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Gunshot Demographics The ugly underbelly of the anti-gun-rights position
gunlaws.com ^ | 2011 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 08/03/2011 5:14:58 AM PDT by marktwain

How "The Bad Part of Town" and failed social policies are used for sinister attacks on the right to keep and bear arms, and help justify the law enforcement world and its budgets.

While anti-rights activists speak emotionally about "gun violence""gun deaths" "human tragedy" and saving lives, what they refuse to say is this—

Homicide in America has demographic, geographic, social and economic factors which, if acknowledged and openly discussed, would transform the debate, and place blame where it really belongs: on the causes and people that fuel the violence we hear about (but rarely actually see for ourselves, except on TV "news").

The real blame is hidden, because the truth is so painful. Crime is not spread across the streets of America. Crime, and crime using guns, happens in isolated areas for well known reasons the media and politicians hide from you.

But, it's useful to blame guns instead of criminals, and blame guns instead of politicians and social policies, and blame guns instead of festering pesthole neighborhoods, in the effort to disarm the public and transfer power to the government and away from the people.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Thank you, Baltimore Sun newspaper, for posting the interactive maps that define the problem clearly—at last (blue is choking, green is blunt force, red is shooting, black is stabbing, white is undetermined) :

(Excerpt) Read more at gunlaws.com ...


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1 posted on 08/03/2011 5:15:02 AM PDT by marktwain
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2 posted on 08/03/2011 5:16:33 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The graphics at the site show that almost all homicide and homicide victims are black and minorities in urban criminal ghettos.


3 posted on 08/03/2011 5:18:36 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
white is undetermined

Would it have been better if they was pushed outta winders...Little goil?
-Archie Bunker

4 posted on 08/03/2011 5:20:04 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: marktwain; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Excellent article, and something that many of us here have been saying for quite a while. From the article at the link, here is the money quote:

"It's not 'gun violence,' it's social violence for one tiny class of people."

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

5 posted on 08/03/2011 5:23:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain
At the link the difference in the number of victims based on skin color is amazing!

Well worth checking them out.

6 posted on 08/03/2011 5:24:24 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: marktwain

Bump


7 posted on 08/03/2011 5:31:35 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: marktwain

Looks like ‘black on blue’ violence.


8 posted on 08/03/2011 5:48:45 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: marktwain
These 'crime maps' are available for almost every major 'big city' with an 'urban area'. And the surprising this is (/s) -- they all look the same.

But I don't need a Map. I listen to the Chi PD radio calls through an online scanner, like right now (really cool website). So my map is in my head.

I listen to keep track of how my old hood has went to hell, and to check on anything going on near my MIL's house. She's still in the old hood and refuses to move. And Lord knows we've tried to talk her into it a gazillion times over the years.

9 posted on 08/03/2011 5:50:09 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: maica; Freee-dame

Baltimore ping.


10 posted on 08/03/2011 5:53:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

Thank you, very nice find.


11 posted on 08/03/2011 5:58:01 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: marktwain

If it were not for America’s “diversity” we would be living in one of the most non-criminal countries in the world.

While you think about thhat think about who is committing the crimes in the other countries of the world.

Is it the same people? In many cases it is.


12 posted on 08/03/2011 6:00:09 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: marktwain

Heroin addicts comprise about 10% of the population of Baltimore. In the worst neighborhoods, the proportion would be much higher, and then you have to consider those addicted to crack, meth, and other substances. The kind of drug-related violence seen in Mexico already exists in our inner cities.


13 posted on 08/03/2011 6:00:25 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: marktwain

Blacks and Latinos make up both the largest victim class and the largest perp classes. For statistical purposes, Hispanics are counted as white. This is decieving.


14 posted on 08/03/2011 6:06:13 AM PDT by umgud
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To: marktwain
This isn't shocking data to anyone that has looked into the facts. Not only that but the murders, while tragic, are created by the very solutions sold by the Democrats. Why any minority would consider the Democrat party to be their ally when their record shows they are anything but, is beyond me.

Do they know that the republican party was started, to a large extent, to stop slavery? Do they know that Democrats were the majority party of the South during the civil war? That they were behind the Jim Crow laws, behind the KKK, and filibustered the 1964 civil rights act? Do they know Margaret Sanger (a socialist) pushed abortion for the sole of purpose of reducing "socially undesirable people"? Do they know that among black women since 1973 there have been at least 16 million abortions? Do they wonder why the Democrats march in lockstep to "protect abortion rights"?

I'm about as white as possible without being an albino so perhaps I'm missing something obvious to those with more melanin. When a political party has done everything they could possibly do to oppress said people, when they advocate policies that create an atmosphere that destroys the family unit in minority communities resulting deaths that dwarf all but the largest genocies in history, when all their legislation does the opposite of what they claim that it does, perhaps, just perhaps, they AREN'T YOUR ALLY.

15 posted on 08/03/2011 6:08:07 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
genocies=genocides
16 posted on 08/03/2011 6:27:08 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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Click The Pic

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

17 posted on 08/03/2011 6:33:34 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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bfl


18 posted on 08/03/2011 6:39:59 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Durus

This is sickening to write but—. If anyone wonders why the Klu Klux Klan is not to been seen today..Look at the demographics of these maps.
The work of the KLAN is being done as a self-inflicted wound. It really saddens me to say that if I remember correctly, the KLAN inspired lynchings in the state of Mississippi in the ‘30’s were LESS than the black on black murders/violence in the single city of Chicago. A SINGLE city.
What is the record of the “so-called” LEADERS of the black community? Mass murder..genocidal abortion rates..the black family destroyed..a generation (plus) of black youth uneducated...something to be proud of???????


19 posted on 08/03/2011 6:42:26 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: Travis McGee

This morning I was listening to a Baltimore ‘black’ radio station, 1010 WOLB, to a special broadcast of a portion of the convention of the National [Black] Bar Association held in Baltimore recently. It was a forum on how lawyers can help ‘their people.’

Recommendations:
More federal money for schools
Lawyers to stand beside students who are in hearings for expulsions
More attention to the racial ‘disparity’ in suspensions/expulsion/arrests.

One audience participant asked about support for charter and magnet schools. She was told that these cannot be supported because they are an outgrowth of the private school movement that followed Brown v Bd of Ed.

I had to stop listening at this point for health reasons.


20 posted on 08/03/2011 7:12:24 AM PDT by maica ( Multiculturalism is the smiley face of totalitarianism.)
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To: Joe Brower

It’s not social violence it’s urban renewal.


21 posted on 08/03/2011 7:47:31 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marktwain

>>””As a middle-aged white lady, my death rate is probably 1 or 2 per 100,000 — maximum,” Leovy says. “These young men are dying at 140. They’re in a war zone, and the rest of us are living in a different country.”<<

Serious question:
Why is it ALWAYS middle-aged white ladies who seem to think they have the answers for problems within BLACK communities?
Black men in their 20s, in their 30s, in their 40s kill each other. It’s been that way since the birth of Christ and I imagine it will continue until the end of time.


22 posted on 08/03/2011 7:49:21 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: marktwain

when there is news of a fatal shooting in my town I know it happened in one of about 5 neighborhoods before the anchorman even gets to that part


23 posted on 08/03/2011 8:02:44 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: sasquatch

ping


24 posted on 08/03/2011 8:04:38 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Durus

>>When a political party has done everything they could possibly do to oppress said people, when they advocate policies that create an atmosphere that destroys the family unit in minority communities resulting deaths that dwarf all but the largest genocies in history, when all their legislation does the opposite of what they claim that it does, perhaps, just perhaps, they AREN’T YOUR ALLY.<><

Here you’re talking about the US. Go to Johannesburg or any other country in Africa that is primarily Black with Black leadership and the problem still exists in almost the same proportions. There it’s a class warfare, same here. Undereducated idiots kill each other. So what?

We were shocked at the violence the Somalian immigrants. Why? They were fighting the same way they did back home. We brought these tribal animals into our society from Somalia. Us Whites want to pat ourselves on the back for being kind when we do something stupid like that. Now they are converting over to the Moslem faith and will end up killing our women. Hurrah for the idiot White men.


25 posted on 08/03/2011 8:10:14 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: mad_as_he$$

We should stay out of Baltmore.


26 posted on 08/03/2011 8:11:20 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

***Would it have been better if they was pushed outta winders...Little goil?
-Archie Bunker ***

I never watched Archie Bunker but I did make a reason to watch that particular episode. Typical lib BS from the 1970s.

Did you notice the reference to the Supreme Court Miller decision showing that handguns were not protected but military rifles were? what a change since then by the MSM.


27 posted on 08/03/2011 8:12:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: marktwain

He makes his point but his maps a slightly skewed because Baltimore is only 30% white. It would be interesting to see an overlay of the racial makeup of the communities across Baltimore.


28 posted on 08/03/2011 8:18:43 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Condor51

29 posted on 08/03/2011 8:25:42 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: marktwain

I did some analysis a few years ago, and showed that if you only take out the inner city gang crime in the top four or five cities in the country... then apart from that the U.S. has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.


30 posted on 08/03/2011 8:35:47 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: B4Ranch

“...Serious question:
Why is it ALWAYS middle-aged white ladies who seem to think they have the answers for problems within BLACK communities?
....”

Serious answer: Because a previous generation of middle-aged, white communist liberal assh*les TAUGHT them that they should feel guilty for EVERYTHING that happens to minorities, because it’s almost NEVER the fault of the minority in question; it’s ALWAYS the slave-owning white man’s fault.

Pretty much sums it up, B4.


31 posted on 08/03/2011 9:11:05 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

>>It needs to be pointed out, repeatedly, that thousands of blacks in the south were slave owners.

There were even black slave breeders who sold their own children into slavery.

It should also be pointed out that slavery has existed throughout history. Their ancestors all got over it and moved on.

If blacks want reparations they should sue the black tribes that sold their ancestors into slavery in the first place. Then sue the Arabs who controlled the slave trade.

Then they should move on!

38 posted on Saturday, April 02, 2011 7:03:24 PM by ladyjane <<
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2698571/posts?page=38#38


32 posted on 08/03/2011 9:18:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: sasquatch

I don’t plan on going East of the Mississippi for any reason in the near future!


33 posted on 08/03/2011 9:19:35 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: marktwain

Excellent links. Thanks for posting.


34 posted on 08/03/2011 9:36:01 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: B4Ranch

I know, I know...and truth got lost and twisted and mixed up with communist propaganda and pure bullsh*t to form the current “reality” we have now.

Read “Masters of Deceit” by J. Edgar Hoover. He talks about the communist infiltration into the minority communities and their efforts to foment strife and agitate.

They succeeded.


35 posted on 08/03/2011 9:45:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: marktwain

I think that it used to show the race and sex of the perps, which was pretty much the same. The vast majority of blacks are murdered by other blacks.


36 posted on 08/03/2011 10:07:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Nice Graphics.

But the photo on your About Page is much more interesting.
It's really a great photo, but you have to get a better camera than that Canon PowerShot A700 you're shooting.

If you like Canons, B&H Photo has a great deal on a Canon DSLR;

Canon EOS Rebel XS SLR Digital Camera (Black) with 18-55mm IS Lens; $489.95 & Free Shipping and no sales tax.
Then you can get the Canon Mount Sigma 70mm -300 mm Auto focus Tele Zoom with Macro for only : $239.00

I prefer Nikons and all of my family have them (In all types), it's one of my 'rules', but to each their own :-)
And I bought one of those Sigmas for my Nikon D3000 DSLR, the lens is fantastic. I use it more now than my Nikkor 55mm-200mm lens.

In case you don't know, the 18-55mm lens is equal to a 27mm to 82mm lens if on a std 35mm Film Camera. Or to the 'pro' DSLRs with the large sensor the size of 35mm film. But those cameras are $2K plus (and go UP from there). That's nuts when you can get a Quality 20"x30" Enlargement with the 'compact' DSLRs.

And the 70mm-300mm is equal to a 105mm-450mm Tele Zoom.

37 posted on 08/03/2011 10:32:14 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Condor51

I’m actually now shooting with a Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi, but I could still use an upgrade and some better lenses.


38 posted on 08/03/2011 10:44:23 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Venturer
If it were not for America’s “diversity” we would be living in one of the most non-criminal countries in the world. While you think about thhat think about who is committing the crimes in the other countries of the world.

I was at one point in an online debate about violence in America with a European woman who was going on about the US homicide rate being due to the easy availability of guns. She slunked off after I showed data from the California Justice statistics web site (most states, plus the feds, lump Hispanic crime under white crime -- California is one of the few states that break Hispanic crime out). The white, non-Hispanic homicide rate was around the European average, with Hispanic rate several times higher, and black rate twenty times higher.

Homicide rates correlate closely with ethnicity and culture.

39 posted on 08/03/2011 10:51:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: marktwain

That’s not what Michael Moore said!


40 posted on 08/03/2011 11:32:56 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Wow. My apologies. The EXIF data that came up from my Firefox Plugin said that was taken with a Powershot. Now I think I'll un-install it since it gives wrong EXIF info.

But I looked up your Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi at dpreview.com ( a great website) and your Canon seems 'more than adequate' (joking). Except for not having Spot Metering and no programmable Auto ISO, it seems to have the same 'stuff' as my Nikon D3000 (my LCD screen is a bit larger at 3").

But if you don't already have a long zoom I'd check that Sigma Lens out at B&H. The glass is excellent, the pics are A-One and I really love mine.

And I really like that photo on your About Page. When the weather cools a tad where I'm at there's a Forest Preserve near me than I'll being going to, to hopefully get a shot similar. (I love Nature Photography)

And while there to teach the wife how to use her Nikon P100 I bought her for her B-Day. It's easy to use, has a 26x Zoom and other great features, and she doesn't have to worry about changing lenses. And her P100 also takes HQ Videos. Something I DON'T want any of my DSLRs, and why I choose the D3000 over the D3100 and D5000.

Anywho, Good Shooting, and have a great day.

41 posted on 08/03/2011 12:06:29 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: PapaBear3625; B4Ranch

Papa
The Department of Justice is even slicker than that. The last time I looked up their hate crime worksheet, Hispanic is listed in the victim category but not the perpetrator category. Thus, if a Mexican beats up a Cuban, that’s a white on Hispanic hate crime. But if a Cuban beats up a Mexican, that’s a white on Hispanic hate crime. Just shows you that the DOJ was corrupt and agenda driven even before Eric Holder showed up.

B4
The subject of reparations has always intrigued me. Since I have English and Scottish blood in me, and the English had Scottish slaves until at least the mid 1700s, I tried to calculate how much I owe me. Can you help?


42 posted on 08/03/2011 12:11:25 PM PDT by jackliberty
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To: jackliberty
Can you help?

Do you vote Democrat?

43 posted on 08/03/2011 12:25:14 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: NFHale
I don't read books written by queers.

The communist infiltration into the minority communities still exists today and they haven't changed their names either. Democrats, progressives, socialists, communists.


44 posted on 08/03/2011 12:27:18 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: JMJJR

bookmark bump


45 posted on 08/03/2011 12:36:19 PM PDT by JMJJR ( Newspeak is the official language of Oceania)
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To: B4Ranch

In this country it is Democrats, in other countries it socialists, in others it’s marxists, or maoists, or muslims, or communists. Skin color of the offending ideologue doesn’t seem that important.


46 posted on 08/03/2011 12:48:34 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: jackliberty
Your profile page doesn't indicate if you live in the US, I presume you do. If you do then Thank A Teacher for teaching you to read and write. If are reading this of your own free will, Thank A Soldier for protecting your freedom and keeping you safe.
As for reparations;
You should to set up a monthly contribution to the Disabled Veterans National Foundation

If our government should decide that slavery is once again legal and necessary, then all the cash money you have should be used to buy ammunition.

If you should run into a Scotsman, ask him to take a few of our worthless parasites back home. They'll fit in good with the Moslem community back there.

47 posted on 08/03/2011 12:51:16 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: B4Ranch

“Queers”???

Was that ever proved? I think that whole thing was lefty smear job on Hoover. They hated him with a passion because he went after them. Not sure how accurate that is.

As for the infiltration ongoing - it’s no longer even infiltration, as they’re “out of the closet” now, so to speak.

Either way, we’re heading to a showdown.


48 posted on 08/03/2011 1:05:43 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Durus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2757944/posts?page=44#44

I didn’t say anything about his skin color.


49 posted on 08/03/2011 1:10:11 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: B4Ranch
"Here you’re talking about the US. Go to Johannesburg or any other country in Africa that is primarily Black with Black leadership and the problem still exists in almost the same proportions. There it’s a class warfare, same here. Undereducated idiots kill each other. So what?"

My response was directed to this comment of yours.

50 posted on 08/03/2011 1:15:39 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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