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IAF Generals 'Loudly' Demanding Strike on Iran Report
Arutz Sheva ^ | 3/8/11 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 08/03/2011 2:11:59 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

The commanders of the IDF, especially those in the Air Force, are making "increasingly loud" demands to strike Iran's nuclear program, a German news source reported Wednesday.

According to Der Spiegel, the question of how Israel will eventually deal with the threat of a nuclear Iran depends in part on a battle of prestige between the military and the Mossad – the latter being in charge of assassinations, and favoring them as a result. Mossad is behind the killings of three Iranian scientists in the last 18 months, the paper claimed.

A fourth scientist was wounded and subsequently appointed to head Iran's nuclear commission.

According to "sources in Israeli intelligence," the targeted assassinations are part of a campaign to sabotage or slow down Iran's nuclear program. The alleged campaign also involves the Stuxnet computer virus.

"But for hardliners in the Israeli military, the covert action does not go far enough," wrote Spiegel's Ulrike Putz. "The calls for bombing Iran are getting louder and louder, especially among Israeli Air Force officers." She added:

"Until now, Mossad experts have been able to convince decision-makers that the construction of an Iranian bomb can best be delayed through attacks on key figures and nuclear facilities. But it is unclear how long Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu will continue to follow this advice. Politicians in Jerusalem know well that Mossad is also pursuing its own interests when it argues that its agents should play the leading role in the struggle against Iran."

"As long as Mossad is leading the fight against the bomb, it will get the big budgets," the source told the newspaper. And the question of whether Israel will attack Iran's nuclear facilities will partly depend on the internal power struggle between the IDF and Mossad.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iaf; iran; mossad; nucleariran; nukes; stuxnet
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I'm inclined to agree with Mossad.
1 posted on 08/03/2011 2:12:02 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

I’m inclined to nuke Iran.


2 posted on 08/03/2011 2:16:23 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Eleutheria5

If we had a responsible government, we would have our planes standing in reserve to help protect Israel.


3 posted on 08/03/2011 2:17:53 PM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2

I could fly a mothballed F-117. Been in the cockpit once.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.


4 posted on 08/03/2011 2:21:26 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

Its too bad the “west” is relying on Israel to maintain peace, freedom and democracy.

Perhaps the rest of the world does not see the threat. Maybe the muslims have masked it for us.
The “free world” better wake up, cuzzz, whatever happens to Israel happens to the west.


5 posted on 08/03/2011 2:21:49 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: RC2

If we had a responsible government, the Shah would still be in power and the world would be a VASTLY different place.


6 posted on 08/03/2011 2:23:33 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: Eleutheria5

The correct answer is all three.

1. Mossad should continue to assassinate as many Iranian nuclear scientists as possible.

2. The Israeli military should take down the Iranian nuclear weapons program in a more spectacular and large-scale manner than what Mossad can accomplish.

3. The United States military should stand ready to back Israel up (except we have an anti-Semitic bigot in our White House who is cheering for the other side).


7 posted on 08/03/2011 2:25:18 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Eleutheria5

Right now Mossad is probably the better way to go.

A strike on Iran - I don’t think the average American has even contemplated how much worse everyday life is going to be here once that happens.


8 posted on 08/03/2011 2:28:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Jewbacca

I’m inclined to nuke Iran...

It worked in Japan. (a little poetry)


9 posted on 08/03/2011 2:30:18 PM PDT by Hang'emAll (")
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To: himno hero

“The “free world” better wake up, cuzzz, whatever happens to Israel happens to the west.”

But first it happens to Israel, and the usual suspects say,”well, it serves them right for occupying the west bank,” or “Joooz! are always having things like that happen to them. It doesn’t affect us, though.” Socialists believe that the masses are “mystified” by the power elite. They oughta know.


10 posted on 08/03/2011 2:34:26 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5

>>A fourth scientist was wounded and subsequently appointed to head Iran’s nuclear commission.<<

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If it is true that they failed to get him the first time, they’ll get him the next time.


11 posted on 08/03/2011 2:40:29 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Eleutheria5

Get Some!


12 posted on 08/03/2011 2:41:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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13 posted on 08/03/2011 2:41:56 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Let’s take a stand
Bomb Iran
Our country’s got a feelin’
Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

Went to a mosque, gonna throw some rocks
Tell the Ayatollah, “Gonna put you in a box!”
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Our country’s got a feelin’
Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

Ol’ Uncle Sam’s gettin’ pretty hot
Time to turn Iran into a parking lot
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Our country’s got a feelin’
Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

Call the volunteers; call the bombadiers;
Call the financiers; better get their *** in gear
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Our country’s got a feelin’
Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
(Let’s nuke ‘em! Whoo!)

Call on our allies to cut off their supplies
Get our hands untied, and bring em’ back alive
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Our country’s got a feelin’
Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Let’s take a stand
Bomb Iran
Our people you been stealin’
Now it’s time for “keelin”, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran


14 posted on 08/03/2011 2:43:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jewbacca

did you also stay at a Holiday Inn?


15 posted on 08/03/2011 2:52:40 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Eleutheria5
Wow, imagine that. I wish our military would grow a pair and make some demands of its own... namely, that the Left's push toward transforming the country into a socialist dictatorship where the Constitution is utterly meaningless had better stop.
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."
Those words actually mean something.
16 posted on 08/03/2011 2:54:47 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: 353FMG

“If it is true that they failed to get him the first time, they’ll get him the next time.”

It’s like being the Darth Vader’s Admiral.


17 posted on 08/03/2011 2:54:47 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: RitchieAprile

No, but I flew F-16s for a decade and still train US pilots on how to use certain targeting systems (and consequently I am flight-checked for the F-15 and F-18).


18 posted on 08/03/2011 2:56:26 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: 353FMG

If at first you don’t succeed...


19 posted on 08/03/2011 3:12:54 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Jewbacca

in that case, thank you for your service!


20 posted on 08/03/2011 3:18:57 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile

You’re welcome, but I was in the IAF!


21 posted on 08/03/2011 3:23:32 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: LibWhacker

Does it mean that the US has an ideological army that stages coups and decides which regime to support?


22 posted on 08/03/2011 3:24:36 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Jewbacca

Thanks for your past and continued service. And out of curiosity what is your favorite fighter? Not a pilot and couldn’t even fly my M-I-L’s broom.


23 posted on 08/03/2011 3:35:02 PM PDT by mcshot (Hey we're turning upside down compliments of career politicians.)
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To: mcshot

“favorite fighter”

Just depends on the job to be done, really.

For air-to-ground, my favorite was the Sufa, which is the two seat verions of the F-16I, simply because the targeting and avionics are better than anything that exists anywhere.


24 posted on 08/03/2011 3:56:58 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

Not a problem. You and your colleagues are still a hero to many on this side of the pond.


25 posted on 08/03/2011 4:02:54 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Eleutheria5

For anyone who knows history, the joooos were there well before the “palestinians” were invented.

Everyday, archeology produces more and more information demonstrating the joooos were there over 5000 years before the “palestinians” , and over 4000 years before the ignorant sandmen found the curse of man, Mohammed (Satans messenger).

The argument of serves them right? The jews occupied much of the sand prior to Satans messenger, not just modern day Israel.


26 posted on 08/03/2011 4:17:16 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Eleutheria5
I don't think so.

I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...

There is nothing ideological in that.

27 posted on 08/03/2011 4:21:47 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Eleutheria5

A much more cold blooded approach is likely the best. To create a “nuclear accident” in Iran that makes nuclear anything anathema.

This would create an accident that would cause extensive loss of life, as well as casualties, and be blamed on the Iranian nuclear program by the Iranian people.

It would require a specially built truck, and a bomb planted at an Iranian nuclear facility upwind of a population center, as well as a follow up propaganda campaign.

The truck would park downwind of the nuclear facility, but upwind of the city. Then it would silently start generating a large volume of a selected list of nuclear isotopes, in an aerosol form. Isotopes that would cause terrible skin burns, as well as lethal radiation poisoning.

Then, after the truck had finished, it would quietly drive away to be dumped at sea, and the bomb would be set off at the nuclear facility, with the added bonus of destroying it. Then a propaganda campaign would expose the accident to the Iranian people.

Several thousand Iranians would be horribly burned and die, but it would prevent further development of nuclear weapons, as well as putting their government in jeopardy. All told, perhaps saving millions of lives.


28 posted on 08/03/2011 5:02:55 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Thanks Eleutheria5.
Mossad is behind the killings of three Iranian scientists in the last 18 months, the paper claimed. A fourth scientist was wounded and subsequently appointed to head Iran's nuclear commission. According to "sources in Israeli intelligence," the targeted assassinations are part of a campaign to sabotage or slow down Iran's nuclear program. The alleged campaign also involves the Stuxnet computer virus.
During the next Iranian uprising, the Mossad (or the IAF) needs to snuff out Khamanei along with his prison bitch, Ahmednutjob.


29 posted on 08/03/2011 8:26:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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But the anti-nuclear crowd would have a *field day* and seek to shut down Dimona as well as any US reactors necessary for producing plutonium / tritium.

I'd just use a Trident or a land-based ICBM (dial-a-yield set to max) to show them up close and personal *WHY* they don't want to tangle with us.

Remember, the US is the only power that has ever willingly, deliberately, nuked civilians; and we firebombed both Germany and Japan, too. Not that I'm particularly glad of that: but if the camel-humpers want to thump their chests, they should remember that we've "been there; done that; got the T-shirt" before most of them were even born.

And the result? Germany and Japan now make our automobiles...

But if you're squeamish, let's aim at their sole refinery first; or else some important military installation exclusive of a population center.

Cheers!

30 posted on 08/03/2011 8:41:58 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: LibWhacker

It doesn’t say “I will interpret the constitution and decide if it’s being followed and if not stage a coup,” though. Interpreting is the judiciary’s job. The military is at the beck and call of the executive, who is checked and balanced by the judiciary and legislative. If the executive branch wants to implement socialism, it’s up to the other two branches of government to stop him, and if he fails to listen to them, they order the military to carry out their previously determined impeachment, and remove him from office. Thus, the military cannot intervene unless directed to in a manner consistent with the constitution.


31 posted on 08/03/2011 10:11:34 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Nice plan.


32 posted on 08/03/2011 10:12:20 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: himno hero

Yes, but the MSM-watching public has been brainwashed until politicians and media types can say that without fear of contradiction.

“Send not to know for whom the bell tolls.
It tolls for Joooos! So it’s no big deal.”


33 posted on 08/03/2011 10:16:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5

It’s not “nice”. It is evil. A “nice” plan should have been done years ago, a satellite TV channel to show the Iranians the horror of nuclear war.

This is because the typical “Iranian on the street” has no idea of what nuclear weapons can do, because for them it is a cross between just “a big bomb”, and Aladdin’s lamp, giving them everything they want right now and at little cost.

A nuclear bomb will make everyone respect them. It will make Iran powerful. It will defend them against foreign enemies. It will make them the dominant regional power. It will drive the US out of the middle east and give Iran hegemony. It will make the Shiite dominant in Islam, perhaps unifying the “Shiite crescent”, and even giving them control over Mecca. It will allow them to destroy their hated enemies.

Just like Aladdin’s lamp. And they see no downside to this. No retribution or costs.

And their leaders thrive on this popular ignorance, perhaps in the hope that either having nuclear weapons, or using nuclear weapons, will beckon the return of the 12th Imam.

Only reality can penetrate the haze of fantasy. Nuclear war will kill millions. Conventional war tens or hundreds of thousands. A horrible nuclear accident, “only” tens of thousands.

It is still evil. But it might save vast numbers of innocent lives, that would otherwise be forfeit.


34 posted on 08/04/2011 5:04:02 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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35 posted on 08/04/2011 5:54:29 AM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: Jewbacca
I’m inclined to nuke Iran.

Should have been done a few years ago. Ground penetrating nukes are the only way to terminate Iran's nuclear ambitions. Also nukes that would bury entrances to underground facilities. But then if I'm Iran my response is to pay billions to Pakistan or another party for a nuke to smuggle into and detonate in Tel Aviv

36 posted on 08/04/2011 7:21:02 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: dennisw

Use Iraqi military to seize the oilfields, easy with US air cover.

Then there will be no money for Iran to pay Pakis.


37 posted on 08/04/2011 8:14:03 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

The Iraqi military is Shiite but maybe that would work. Even if all Iranian oil is shut off the Iranians must have some gold they could sell Pakistan or North Korea for a nuke to clandestinely detonate in Tel Aviv.


38 posted on 08/04/2011 9:39:37 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: Eleutheria5

Thanks for knocking down that straw man. The oath doesn’t say to intrepret the constitution. It says to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. No interpreters, no philosophers needed. When someone attacks you, you don’t need a philosopher to tell you someone is attacking you.


39 posted on 08/04/2011 11:12:49 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

“The oath doesn’t say to intrepret the constitution. It says to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. No interpreters, no philosophers needed. When someone attacks you, you don’t need a philosopher to tell you someone is attacking you.”

So then, I don’t understand what you are calling for when you said this:

“Wow, imagine that. I wish our military would grow a pair and make some demands of its own... namely, that the Left’s push toward transforming the country into a socialist dictatorship where the Constitution is utterly meaningless had better stop.”

The Constitution does not give the military a role in stopping “the Left’s push toward transforming the country into a socialist dictatorship...” except to forcibly remove a president who has been impeached and refuses to go, or refuse to surrender to an attempted coup d’etat or invasion. All other action along that line (stopping the Left’s push) is with the legislative and/or judicial branches, and/or the states.

What specifically do you want the military to do?


40 posted on 08/04/2011 3:44:18 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: LibWhacker

“The oath doesn’t say to intrepret the constitution. It says to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. No interpreters, no philosophers needed. When someone attacks you, you don’t need a philosopher to tell you someone is attacking you.”

So then, I don’t understand what you are calling for when you said this:

“Wow, imagine that. I wish our military would grow a pair and make some demands of its own... namely, that the Left’s push toward transforming the country into a socialist dictatorship where the Constitution is utterly meaningless had better stop.”

The Constitution does not give the military a role in stopping “the Left’s push toward transforming the country into a socialist dictatorship...” except to forcibly remove a president who has been impeached and refuses to go, or refuse to surrender to an attempted coup d’etat or invasion. All other action along that line (stopping the Left’s push) is with the legislative and/or judicial branches, and/or the states.

What specifically do you want the military to do?


41 posted on 08/04/2011 3:44:44 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Secret Agent Man; All
A strike on Iran - I don’t think the average American has even contemplated how much worse everyday life is going to be here once that happens.

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And how much the whole world will be if we DO and how much worse everyday life will be worldwide if Iran develops and deploys nuclear weapons Obama has gone out of his way to allow by dragging his heels and preventing Israel OR the WEST from helping everyone out.

The only positive result of the MOssad assassinations is Iran will now release the remaining two hikes they hold.

Sorry to sound heartless but compared to what a nuclear Islamic Iran will unleash, freeing a couple of hikers does not even enter the comparison.

Even an estimated collateral loss of some 20,000 civilian or noncombatants that might get killed in the attacks is still a drop in the ocean compared to the deaths a nuclear Iran will engender directly or through the arms race among Arab nations and terrorists using nuclear weapons, even if only dirty bombs.

42 posted on 08/04/2011 4:55:51 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: Eleutheria5; All

Under Oba-Hussein it does! He cares nothing about the Constitution and openly by-passes it with his Administration of radical, not always legal nutcases and czars.


43 posted on 08/04/2011 5:03:20 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: grey_whiskers; All

They have built many of their nuclear sites UNDER cities or highly populated neighborhoods, with that deterent in mind.

We are too gentle to attack and remove the threat, even if it will result in MILLIONS killed later.


44 posted on 08/04/2011 5:09:19 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: Jewbacca; All

Good point except it requires landing troops in southern Iran (Khuzestan) and we are war-shy these days. Plus some nuke sites would pollute the oil fields anyway.


45 posted on 08/04/2011 5:14:29 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: dennisw

Do you mean IraQI or Iranian military is Shiite? Iran’s military is Shia. Some of Iraq’s is also but lots of Sunni mixed in.


46 posted on 08/04/2011 5:18:03 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: Eleutheria5

The constitution doesn’t give them a role. Their oath gives them a role. I want them to do the same thing the IDF did: Make demands of the leadership.

That’s what the IDF did and it’s not causing people to wring their hands. The IDF is charged with defending Israel and it cannot do that if Iran gets nukes. It has every right to make demands in that regard. There was no threat of a coup, and there needn’t be one here either.

The military is charged with defending the constitution and should make clear that it therefore cannot stand by while Obama shreds that document, and it should demand that he stop.

Or what? No or what. Just demand that he stop.

A number of US presidents have butted heads with the military and every one of them has lost that contest. Those were extra-constitutional encounters with the military. Where are the brass bells it used to have? They’ve been acting like eunuchs since DADT.

If I were a member of the Joint Chiefs, I damned sure would be voicing my concern to the others.


47 posted on 08/04/2011 9:06:54 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Jewbacca

Count me in.

(I “flew” a 2 seat glider once for ten minutes in the Catskills).


48 posted on 08/04/2011 9:39:59 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: LibWhacker

“A number of US presidents have butted heads with the military and every one of them has lost that contest. “

MacArthur lost to Truman. Just sayin’.

Otherwise, now I know what you mean.


49 posted on 08/04/2011 10:01:53 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: FARS

Sorry, but I can’t agree with that. The answer to bypassing and disregarding the constitution is not going even further. The military is not the Praetorian Guard, and Obozo is most definitely not Julius Caesar, and that coup did not keep Rome a Republic, either. I’m more in line with LibWhacker. Whatever Obongo does to the constitution can be repaired when he leaves, and that day can be hastened by four years with a loud, extra-constitutional protest from the military.


50 posted on 08/04/2011 10:08:10 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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