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King Tut and half of European men share DNA
http://medicalxpress.com ^ | 08-03-2011 | Staff

Posted on 08/04/2011 7:57:05 AM PDT by Red Badger

According to a group of geneticists in Switzerland from iGENEA, the DNA genealogy center, as many as half of all European men and 70 percent of British men share the same DNA as the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, or King Tut.

For a film created for the Discovery Channel, scientists worked to reconstruct the DNA of the young male King, his father Akhenaten and his grandfather Amenhotep III. They discovered that King Tut had a DNA profile that belongs to a group called haplogroup R1b1a2. This group can be found in over 50 percent of European men and shows the researchers that there is a common ancestor.

This genetic profile group is also found in 70 percent of Spanish males and 60 percent of French males however, it is only present in less than one percent of men in modern-day Egyptian men.

The R1b1a2 DNA haplogroup is believed to have originated in the Black Sea region some 9500 years ago and spread to Europe with the spread of agriculture in 7000BC. Researchers are unsure as to how and when the group first came to Egypt. They believe the reasoning the R1b1a2 haplogroup is rarely found in modern-day Egypt is due partially to European immigration throughout the last 2000 years.

iGENEA plans to continue to search for more DNA lineage and are looking to discover King Tut’s closest living relatives. They announced this week that they are selling a DNA service for between 139 and 399 euros and they will test the DNA of those people who are interested in seeing how related to King Tut they may be. This offer, according to Roman Scholz who is the director of iGENEA, has already gained a lot of interest.


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Tuthankamen's famous burial mask, on display in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. Source: wikipedia

Funny, he don't look French...............

1 posted on 08/04/2011 7:57:07 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping!............


2 posted on 08/04/2011 7:57:32 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

Naw, naw, naw!

Everybody knows the ancient Egyptians were black, their kings especially.


3 posted on 08/04/2011 7:59:20 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Red Badger
I'm inclined to believe it.


4 posted on 08/04/2011 7:59:42 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Red Badger

Human population migrations are damn interesting. How did they Egyptians get to Europe? How did the present day Egyptians get to Egypt? How to account for the totality of the Egyptian haplotype replacement, genocide?


5 posted on 08/04/2011 8:01:36 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: skeeter

“European” immigration.

Horsehockey.

What *is* interesting is that this would presume a link between the western world and the Third Dynasty. Something which was presumed not to be the case.

Seems to be that one of his descendents were around during the time of Alexander, and connections between the Romans and the Egyptians.


6 posted on 08/04/2011 8:02:40 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Red Badger

7 posted on 08/04/2011 8:02:57 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Red Badger

“This genetic profile group is also found in 70 percent of Spanish males and 60 percent of French males however, it is only present in less than one percent of men in modern-day Egyptian men.”

Muslim Invasion of Egypt took care of that.


8 posted on 08/04/2011 8:03:07 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
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To: Red Badger
What this means is that Egypt is currently occupied by mainly invaders and interlopers. They need to move out to make room for Spanish, English and French men. They may let some of the women stay as a humanitarian gesture.

But any Egyptian men without the proper DNA link to King Tut need to go back to where they came from or pay a properly negotiated jizya to the rightful owners of the land.

9 posted on 08/04/2011 8:04:11 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Red Badger

“He’s my favorite Honky.”


10 posted on 08/04/2011 8:05:43 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom; Carpe Cerevisi

Thought he was from Arizona?


11 posted on 08/04/2011 8:07:21 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: babble-on
How to account for the totality of the Egyptian haplotype replacement, genocide?

The Arabs moved in and displaced the semi-indigenous population, who either fled or died at the hands of Islam..................

12 posted on 08/04/2011 8:07:30 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: beaversmom

This will come as a surprise to Farrakahn..............


13 posted on 08/04/2011 8:08:20 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

I always thought it fascinating that Ramses the Great had red wavy hair.


14 posted on 08/04/2011 8:09:20 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: vladimir998
The murder, raping, subjugation, and pillaging that is islam would account for that. You might be on to something, not particularly PC, there.
15 posted on 08/04/2011 8:10:07 AM PDT by allmost
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To: Red Badger

Like from ADAM! Romans 1:22


16 posted on 08/04/2011 8:10:55 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Scanian

That’s what they are saying. The immigrants who have displaced the traditional europeans have the traits, silly!


17 posted on 08/04/2011 8:11:30 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: babble-on

His mother supposedly was one of his aunts. His father’s sister. Who really knows who the mother was. Maybe a slave procured from the shores of Europe gave birth to the King’s child and was pawned off as the king/queen brother/sister’s progeny.


18 posted on 08/04/2011 8:11:31 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Red Badger

Who were the “semi-indigenous populations” of Egypt? Just wondering.


19 posted on 08/04/2011 8:12:00 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Red Badger

The last rightful air to King Tut Tut’s throne lives in a Vega near a big pyramid shaped building in the Nevada dessert and plays a lot of faro.
Plus he’s really dark skinned and talks funny so I guess he should have his DNR checked, huh?


20 posted on 08/04/2011 8:14:23 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Red Badger

Tut, nicknamed the ‘Stilt’, was actually almost 6’5”, and in his youth played for the Cairo Capitols.


21 posted on 08/04/2011 8:14:36 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Red Badger

“men share the same DNA”

Doubt it. Could be we share similar DNA but not the same.


22 posted on 08/04/2011 8:15:09 AM PDT by edcoil (The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital. -- Joe Paterno)
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To: skeeter

Not really. Apparently there are very few ‘Egyptians’ left in Egypt. They have been replaced by Arabs.............What this article means is that the true Egyptians migrated into Europe millenia ago and became the ‘natives’...................


23 posted on 08/04/2011 8:15:19 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger
So a lot of European people had the same ancestors as TUT, it does not mean they are from tut. Only they shared common ancestors. If this was not true then it would be a real shock.
24 posted on 08/04/2011 8:15:25 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Red Badger

Look at the Egypt of Tut and Amenhotep and all that culture accomplished and then take a close look at the squalor of modern Egypt. Does anyone really believe that these people are the modern descendents of that great race? I certainly don’t. I’m not in the least surprised to see that only 1% of modern Egyptians share DNA with that ancient culture.


25 posted on 08/04/2011 8:16:35 AM PDT by pgkdan (Time for a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: BenKenobi

“...this would presume a link between the western world and the Third Dynasty.”

I think it just means that Tut and many Europeans share a common ancestor.


26 posted on 08/04/2011 8:17:04 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: beaversmom; Carpe Cerevisi
“He’s my favorite Honky.”

I was going to give the same reply to post #7.

27 posted on 08/04/2011 8:18:46 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Red Badger

Not my haplogroup (I1)


28 posted on 08/04/2011 8:22:11 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: US Navy Vet
Like from ADAM!

That was my thought as well. :)

29 posted on 08/04/2011 8:23:04 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (To paraphrase Sarah Palin: "I love when the liberals get all wee-wee'd up.")
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To: swain_forkbeard

That’s another possibility. Depends on where the ‘closest ancestor’ turns up, and their genealogy.

Wouldn’t it be wild if Queen Elizabeth were the closest relative to King Tut?


30 posted on 08/04/2011 8:24:04 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Red Badger

That’s another possibility.

It’s possible, but unlikely that the Ancient Egyptians originally came from Europe. More likely, that they came from the black sea region at the beginning of the holocene, and eventually migrated down there.

So the only contact between Europeans and Egyptians would have been a very long time ago. It all depends on which half of the British people turn out to have the Tut connection. If it’s the half that were there prior to the Romans (ie, Celtiberians, etc, then yes, it would go back to there.

If it turns up in the Roman era Britons, then that would be very cool, and would likely imply that the connection runs from Egypt to Europe. Which would be really cool.


31 posted on 08/04/2011 8:28:56 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Red Badger
70 percent of British men share the same DNA as the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun

I can see a little resemblance...


32 posted on 08/04/2011 8:30:10 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Red Badger; vladimir998
R1b1a2 haplogroup is rarely found in modern-day Egypt . . . .

If the Copt population were broken out I'm sure the incidence of that haplogroup would match European percentages.

33 posted on 08/04/2011 8:31:06 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Red Badger

The entire R1b group is extremely rare among the Jewish people, with less than 10% expressing any of the R1b groups, so it appears that King Tut was “not a Jew.”

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/JewishR1b/default.aspx


34 posted on 08/04/2011 8:32:32 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Looks like you are right. It’s Celtiberian distribution.

Man, I wish I were as smart as you.


35 posted on 08/04/2011 8:32:49 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Oratam

Actually, it turns out the 1 percent is from British immigrants to Egypt from the time it was a British colony.

The Copts seem to be Semitic people, like the Jews, moreso then the Celtiberians or the Greeks.


36 posted on 08/04/2011 8:34:39 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: US Navy Vet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt


37 posted on 08/04/2011 8:35:46 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

Thank You, quite enlightening.


38 posted on 08/04/2011 8:36:54 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Oratam

I was thinking the same thing.
The Arabs are currently trying to annihilate the Copts.........


39 posted on 08/04/2011 8:37:20 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

This sort of thing rarely happens, if ever, as per Cavalli-Sforza. The rural agricultural populations that are the base of all civilized cultures are very hard to eradicate. Conquerors generally just replace the upper classes and at best the urban centers, which historically have been population sinks - where races go to die.

Also, other factors such as historically linked languages - Coptic is related to Arabic, etc., suggest that the present Egyptian population is in fact descended mainly from the ancient Egyptian population.


40 posted on 08/04/2011 8:44:19 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Vigilanteman
What this means is that Egypt is currently occupied by mainly invaders and interlopers. They need to move out to make room for Spanish, English and French men. They may let some of the women stay as a humanitarian gesture. But any Egyptian men without the proper DNA link to King Tut need to go back to where they came from or pay a properly negotiated jizya to the rightful owners of the land.

There is an assumption that King Tut was of the same ethnicity as the Egyptians he ruled. Cleopatra and Ptolemy (despite the afro-centrists beliefs) were Greek -- after Alexander the Great conquered Egypt, he installed a new Macedonian ruling class. During the period around 2000BC to 1550BC the Hyksos from (apparently) western Asia (Middle East) invaded and ruled Egypt. So the genetics of the ruling class may not be representative of the common people.

41 posted on 08/04/2011 8:44:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: CaptainK

Or the dynasty had aquired a strong European strain at some point, preserved by inbreeding.


42 posted on 08/04/2011 8:46:33 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Red Badger
DADDY_OH!

KISS! KISS!

43 posted on 08/04/2011 8:50:43 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Red Badger

It can mean a lot of things, but that seems like one of the less likely explanations.

It could just mean that the Egyptian royal family had a strong European strain at the time, from even a rather distant ancestor.

Cavalli-Sforza has shown that for the most part genetic variation among human populations is gradual by distance, barring isolation, except where a small pre-agricultural population was replaced by a much more numerous agricultural one - because agriculture supports orders of magnitudes more people.

Once there are millions of peasants living on the land it is quite difficult to get rid of them.


44 posted on 08/04/2011 8:53:33 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Yes, but Arabic isn’t a Celtic language. That’s the problem here.


45 posted on 08/04/2011 9:03:04 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Well Tut’s dynasty lasted for quite some time. It’s possible that the people who ruled Egypt by the third dynasty were not the same as the people who ruled in the 1st and 2nd.

However, the origins of Tut and his family could be explained if they had Assyrian ancestry and Thutmose I married into the existing Egyptian royal family.

However, that still doesn’t change the enormous population dislocation of the end of the Roman Empire.


46 posted on 08/04/2011 9:06:35 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: buwaya

Egypt has been a crossroads for humanity for millenia. The people who live there now are not the descendants of the people who built the great civilizations of the past. The ancient Egyptians of the pre-Alexander era, were most likely traders with the Phoenicians (Carthage, Spain, Tyre and Sidon) and may have hitched a ride with them to southwestern Europe when things got heated in the wars with Babylon, Assyria and eventually Greece and Rome. When they moved out, the Arabs moved in....................


47 posted on 08/04/2011 9:08:45 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger
Off topic, but that burial mask is (or at least was as of 1983) exhibited in the middle of a room at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo on a pedestal surrounded on all four sides by glass. One could get quite close to it and see it on all sides. When looking at it directly from the front the face seems alive and the eyes look straight into your own. It's one of the most remarkable things I've personally ever seen.

By the time of King Tut several dynasties had already risen and fallen in Egypt and so it would be hard to identify a direct lineage back to the original founders of the kingdom. A successful general could ascend to become Pharaoh by marrying the daughter of the previous one, and sometimes a son of a Pharaoh would marry his own sister to gain legitimacy. So if anything, their genetics could be a very, shall we say, unusual mix.

48 posted on 08/04/2011 9:09:55 AM PDT by katana
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To: BenKenobi

Tutanhkamun was one of the pharaohs of the 18th dynasty (New Kingdom) in the 1300s—the 3rd dynasty was in the Old Kingdom more than 1000 years earlier.


49 posted on 08/04/2011 9:29:56 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Red Badger
DADDY_OH!

KISS! KISS!

50 posted on 08/04/2011 10:20:28 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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