 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions. Better to stick a rattler in your underpants and try to pull out the right “snake” when you gotta go.


11 posted on 08/02/2011 3:39:15 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: neverdem

F&F/Castaway so far has killed 250 Mexican cops and 2 badged federal US officers.

The goal was to kill.

What direction is the US headed in, when the TOP guy at Justice & probably the POTUS has a secret operation to KILL many Mexican people, including cops....?

Consider that one, as the economy tanks.


12 posted on 08/02/2011 3:39:23 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Yup, the was a wide-spanning, large-scale operation. It’s clear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Or7zO0HVOw


13 posted on 08/02/2011 3:41:26 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin
Assistant Attorney General (Criminal Division) Lanny Breuer got a Power Point presentation on Fast and Furious.

July 28, 2011 Senior ATF, Justice officials ignored Mexico-based agents’ complaints, bragged about Fast and Furious successes

Gil and now-acting ATF attaché to Mexico Carlos Canino also told congressional investigators high-ranking ATF and Justice Department officials bragged about what they considered successes of Operation Fast and Furious. Officials they said included Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who oversees the DOJ’s criminal division, and acting ATF director Ken Melson.

“Lanny Breuer says, yeah, there is a good case, there is a good case out of Phoenix,” Canino said of a meeting he and Gil had with Breuer and the U.S. ambassador to Mexico, Carlos Pascual.

Gil said Breuer was going to present the outcome of Operation Fast and Furious to Mexican authorities as evidence of a positive effort to stop weapons trafficking. Gil said Breuer said the ATF investigation “looks like it’s going to generate some good results and it will be a good positive case that we can present to the Government of Mexico as efforts that the US government is taking to try and interdict weapons going into Mexico.”

The National Scope of the Gunwalker Scandal. Lanny Breuer & four border state ATF SACs implicated in report. "Lions! And tigers! And bears! Oh, my!"

Two months after the January 5, 2010 briefing, ATF headquarters hosted a larger, more detailed briefing. Not part of the normal Tuesday field ops briefings, this special briefing was dedicated to Operation Fast and Furious. David Voth, the Phoenix Group VII Supervisor who oversaw Fast and Furious, traveled from Phoenix to give the presentation. On videoconference were the four southwest border ATF SACs: Bill Newell in Phoenix, Robert Champion in Dallas, J. Dewey Webb in Houston, and John Torres in Los Angeles. (Emphasis supplied, MBV)

In addition to the usual attendees of the Tuesday morning field ops briefings (the Deputy Assistant Directors for Field Operations, including Bill McMahon, and Mark Chait, Assistant Director for Field Operations), Deputy Director William Hoover also attended. Joe Cooley, a trial attorney from the gang unit at Main Justice, also joined. After a suggestion from Acting ATF Director Ken Melson in December 2009, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer personally assigned Cooley as a DOJ representative for Operation Fast and Furious. Kevin Carwile, chief of the Capital Case Unit at Main Justice, may have also been present. According to Steve Martin, the inclusion of Main Justice representatives was unusual.

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Gunwalker and Fast & Furious Updates: Holder, DOJ, FBI, Operation Castaway, ATF

Email Confirms ‘Gunwalker’ Known Throughout Justice Department The October 27, 2009 email from ATF Phoenix Field Division Special Agent in Charge (SAC) William Newell regarded a Southwest Border Strategy Group meeting that focused on Fast and Furious. It contained a laundry list of high ranking Justice Department officials that attended the meeting, including:

* Assistant Attorney General (Criminal Division) Lanny Breuer, * Kenneth Melson, Acting Director, ATF * William Hoover, Acting Deputy Director, ATF * Michele Leonhart, Administrator, DEA * Robert Mueller, Director FBI

Four other Justice Department directors or their representatives came from the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF), Bureau of Prisons (BOP), U.S. Marshals Service (USMS), and the Executive Office for United States Attorneys (EOUSA). The chair of the Attorney Generals Advisory Committee (AGAC) also attended the session. Their names were redacted in the released document. U.S. attorneys for all four southwest border states also attended...


14 posted on 08/02/2011 3:47:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (No dark sarcasm in the press room ... Hey!, Barry!, leave them bills alone.)
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To: sergeantdave

What if president Barack Hussein Obama, POTUS and the CIC of the armed forces, orders the Marines to turn in their weapons?

Wouldn’t it be mutiny if they did not?

Just asking.


15 posted on 08/02/2011 3:57:36 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: neverdem

Dont impeach Obama, impeach his underlings. Puts in the press, lets the Dem’s have room to scapegoat someone and still reflects poorly on the administration. By the way, it permantly removes them from serving in any government position.


16 posted on 08/02/2011 4:16:12 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
However, a video shows former Deputy Attorney General David Ogden telling reporters at a DOJ briefing of steps to expand Gunrunner “as part of the administration’s comprehensive plan” and as the “President has directed us.”

"Dont impeach Obama, impeach his underlings."

If Issa & Grassley's hearings turn up evidence or testimony that Obama knew and approved that weapons without tracking devices were walking to drug cartels, impeachment wouldn't be limited the underlings, IMHO.

17 posted on 08/02/2011 4:34:46 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Given that the Senate is controled by the Dems, an Impeachment charge against Obama is a waste of time.


18 posted on 08/02/2011 4:36:39 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: MikeSteelBe

“What if president Barack Hussein Obama, POTUS and the CIC of the armed forces, orders the Marines to turn in their weapons?

Wouldn’t it be mutiny if they did not?”

Great questions.

If it was mutiny, so what? What would the boy king do about it?

As a member of the USMC, I’m on my own pages. I’m faithful to God, country and family, not obuma or the president’s office. Deal with that, obuma.

Let me tell you a brief story.

During the Clinton fiasco, questions were asked about what might happen if the cigar chief ordered the military out to shoot civilians. Well, we took a survey. Among enlisted, those people with a year or two in the military, about 60%, said they’d shoot civilians if ordered to do so.

Now, this is why God created NCOs. About 90% of NCOs would never allow PFCs to shoot civilians. If a private started shooting civilians, he’d be dead in about 3 seconds.

Let’s go up the command structure. That same poll found that 90% of officers identified themselves as Republicans or conservatives.


19 posted on 08/02/2011 4:46:52 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

Semper Fi, brother. The oath I took was to the Constitution, not the President or Congress.


20 posted on 08/02/2011 4:55:01 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: sergeantdave

Good to know.


21 posted on 08/02/2011 4:58:27 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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22 posted on 08/02/2011 5:18:15 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Selling weapons to a felon is a felony. A murder committed during a felony in which you are participating results in you being charged with murder even though you did not pull the trigger. The ATF participated if not encouraged these felonies. Just saying.


23 posted on 08/02/2011 5:39:02 PM PDT by Starstruck
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24 posted on 08/02/2011 5:46:20 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Lurker

Good to see you 0311. (For those who don’t know 0311 is a Marine Corps rifleman)


25 posted on 08/02/2011 5:46:45 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


26 posted on 08/02/2011 6:04:45 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: sergeantdave

“...Good luck trying to confiscate the “guns” of the 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions...”

“Good luck” indeed. It’s always a bad idea to eff around with motivated, determined Patriots.

Give ‘em Hell, Sarge.


27 posted on 08/02/2011 7:42:19 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Lurker; sergeantdave

The same oath we ALL took... and, you’re correct, it makes NO mention of obedience to GOVERNMENT whatsoever.

Semper fi, Devildogs.


28 posted on 08/02/2011 9:44:07 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Makes Watergate look like a church bake sale.

Clarity bump.

That was about little bitty microphones in people's telephone handsets.

This is about holes in federal agents' chests.

29 posted on 08/02/2011 11:23:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: gaijin
What direction is the US headed in, when the TOP guy at Justice & probably the POTUS has a secret operation to KILL many Mexican people, including cops....?

So what was their motive in so doing -- revolucion in Old Mexico? Driving more and more border-jumpers north to be amnestied and turned into mint-fresh Democrats?

I don't get it. Why arm Mexicans to kill one another? Just to point the finger at Texas FFL's?

30 posted on 08/02/2011 11:33:36 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: neverdem

Another under the radar attempted attack on the US Constitution by state sponsored terrorists.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/05/The-OAS-Firearms-Convention-Is-Incompatible-with-American-Liberties


31 posted on 08/03/2011 12:39:31 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: sergeantdave

Your answer supports my belief that members of the US armed forces would not commit war crimes or obey unconstitutional orders, and then try a “Nuremburg defense” as an excuse.

I wish the voting sheeple as as whole understood history and how it applies to current events.


32 posted on 08/03/2011 4:24:11 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

To support the idea that it was US gun sales that were arming the cartels when actual facts wouldn’t. A step to more gun control/citizen disarmament via the back door. Even though they were found out, THEY TRIED IT ANYWAY, by requiring more reporting by border area dealers. Now NRA and NSSF have filed separate lawsuits to stop this bogus and ILLEGAL requirement!


33 posted on 08/03/2011 3:29:29 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: MurrietaMadman

Thanks for the link.


34 posted on 08/03/2011 4:57:48 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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