Skip to comments.Polygamy Meets Big Brother
Posted on 08/04/2011 8:41:36 AM PDT by MizSterious
The West Texas jury deciding the fate of polygamy cult leader Warren Jeffs listened through headphones to 21 minutes of heavy breathing yesterday. Some in the room wept. Others held their hands over their mouths. The X-rated recording, a cornerstone of the states child-sex-assault case, allegedly chronicled Jeffs encounter with a 12-year-old girl, an episode that ended with the self-proclaimed prophet declaring, In Jesus Christ, amen.
The jurors heard an almost inaudible voice. Amen, echoed the child.
It got worse. According to prosecutors, Jeffs and his new celestial wife were not alone. A dozen of his most trusted men were witnesses to the sealing. It was a family affair: At least one of Jeffs other wives, his purported favorite, Naomi, was also in the room. What are you feeling? Jeffs asked the girl. And in a moment that froze everyone in the courtroom, she answered meekly, Very well, thank you.
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SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The child sex assault case of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs is heading to closing arguments.
Jeffs, head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, asked Thursday to suspend the trial for two days to call more witnesses, saying he didn't have enough time to prepare from jail.
State District Judge Barbara Walther rejected the request after quizzing Jeffs over what witnesses he planned to call. Jeffs didn't offer any names.
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Expect a verdict today. As someone tweeted, it will take longer to read the jury instructions than it will to come back with a guilty verdict on this guy.
I am confused... when the article mentions “other people were in the room to witness the sealing”... does that mean what I think it means?
Yes. And one of them was reportedly the child’s own mother, who they said helped hold her down. Despicable.
I was thinking that my brain went way out initially. I don’t even know what to say. I am that dumbfounded! I would kill or die trying to kill ANYONE hurting my daughter (or son for that matter). This is beyond sick and evil... How can people much less the child’s own MOTHER watch and participate in her rape?
If “marrying” 12 year old girls is Jeffs’ worst crime, this may be closer than we think to becoming a non-crime at some point in the future, though he’s nailed six ways from Sunday under present law and most consider his acts to be very odious.
Polygamy — making a claim to a governmentally recognized state of simultaneous marriage to multiple spouses — is still against the law, because the government refuses to define that kind of “marriage” — yet. But living with multiple persons of the opposite (or any) sex, and privately calling it anything you want (e.g. “ham sandwich”) has been viewed as OK by the USSC itself.
In the meantime, it is modern ages that have placed taboos upon marriages of people who are at the age when marriage in biblical societies (including the Hebrews under the Mosaic law) would begin to become possible. That’s 12 for girls, 13 for boys.
Of course the latter was intended for actual marriages, not for “living together” which would have been considered either rape or fornication and severely punished.
On Wednesday, Texas prosecutors rested their case after playing a key piece of evidence for jurors: an audiotape they allege documents Jeffs' sexual assault of a then-12-year-old girl in the presence of three other "wives."
One juror wiped her eyes as she listened to the recording. Another looked at Jeffs out of the corner of her eye. Still another had a hand covering her mouth.
One of the three wives is the child's mother. I do not think he's also the father of his "bride" but with this group, who knows? I think this jury will convict this guy. If only we could next convict the mothers.
One would hope he had enough humanity left to not commit biological incest (inbreeding) — wishing a host of congenital diseases and defects upon the offspring — but who knows.
“If marrying 12 year old girls is Jeffs worst crime, this may be closer than we think to becoming a non-crime at some point in the future...”
I agree. A society that embraces homosexuality and rapidly that of homo-marriage, will eventually be accepting of anything.
JessABoyle RT @HLNTV: More at 12p on #HLN RT @erinhln #warrenjeffs has rested his case. He sat silently, refusing to answer the judge. Closing arguments next. 6 minutes ago ·
Live Tweets at San Angelo Standard Times — http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/aug/03/live-tweets-from-the-warren-jeffs-trial/
You know, I don’t know why they don’t go after the women. Is it assumed that he is the cult leader and they are brainwashed thus not responsible? A woman holds down her daughter so “step-daddy” can rape her? I will say that I am glad that I am not a juror. I think I would have gotten physically ill listening to the tape. All the Lysol in the world that I could bathe in wouldn’t make me feel any more clean after that testimony.
I know some here think that eventually all this will be legal in this country. I sure hope not, because the day that happens is the end of this country. It will have no moral ground whatever, and I think it will just fall apart.
I agree. I understand why some think it will become legal. Marriage is between a man and woman. Change that via law that it can include man-man or woman-woman. If that is done, then every “match” can be up for debate. Man-multiple women, woman-multiple men. Not too far behind that is children. Whether that can be disguised as a “religious freedom” or not.. I don’t know. You are right though. I pray that it doesn’t. If it does, we have embraced the D_vi_ as a nation IMHO.
My only objection to those raids was that they should have happened much sooner.
Hiding behind the cloak of or religion and religious freedom is an atrocity and abomination.
I am confident that the framers of the Constitution never had any intent of protecting such disgusting, vile immorality in the name of God.
It's amazing the tape was even found.
Yeah. He had an audience.
Nothing like real, live pron in the name of religion, eh?
Er. porn. Sorry for the misspelling. I’m so angry right now that I am not thinking clearly.
“... it’s amazing the tape was even found”.
Agreed but disturbing is why was the tape made and kept? Is it to listen to and ... relive those moments? Some sort of sick, twisted sexual thing?
Did you read further about the fLDS goons stalking the reporters and trying to keep a lid on the fLDS people?? Creepy, but I’ve read stories like this before. Flora Jessup, for one, has had several attempts on her life for speaking out.
“On this earlier tape, Jeffs asked twelve of his plural wives to disrobe as he gave them private training to be heavenly comfort wives, which appears to include group sex. I need more than one wife to be with me at a time, Jeffs told them. The Lord has shown me that in heaven the gods are with quorums of women when they conceive children.
So this is the excuse this man is using to have orgies with mothers and chldren. Horrid. Sounds like he has a real conflict with Jesus’ own words.
Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.”
I think I am between angry and sick to my stomach. I read a post about a child porn ring on the internet that showed clips of raping children/babies for its members. I guess that is how they get off. I can only imagine that this group viewing of “deflowering” is some sort of deviant sexual behavior. Reminds me of the descriptions of satanic masses...
One thing one of the reporters on HLN mentioned yesterday is that the man, uh, “pleasures himself” constantly in jail. I guess one of the jail people leaked this info. So I’d guess that were he out of jail, he’d be listening to those tapes like other perverts do, reliving those moments. He really needs to be permanently locked up. Some would like to see the death penalty, but that’s too easy.
Somehow, because of invoking religious freedom, these people are getting away with child abuse. A lot of people didn't even know this was going on in the U.S.
I’s so sick of hearing how in other cultures and other times.... yada, yada, yada.
This is not other cultures and other times.
This is rape of a young girl by a perverted man old enough to be her grandfather in the name of God and religion.
It’s time to lay that vapid defense of sexuality for 12 year old girls to rest.
That is what entered my mind... the “excitement” of listening to the tape over and over (can you tell that we are being so careful with terminology?!). Personally, if he wants to “pleasure himself” in prison, it is too bad that he isn’t “helped out” with a friend name Bubba. If he is into “groups watching”... I am sure that some of the other prisoners can assist him with this need.
It’s not very Christian of me, but at times I do hope he gets to experience what these children were forced to experience. And it’s really not just Jeffs. If you read about others who have escaped, there’s a lot of this going on—some fathers routinely rape their daughters. In one of the books I read, the author (can’t remember which book now) suggested—halfway jokingly—that the reason Jeffs has to “marry” them so young is because if he needs a virgin, he has to get to them before their fathers do. The entire culture is sick beyond description.
Just heard this on Tru TV:
“The judge declared the defense rested.”
Good. I hope we have a verdict by this evening. Thanks, Doc!
You know, God has been dealing with me about forgiving others which I am working on.
But this is just beyond my capacity to forgive. The rapes aside, as horrendous as they are, all that is going on in this cult in the name of God, defaming Him that way is adding insult to injury.
If anyone comes up with a *May God have mercy on his soul* comment, I’ll have to fight beating them senseless.
This is so demonic.
That’s something I need to work on, too. Hard to forgive some things.
He tries to sound so holy, but for anyone who’s read the Bible, he’s anything but.
So why aren’t the parents & others in the room being charged?
I wish I knew. Everyone keeps saying to spare the wives. I say don’t. But then, Texas never dropped me an email asking me...! ;)
Greg Abbott is in the Courtroom.
I’ say Greg Abbott and Eric Nichols have created an environment today where that would be more politically acceptable - than when Oprah was droning on about their ‘wholesome’ lives, beautiful hair and good old fashioned home made bread.
That disgraceful show of Oprah’s exposed her for the hypocrite she is. Lots of others share her disgrace, too.
August 4, 2011
Warren Jeffs Rests His Case
Posted: 12:48 PM ET
With less than an hour of arguments today from Warren Jeffs, the polygamist sect leader on trial for sexual assault silently rested his case. This comes after a bizarre day of testimony yesterday.
Day 5 of the TX v Warren Jeffs trial began with Warren Jeffs, asking for what he calls Constitutional protection based upon his belief that he represents a religious organization. His request was immediately denied.
During testimony, the prosecution established how Warren Jeffs married a 12-year-old girl who is the daughter of one of his followers. The child was watched over by Jeffs most of her life. Public records show the jury learned that Jeffs was involved in assigning jobs for the Jessop family and was the principle at Alta Academy, the FLDS school the girl attended.
In most States girls as young as 14 can be married under parental consent. In Massachusetts a girl w/ parental consent can marry as young as 12 years old.
So my question is this: Should parental consent marriage laws all over the US be overturned?
As I understand it Jeff’s did have parental consent. This could all turn on if he was legally married to the girls at the time of consummation. If he was legally married (after legally divorcing the prior wife) under they rule of State law could he still be prosecuted?
While technically being recognized as an adult at those ages in Hebrew culture, that does NOT mean that they were married off at that age.
That is a disgusting stealth attempt to justify that disgusting behavior.
Not only that, but the child rape defenders who use that argument don't know for a fact that it was common practice in the past or in other cultures to marry off kids of that age. Just because it happened on some occasions, does not mean that it was the blanket rule or practice and it cannot be assumed to be the norm when there is no hard evidence to support it. Making ASSumptions does not count.
And it is NO justification for any of this.
Are you Mormon? Or FLDS? Or some other flavor of LDS?
So you support child rape?
And ps, check the Texas laws as to age of consent. This happened in Texas, not some other state.
You are right, Metmom. God has nothing to do with this. If this cult chooses to ask Him for forgiveness, that is between them. Plain and simple. To do this in what is called religion... adds insult to injury. I’ve known a handful of women who dealt with sexual abuse as children. To be frank, something was taken from them... I can’t really describe it other than a small piece of their soul. As adults, two were on medication and the other one was a cutter/had been hospitalized many times for suicide attempts/breaks with reality etc... I am not saying that every child grows up completely damaged almost beyond repair. What I am saying is that it is not a “one time event” that can be shoved away like an old pair of shoes. It haunts them and can destroy them. That is why this type of thing infuriates me... it is more than the initial abuse. It robs them of something precious.
Or on LSD?
Looks to me like we have another child rape defender.
It makes me sick to see them haunting a conservative forum like FR.
Yeah, sure makes FR look bad. No doubt some talk show host will be quoting some of these to prove all of FR is like this minority we’re seeing today.
Ignore them. We’ve heard it all before.
In the meantime Katy Vine has a good write up in Texas Monthly summarizing Aug 2 and 3. She describes reaction in the Courtroom and the jury’s body language.
As always - she’s amusing.
I’m going to be sick........
That poor jury. They’ll NEVER be able to forget what they’ve seen and heard there.
I hope God has mercy on THEIR souls and cleanses their minds from that pollution.
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