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Proposed road rules for farmers anger some
Billings Gazette ^ | July 25, 2011 | Tom Lutey

Posted on 08/03/2011 9:16:10 AM PDT by bkopto

Tractors lumbering down country roads are as common as deer in rural Montana, but the federal government wants to place new driving regulations on farmers and ranchers.

“It’s a huge deal for us,” said John Youngberg of the Montana Farm Bureau. After years of allowing state governments to waive commercial driver’s license requirements for farmers hauling crops or driving farm equipment on public roads, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration is poised to do away with the exceptions.

Regulators are suggesting that all wheat shipments be considered interstate, even when farmers making short hauls to local grain elevators aren’t crossing state lines. The change would make commercial driver’s licenses — and all the log books and medical requirements that go with them — a necessity for farmers. Some might not qualify.

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FMCSA argues that because grain will ultimately be shipped out of state, it should be regulated as an interstate product at every transportation step. Treated as a product destined to cross state lines, grain becomes federally regulated under the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution.

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More of the regulatory hell being pushed on us by the political appointees at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. You will be astonished to see how this SINGLE, small-time federal regulatory outfit is organized.

The Federal government, and the courts who have foisted tortured interpretations of the Commerce Clause upon us, are broken beyond belief. And these idiots who are strangling all of us are funded by OUR tax dollars. We taxpayers are underwriting our own destruction.

1 posted on 08/03/2011 9:16:15 AM PDT by bkopto
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To: bkopto

This agency should be eliminated, right after the BATFE and Dept. of (re)Education.


2 posted on 08/03/2011 9:20:12 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bkopto

3 posted on 08/03/2011 9:23:31 AM PDT by listenhillary (2007 deficit 160 Billion, 2008 - 458 billion, 2009 -1.4 Trillion, 2010 - 1.6 Trillion)
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To: bkopto

So let’s make it harder for the people whom grow your food to do their jobs?


4 posted on 08/03/2011 9:25:08 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: bkopto

“Growing the economy” by making businesses jump through regulatory hoops.


6 posted on 08/03/2011 9:26:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: bkopto
Example number 3,980,723 of what can be cut in government. Just outrageous garbage.
7 posted on 08/03/2011 9:27:21 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: bkopto

So the farmer whose property is cut in half by a public road with fields on one side and grain storage on the other would technically be in violation if the grain trailer is hauled from the field to the silo?

Mental illness permeates government these days.


8 posted on 08/03/2011 9:31:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: bkopto

I drove grain from the field to the elevator in town by truck and tractor when i was 12-13 years old. Do what you have to do to survive..


9 posted on 08/03/2011 9:35:47 AM PDT by IamConservative (Do peeps that drive Smart Cars on freeways have a death wish? If not, they better have spare undies.)
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To: bkopto

To hell with the lawyers. “First, we kill all the bureaucrats...”.


10 posted on 08/03/2011 9:38:45 AM PDT by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: bkopto

It is time to start ignoring the fed’s. T


11 posted on 08/03/2011 9:42:03 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: bkopto

The Feds must think it’s called the Kill Commerce Clause.


12 posted on 08/03/2011 9:49:00 AM PDT by TigersEye (No dark sarcasm in the press room ... Hey!, Barry!, leave them bills alone.)
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To: bkopto

Let them regulate it, then let them enforce it too. When the feds start stopping farmers here in Indiana then the brown stuff is going to hit the fan big time.

Hell, I drive my tractor to work all the time when I need to work on it here, are they going to demand I get this license also, when I don’t farm? Screw them, this is enough to start shooting over.


13 posted on 08/03/2011 9:49:46 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Rebelbase
So the farmer whose property is cut in half by a public road with fields on one side and grain storage on the other would technically be in violation if the grain trailer is hauled from the field to the silo?

We had a state road that went through the farm back home. They wanted us to register, insure, have all rolling equipment inspected and have plates issued for anything on the farm that had wheels.

I might consider it if and only if they require the same for bicycles

14 posted on 08/03/2011 9:52:35 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: bkopto

I grew up on a farm. Many summers were spent on the tractor, taking a couple wagon-loads of grain to the local Elevator; while Dad was on the combine filling another couple wagons for me to pick up and haul, on my return trip.

Now, the laws back then allowed children as young as 14 to drive a tractor on the road to town.

This law will hamstring the farmers - as it will prevent their children from contributing to the success of the farming operation. If the farmer has to HIRE someone to drive his grain to market, instead of relying upon his kids - this will drive even more farmers under.


15 posted on 08/03/2011 9:55:49 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: bkopto

I was driving grain trucks and machinery the week after I got my driver’s license. Most summer farm labor is under 21 and part of that is driving and moving equipment. Most states require age 21 to get a CDL.

This is stupid.


16 posted on 08/03/2011 9:59:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: bkopto
To the farmers who voted for 0bama and other Democrats:

Chickens, coming hom to roost . . . baby.

17 posted on 08/03/2011 9:59:17 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: bkopto
More of the regulatory hell being pushed on us by the political appointees at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.

I'm ambivalet on this. I hate to see more regulation, but I've also seen farmers here in GA drive farm machinery on the roads like they were total morons. Pay absolutely no attention to stop signs, and then go 30 mph below the speed limit down the middle of the road once they get in front of you. Hold up a string of 25 or 30 vehicles while going 10 mph and failing to pull over periodically to let them pass (as is required by state la here in GA).

18 posted on 08/03/2011 10:01:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: bkopto

This is all part of the plan.


19 posted on 08/03/2011 10:09:59 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: bkopto
Treated as a product destined to cross state lines, grain becomes federally regulated under the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Unmitigated BULL$HIT!

20 posted on 08/03/2011 10:10:08 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: bkopto

How can we eat our peas if the farmer can’t get them to market?


21 posted on 08/03/2011 10:12:15 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (I've been dipping into my jar full of Hope & Change just to buy gas!!)
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To: from occupied ga

I’ve also seen farmers here in GA drive farm machinery on the roads like they were total morons. Pay absolutely no attention to stop signs, and then go 30 mph below the speed limit down the middle of the road once they get in front of you. Hold up a string of 25 or 30 vehicles while going 10 mph and failing to pull over periodically to let them pass (as is required by state la here in GA).


Licensing them won’t stop this. Enforcing the law will (instead of having cops sit at profitable speed traps having little to do with public safety).


22 posted on 08/03/2011 10:12:41 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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To: bkopto

That is an awful lot of people for an agency that has only a few basic functions under “interstate commerce”.

Keep your equipment in good repair when crossing a state line.

Don’t drive for too long or in a unsafe manner when crossing state lines.

Don’t overload your vehicle when crossing a state line.

Unless it crosses a state line or directly related to it, it’s not “interstate”. Unfortunately the courts folded on that issue back the second Roosevelt administration.

These days breathing is “interstate commerce” for the Obama administration.


23 posted on 08/03/2011 10:12:43 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: bkopto; Travis McGee

We are being funneled into a hell of tyranny.

90% of what the fedgov does is not only unconstitutional, it’s downright evil and hatefully destructive.

Why in hell is there something called the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration and why the hell can it make up whatever crap it wants to and force everyone to obey it? Who died and made it god????

TMG - this type of creeping oppression - especially against the few producers left in the country - boils my blood. Pitchforks!


24 posted on 08/03/2011 10:14:18 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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25 posted on 08/03/2011 10:14:33 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: from occupied ga

Properly, that is a state issue. All highways are state highways (yes all of them, including interstates and US highways, those just get federal funding under the “post roads” clause). The state sets the rules of the road. If farmers are driving in an unsafe manner the state needs to rewrite the rules for that state.


26 posted on 08/03/2011 10:21:54 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: from occupied ga
Hold up a string of 25 or 30 vehicles while going 10 mph and failing to pull over periodically to let them pass (as is required by state la here in GA).

This is my only complaint. They should pull over and stop acting stupid. They aren't paying road upkeep taxes. I have no problem with slow moving farm equipment as long as they pull over periodically

27 posted on 08/03/2011 10:22:00 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: little jeremiah
Carriers - aren't they usually things like airlines, buses etc ?
28 posted on 08/03/2011 10:24:45 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bkopto; All
Another article on this for reference: AGENDA 21 UPDATE: FAMILY FARMS ARE UNDER ATTACK
29 posted on 08/03/2011 10:30:20 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: bkopto
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Huh?

30 posted on 08/03/2011 10:35:12 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: greeneyes

Words can mean whatever the dictatorship wants them to mean. At any given moment, they can change the meanings arbitrarily as it suits their purposes.


31 posted on 08/03/2011 10:35:46 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: bkopto
The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration says it wants to make sure federal safety regulations are being carried out uniformly across the nation that its empire is assured and it continues in existence and keeps on growing for ever. /FIXED
32 posted on 08/03/2011 10:35:58 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: bkopto

I don’t know who these people are.
Can you just say “Yeah yeah yeah” and go on like you have been?

Or does it take more of a smackdown?

Seems to me if its a rural area, fed presence won’t be much.


33 posted on 08/03/2011 10:40:27 AM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
There are laws on the books in GA governing how farm machinery can be run on highways. For example when a slow moving vehicle accumulates more than 4 vehicles behind, the slow vehicle must pull over at the first safe spot to do so and let them pass. NEVER seen a farmer do this. I think it's a point of pride with them how many people they can inconvenience. "Hey Clem - tied up 42 cars today. How 'bout you?" "Naw, best I did today was 33."

The jackasses driving the farm machinery just don't follow the laws. I don't know if they're ignorant of the laws or just too inconsiderate to care. I hate to see more regulation - just the same as anyone else, but years of following idiots driving farm machinery, almost getting killed by idiots driving farm machinery (running stop signs), and occasionally getting run on to the shoulder by idiots driving farm machinery has reduced my sympathy toward them to about zero, and I suspect that A lot of other people won't be very sympathetic to them for the same reasons.

34 posted on 08/03/2011 10:43:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Cowman
" I might consider it if and only if they require the same for bicycles "

Actually ? since bicyclist ride on public roads, there is no reason why they are not paying taxes like us who drive cars or trucks, and there is no reason since they also drive on public roads that they should not be required to get a driver's license, and get insurance for those who use a bicycles, mopeds, skate boards, or anyone who uses any means of transportation on wheels on the road.
Tax the liberal bicyclist who ride their bikes on the roads and thumb their noses at us who drive cars because they are " SAVING THE PLANET " .

35 posted on 08/03/2011 11:00:27 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: bkopto
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36 posted on 08/03/2011 11:03:16 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: VanDeKoik
That's the plan. Oh, 2012 COME QUICKLY!!!!

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37 posted on 08/03/2011 11:04:45 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: bkopto

We should be really concerned that these Federal bureaucrats seem to have no fear of proposing this now.

Since the Whiskey Rebellion up until the dawn of this century the Feds have proven highly reticent to take on farmers, out of fear of taking a pitchfork up the arse.

The fact that they are no longer worried about that is very troubling indeed.


38 posted on 08/03/2011 11:09:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: bkopto

....”We taxpayers are underwriting our own destruction.”

Very true words. Especially NOW at the time of the current administration of what was OUR government.


39 posted on 08/03/2011 11:17:33 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 4yearlurker

LOL! Post of the day!


40 posted on 08/03/2011 11:27:50 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: bkopto

Well they better be hitting all of the mexician drivers crossing the border down south first.


41 posted on 08/03/2011 11:34:29 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Paladin2

And the EPA... I agree.

We could easily lop off half the federal employees, never notice, and then get down to the real decision making.

These animal control people are going rabid too.

I’m sick of what government employees think they have a right to do.


42 posted on 08/03/2011 11:57:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is the destroyer anti-US anti-West anti-Christian anti-Israel and reminiscent of the anti-Christ?)
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To: Rebelbase

The one thing that permeates government is lack of experience in anything other than academic or government enterprises.
They don’t even know anyone who has had a job outside of academics or government.
I learned to drive on a tractor in a very big hay field...speaking of which, will this apply to garden tractors as well? Will the government decide that only people over 21 can drive mowers? (Of course, illegals would be exempt, because they get special privileges)


43 posted on 08/03/2011 12:02:35 PM PDT by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: bkopto

Something the government is never able to answer...

How did farmers get by without these for hundreds of years?

How did our nation get by without these news laws?

How did consumers get by without them?

Could we all survive just fine without them?

Of course...


44 posted on 08/03/2011 12:09:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is the destroyer anti-US anti-West anti-Christian anti-Israel and reminiscent of the anti-Christ?)
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To: bkopto

This relates to the Federal Food Safety Bill passed last fall. They want control of all our food stocks one way or another.


45 posted on 08/03/2011 12:14:04 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: bkopto

Actually this might get interesting.

How is big brother going to treat the illegals caught driving farm equipment without all the proper federal licenses?

just like they do now.

nothing.


46 posted on 08/03/2011 12:22:17 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: bkopto

I see this as 1 step closer to being forced to join a Union. The will be considered truck driversand not farm workers, subject to interstate laws and their unions. I am almost sure that is the main objective.


47 posted on 08/03/2011 12:56:13 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: bkopto

They are going after any source of revenue they can generate on the American people....if they can’t take it by tazes they will indeed do so by regualtions.

When I moved from Ohio to Pa. I couldn’t believe the costs associated with transfering an auto driver’s license to this state! Amazing! and you pay a $30 fee for re-newal every year....


48 posted on 08/03/2011 1:00:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: from occupied ga

Well then change your route! No different then one we get behind school buses. Know their route and adapt yours if it troubles you so much.


49 posted on 08/03/2011 1:04:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: bkopto

32 Attorneys in all including the Dir. Litigators all— all adding cost to business. It is one thing to regulate interstate trucking. Quite another to try to say that grain taken from a field to a silo by a farmer is “eventually going to be shipped interstate” is somehow interstate when it comes off the farm. Idiocy and not defendable.

They are abusing the Commerce Clause again, as justification.


50 posted on 08/03/2011 2:10:45 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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