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Sentencing phase begins after Warren Jeffs found guilty
Abilene Reporter-News ^ | August 4, 2011 at 10:41 p.m. | Matthew Waller and Kiah Collier

Posted on 08/05/2011 7:45:51 AM PDT by MizSterious

Sentencing phase begins after Warren Jeffs found guilty

* By Matthew Waller and Kiah Collier Scripps Newspapers
* Abilene Reporter-News
* Posted August 4, 2011 at 10:41 p.m.

SAN ANGELO — With two guilty verdicts in hand, the state of Texas is pressing ahead into the penalty phase of the Warren Jeffs trial in San Angelo.

After a 10-woman, two-man Tom Green County jury found the head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints guilty as charged of one count of sexual assault of a child and one count of aggravated sexual assault of a child, the penalty phase of the trial proceeded almost immediately late Thursday afternoon.

In the penalty phase, prosecution and defense can present arguments, witnesses and evidence for the jury to consider as it deliberates on penalties.

Attorney General Greg Abbott, who was present the first two days of the trial and returned Thursday to hear the verdict, said: "It's a unique case with regard to the crimes involved at the YFZ Ranch. The veil has been pulled back on the sexual assault of so many kids."

Jeffs' support in his own sect has become shaky. Willie Jessop, a former follower of Jeffs who remains a member of the FLDS, spurned the convicted leader.

"Warren Jeffs betrayed his people and the values of his people," Jessop said at the end of Thursday's proceedings. Everyone in the FLDS, he said, "has to take some responsibility."

(Excerpt) Read more at reporternews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: flds; mormon; rape; warrenjeffs
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Hmmm...looks like Willy might want to take over in Warren's absence.
1 posted on 08/05/2011 7:45:55 AM PDT by MizSterious
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Warren Jeffs trial pinglist—if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail!


2 posted on 08/05/2011 7:47:16 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Bleeding the Beast: Polygamist sect accused of abusing welfare

Posted: 08:33 AM ET

In discussions about Warren Jeffs and the FLDS (Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) church the topic of “bleeding the beast,” or taking advantage of government money, often comes up. A former polygamist sect member, Laurie Allen, talked about it in an interview on In Session. Allen produced "Banking on Heaven," a documentary about the FLDS under Jeffs’ leadership. During our interview last week, Allen claimed the FLDS collects food stamps and other forms of public assistance because many of the women technically are still single. In the FLDS, multiple women are often “celestially married” to one man, with only one of the women being legally married to their collective husband. That means the other illegitimate wives can collect assistance for themselves and their children.

Allen said the group also collects government assistance for children with disabilities – disabilities she attributes to inbreeding in the FLDS community. She claims “in the state ofArizonaalone, they’re getting between 20 and 30 million dollars a year” and most of the members “are living off taxpayer money.” She interviewed former Attorney General Terry Goddard in her documentary. Goddard told her 80% of the FLDS members are on welfare and more than 4,000 of them have state medical insurance access.

In 2006, CNN’s Randi Kaye wrote a blog detailing how polygamy affects taxpayers. In the blog, Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff made a similar assertion, stating "their religious belief is that they'll bleed the beast, meaning the government. They hate the government, so they'll bleed it for everything they can through welfare, tax evasion and fraud."

(Excerpt. Read more at CNN Online)

3 posted on 08/05/2011 7:51:34 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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Jeffs to remain president of FLDS Church, commerce officials say

Ben Winslow
fox13now.com
8:35 p.m. MDT, August 3, 2011

SALT LAKE CITY— Regardless of whether or not he is convicted in Texas, Warren Jeffs will remain in charge of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

A deadline over who is in control of the corporate entity of the polygamous sect came and went Wednesday, with no new filings or a court order settling the dispute. A former member, William E. Jessop, has challenged Jeffs for the presidency of the Corporation of the President of the FLDS Church. He claims Jeffs relinquished the presidency of the FLDS Church while incarcerated in Utah and awaiting trial on criminal charges here back in 2007.

(Excerpt. Read the rest at Fox13now.com.)

4 posted on 08/05/2011 7:56:30 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

So Warren Jeffs may spend the rest of his days living in a cell with a guy whose nickname is “Big Love.”


5 posted on 08/05/2011 7:56:30 AM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: MizSterious

Confucius say: Dark night. Two strong ranch hands. One with a gunny sack. One with this tool.

Much more effective and cheaper than long jail sentence.

6 posted on 08/05/2011 8:04:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MizSterious
re: Willie Jessop, a former follower of Jeffs who remains a member of the FLDS, spurned the convicted leader.

This guy is just as much of a creep as Jeffs. Jessop is acting surprised at what Jeffs did, when the truth is that everyone, including Jessop knew what Jeffs was doing and allowed it to take place. Jeffs was their “prophet”, appointed by God himself. So everything that Jeffs did was “God's will”. If Jessop takes over, his whims will become "God's will" under the FLDS belief system.

7 posted on 08/05/2011 8:08:31 AM PDT by Nevadan
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Jeffs' brother will take over: Ex-FLDS member

August 5, 2011 9:46 AM

Warren Jeffs' practices will likely continue even though he's behind bars, according to Flora Jessop, who escaped from his polygamist sect when she was just 16 years old.

On Thursday, Jeffs was convicted after less than four hours of jury deliberations of sexually assaulting two underage girls in Texas. He faces the possibility of life in prison.

Warren Jeffs wants to be martyr: Ex-FLDS member

But Jessop says there are several people "waiting in the wings" to fill Jeffs' leader role in the fringe Mormon sect, including his brother, Lyle Jeffs.

Jessop says Lyle Jeffs will likely take the helm of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) -- and says he will to continue Warren Jeffs' practices if he's not stopped.

"This is not a practice that's going to go away," Jessop said. "I want the American people to understand that this is not the only polygamist group out there, and if we don't stand up and demand accountability from these groups, then it's building. It's growing. It's going to be moving into a neighborhood next to you."

(Excerpt. Read the rest at CBS News.)

8 posted on 08/05/2011 8:09:52 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Hah, I’ll chip in to buy one of those. Or maybe one of his cellmates will have that kind of fetish and provide the service gratis?


9 posted on 08/05/2011 8:11:19 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Nevadan

Willy is one of the scarier people that used to surround Jeffs. We used to call him Willy the Thug on some of the threads, as he seemed to play the part of “enforcer.” I’m with you. I don’t believe his innocent, gee, I never knew line.


10 posted on 08/05/2011 8:15:44 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
When he was escorted from the courthouse for the day, a middle-aged woman screamed at him, "You lose, you worthless pervert!"
11 posted on 08/05/2011 8:17:03 AM PDT by laotzu
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“Jessop is acting surprised at what Jeffs did, when the truth is that everyone, including Jessop knew what Jeffs was doing and allowed it to take place.”

I think the tape and the rape room they set up with benches around the bed show that, not only should nobody with FLDS be surprised - they were most likely witnesses to the actual child rape.

12 posted on 08/05/2011 8:21:13 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: MizSterious
Jeff's future cellmate “Bubba” : Yo! Jeff's we’ze gonna have ourselves a litta bit a roleplay. I'm gonna be you and you’ze gonna be my 12 year old bride.
13 posted on 08/05/2011 8:34:39 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Vigilanteman

I am a “suburbs gal”... is that device used on farm animals to.. uh, neuter?


14 posted on 08/05/2011 8:39:20 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: MizSterious
"Warren Jeffs betrayed his people and the values of his people," Jessop said at the end of Thursday's proceedings. Everyone in the FLDS, he said, "has to take some responsibility."

IOW, they couldn't keep everything a secret during the trial and he wasn't declared innocent.

IOW (again) nothing is going to change at the ranch.

15 posted on 08/05/2011 8:45:47 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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Polygamist leader's records helped get convictions

Posted: Aug 05, 2011 9:56 AM CDT
Updated: Aug 05, 2011 9:56 AM CDT

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — As a prophet of his polygamist sect, Warren Jeffs documented everything he did, keeping track of every marriage he performed, every young woman he wed, and even recording his intimate moments.

It was those meticulous records — including an audiotape of what prosecutors said was him sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl he'd taken as a bride — that helped authorities secure two child sex assault convictions against the 55-year-old ecclesiastical head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Now, prosecutors hope those same records will help bring a life prison sentence to a man regarded by his followers as God's spokesman on Earth. The West Texas jurors who convicted Jeffs will begin determining his appropriate punishment on Friday, and they'll hear evidence about scores of alleged crimes not mentioned during his trial.

For starters, Jeffs had 78 wives in addition to his legal spouse, and 24 of them were under age 17, said Eric Nichols, lead prosecutor for the Texas Attorney General's office, which is handling the case. Nichols also said he would show that Jeffs committed six other sexual assaults and either witnessed or performed more than 500 polygamist marriages, as well as 67 other sect marriages involving underage girls.

(Excerpt: See the rest at CBS8.)

16 posted on 08/05/2011 8:50:39 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

I am hoping for life. Were there only two charges that he was convicted on? Two?


17 posted on 08/05/2011 8:52:22 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: metmom

They just had the Texas AG on TRUTV, and from what he said, maybe this time something will actually be done. At least in Texas. I have no hope for Utah.


18 posted on 08/05/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: momtothree

Yep. And for the most part, it is bloodless.


19 posted on 08/05/2011 8:53:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: momtothree

Yes, it is a castration device.


20 posted on 08/05/2011 8:54:17 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Vigilanteman

My FIL (rest his soul) grew up on a farm in Indiana. I have heard the stories of when he “neutered” hogs. (not sure of the correct animal-husbandry term). I remember asking, “Did many bleed to death?” He would laugh... then say “nope, that never happened”. My MIL visited the farm with him when they were young. Growing up in the suburbs did not get her ready for the day when Pop-Pop helped his Dad with the hogs. She got so upset with the hogs screaming that she drove into town for the entire day. Even when it was explained to her that a hog will raise heck just being held.. didn’t matter. It was town for the day!


21 posted on 08/05/2011 8:57:12 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

He was only charged with two counts. Found guilty on both.


22 posted on 08/05/2011 8:58:46 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I learn more on FR then one can ever imagine!! LOL!!


23 posted on 08/05/2011 8:58:57 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: reaganaut

Can’t find a news source online for this, but apparently Jeffs is still raising heck in court. Soon as someone puts the story online, I’ll post. But in brief, he’s still trying to command the judge to do things his way—he wants to be avoid being in court for the sentencing process, but if he doesn’t come to court, the judge says she has to appoint an attorney for him. He doesn’t want that. She evidently politely told him that he is not in control here, and he can do one or the other.


24 posted on 08/05/2011 9:00:33 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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They just had the Texas AG on TRUTV, and from what he said, maybe this time something will actually be done. At least in Texas. I have no hope for Utah.

Sounds like more indictments will be coming.

25 posted on 08/05/2011 9:00:51 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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“We are alarmed that such depravity could have been perpetrated by anyone,” says a written statement from the Principle Rights Coalition, a group representing five polygamist groups in Arizona and Utah, as well as “numerous other independent Fundamentalist Mormons.”

“It is especially devastating to discover that sexual assault of young children may have occurred behind the false pretense of a religious ideology,” the statement says. “If any members of our communities are in fact guilty, we fully support their being brought to justice.”

From http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/08/05/139021602/polygamists-condemn-warren-jeffs-sexual-abuse?ft=1&f=1001


Looks like lots of rushing to cover backsides here. Perhaps literally.


26 posted on 08/05/2011 9:05:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

He actually said that Texas “would look into” prosecuting some of the women. People are calling in to TRU TV demanding pitchforks, tar and feathers for these women. Not much sympathy from these callers! (Many of them mothers themselves.)


27 posted on 08/05/2011 9:06:57 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: momtothree
Yep. Hogs can be ear splitting. I much preferred doing this work on young bullocks. Back in the day, I wrestled and held them down while my brother did the cutting.

When the cutting was done, we retired to the table for a tasty breakfast of scrambled eggs, hotcakes and Rocky Mountain oysters. The womenfolk in the household were not allowed to partake of these oysters because it was thought to enhance the male hormones.

The hog oysters just got thrown away. Wish I'd asked my Dad why.

The tool in my post generally just smashes the seminal vessels without the blood. Once in awhile, it will break the skin and you get minor bleeding. Even more rarely, the vessels will survive or recover from the initial crimping and the process has to be redone. Not a pleasant process, because the animal knows exactly what is going to happen. My dad preferred to do the cutting on younger calves (more sure, they heal faster) and use the tool on older calves since you were far less likely to need an encore as the seminal vessels are generally fully or nearly fully developed and will not recover even from a bad crimp. It goes without saying that you don't get Rocky Mountain Oysters by using the tool.

28 posted on 08/05/2011 9:17:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MizSterious
He actually said that Texas “would look into” prosecuting some of the women. People are calling in to TRU TV demanding pitchforks, tar and feathers for these women. Not much sympathy from these callers! (Many of them mothers themselves.)

First of all, these women in the compound need to be told that Jeffs was convicted. They probably don't even know at this point. They need to know and ponder the implications of their involvement.

29 posted on 08/05/2011 9:22:03 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Flora said she is going to try to do just that, when she was on the phone with HLN yesterday evening. Let’s hope she can get it done—it won’t be easy.


30 posted on 08/05/2011 9:29:13 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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Jeffs delivers proclamation during sentencing phase

* By Kiah Collier, Matthew Waller
* San Angelo Standard Times
* Posted August 5, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Warren Jeffs delivered another proclamation he said is from God this morning during the sentencing phase of his trial.

On Thursday, Jeffs, the head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, was found guilty of one count of sexual assault of a child and one count of aggravated sexual assault of a child. The penalty phase of the trial proceeded almost immediately late Thursday afternoon.

This morning, he read a statement for the court before the jury came in.

Reading from a statement that Jeffs said God sent him, Jeffs said "This judging of the servant of my sending is an unjust attack."

The nation will "go down with the fall of Babylon," the statement continued, "and there will be a "whirlwind of judgment over North and South America."

Jeffs requested to not be present through the sentencing phase, also adding he did not want standby counsel to represent him either.

However, 51st District Judge Barbara Walther, said he could not have both.

"I know that this is difficult for you to understand," she told Jeffs, "but you don't have control over these proceedings."

(Read more at GoSanAngelo.com.)

31 posted on 08/05/2011 9:33:17 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
"I know that this is difficult for you to understand," she told Jeffs, "but you don't have control over these proceedings."

It's gratifying to see Warren Jeffs reduced to this.

32 posted on 08/05/2011 9:35:14 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

That was one powerful moment, I think. Those who escaped his cult must be delighted to see someone, especially a woman, say this!


33 posted on 08/05/2011 9:44:25 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Why do I think that the womenfolk not being able to participate in the “oyster” part of the breakfast wasn’t met with debate?!!! “Oh.. you boys worked so hard... you can have ALL the Rocky Mountain Oysters that you want!” ((giggle, giggle))


34 posted on 08/05/2011 9:46:26 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree
LOL! You're so right.

But us guys had fun telling them so anyway.

35 posted on 08/05/2011 9:55:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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It’s gratifying to see Warren Jeffs reduced to this.

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Especially by a woman. LOL.


36 posted on 08/05/2011 10:07:46 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

Jeffs delivers proclamation during sentencing phase

Reporters from the local paper keep updates coming in and are posted.

37 posted on 08/05/2011 10:17:23 AM PDT by deport ( In Texas it's hotter than two goats fighting in a jalapeno patch.)
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To: MizSterious
I would hope you included the muzzy polygs in your warning.....there are a LOT More of them.
38 posted on 08/05/2011 10:40:39 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: MizSterious

I would hope you included the muzzy polygs in your warning.....there are a LOT more of them.


39 posted on 08/05/2011 10:40:52 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: S.O.S121.500

When a case goes to court, I’ll be on the side of the anti-polygamists. Every time. Regardless of who’s practicing it.


40 posted on 08/05/2011 11:00:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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Polygamist leader's trial continues in his absence

WILL WEISSERT, Associated Press
Updated 12:51 p.m., Friday, August 5, 2011

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — The punishment phase in the child sex assault trial of Warren Jeffs has resumed without the polygamist leader in the courtroom.

Jeffs asked Friday to be excused in protest. He didn't want anyone to represent him, but state District Judge Barbara Walther appointed two standby attorneys.

Defense attorney Deric Walpole says he'll "finally get to do my job." He was one of seven lawyers Jeffs fired before deciding to represent himself.

The head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was convicted Thursday on two counts of sexual assault of a child.

(Excerpt--read more at MySanAntonio.com.

41 posted on 08/05/2011 11:38:10 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
Make Warren Jeffs the permanent “Spiritual Wife” of Cell Block C for next 50-years.
42 posted on 08/05/2011 11:44:08 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: MizSterious

Legally, it is a smart move to have the lawyers handle this, he may escape with less than the full 119 year sentence (IDK if Texas has ‘good behavior’ reductions).

However, I’m gonna miss his trainwreck.

BTW, the prosecution has asked that his proclamation from God that he gave this morning be transcribed so they can enter it as evidence against him.


43 posted on 08/05/2011 11:54:33 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

Must be tough for someone to swallow who is used to believing he is his own god.

His word was final on the ranch. Welcome to reality Warren. not so sweet, is it?

Tough $*(#

(Excuse the language but I LOVE it)


44 posted on 08/05/2011 12:05:41 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MizSterious
He actually said that Texas “would look into” prosecuting some of the women. People are calling in to TRU TV demanding pitchforks, tar and feathers for these women. Not much sympathy from these callers! (Many of them mothers themselves.)

GOOD!!!!

45 posted on 08/05/2011 12:07:19 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: SandRat

At least one article said he could get much more than 50 years, which is fine by me.


46 posted on 08/05/2011 3:28:49 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: metmom

Hah! Well, speaking of “sweet”—he used to tell all his harem to “keep sweet”—now it’s about to be his turn to “keep sweet.”


47 posted on 08/05/2011 3:31:25 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

I like the idea of his being the sweet-heart of Cell Block C for 50-years.


48 posted on 08/05/2011 3:36:46 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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FLDS Girls Vindicated as Pedophile "Prophet" Awaits Sentencing

ForbesBy Victoria Pynchon | Forbes – 57 mins ago
Guest Post by true crime author Cathy Scott

Two guilty verdicts in the state of Texas versus polygamist leader Warren Jeffs finally vindicated the right of Jeffs’ underage victims to be free of sexual predation under the guise of protected religious activities.

Jeffs, who had 78 wives in addition to his legal spouse, 24 of whom were under the age of 17, was convicted of the rape of two young followers, 12 and 14, whose “spiritual marriages” and subsequent sexual assaults were captured on audiotape.

Even more disturbing than Jeffs’ cult-sanctioned pedophilia was the revelation during trial that three of Jeffs’ “wives” were in the room holding down the 12-year old victim while Jeffs raped her. In a scene straight out of The Handmaid’s Tale, audiotapes seized during a 2008 raid on the Eldorado Texas compound run by Jeffs’ church, revealed that one of those “wives” bound the girl’s arms and legs to assist Jeffs in the rape.

(Excerpt--read the rest at Forbes via Yahoo)


The more details that come out about this bunch, the more my stomach turns. Hard to believe these are human beings doing this.

49 posted on 08/05/2011 3:41:39 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
I hate to break it to Cathy Scott - but no one’s been ‘vindicated’ and so far they haven't stopped anything.

Jeffs is still in the county jail, which means he's eligible to use the phone 24/7 as long as he has the phone cards to do so. His loyal followers supplied him with +20,000 dollars in phone cards for one month. That won't change until he is moved to Huntsville.

He could pick up the phone and tell them to rape every eight year old on that ranch and they'd do it. They are still out there surrounded with barbed wire - and if you stand at the gate, a large two story guard house with tinted windows looms over you.

I've seen on Google earth that they use ‘drag lines’ as the Border Patrol do. Freshly turned and groomed earth adjacent to a fence to pick up foot prints of any one trying to escape.

Lyle will probably take over and he's just as sadistic as Warren. Some say worse.

Re: Willie the Thug. He might be fooling a bunch of liberals in New York - or Oprah (The bed? Oh that's for the grounds keeper.) But he's not fooling me at all.

I'd believe him if he actually took the stand and testified against Warren Steed Jeffs. That didn't happen.

Now it's up to our wonderful Texas AG Greg Abbott and Gov. Perry to see if they really want to run them to ground.

50 posted on 08/05/2011 4:45:32 PM PDT by Pebcak
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