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Cleveland Mayor Vetoes Flash Mob Crackdown
WLWT ^ | 5 August 2011

Posted on 08/05/2011 7:25:53 PM PDT by FourPeas

CLEVELAND -- Cleveland's mayor has vetoed a measure that would have made it a crime to use social media to organize a flash mob.

City council members who introduced the measure say teens have used Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites to pull together flash mobs that are really only large gatherings of trouble makers, instead of the usual large crowds breaking into dance.

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[Mayor Frank] Jackson told council members that the ordinance passed by them was a concern because it could interfere with the rights of the city's law-abiding citizens.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: attackmobs; flashmobs; mobs
I'm sure the kind of person who organizes violent mobs would certainly be deterred by such a law.

How do such stupid people get elected into positions of authority?

1 posted on 08/05/2011 7:26:00 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas

Ohio ...


2 posted on 08/05/2011 7:27:20 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: FourPeas

I do wonder why so many Gringos think that they can just go to an inner city and be left alone...even in a tourist area.

It should be clear from articles like this one that the leaders of these cities could CARE LESS about the safety of us Gringos...so why are some of us STUPID enough to keep going there?


3 posted on 08/05/2011 7:29:10 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: FourPeas

The citizens of Cleveland who elected him will get what they deserve at the hands of this idiot.


4 posted on 08/05/2011 7:30:44 PM PDT by CedarDave (For Sarah Palin news and updates, place "Keyword: palin" into your FR sidebar)
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To: FourPeas

So if someone had a gun and fired at those people who were trying to pull them out of car would be classified by this mayor as - what - exactly???


5 posted on 08/05/2011 7:30:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: FourPeas
City council members who introduced the measure say teens have used Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites to pull together flash mobs that are really only large gatherings of trouble makers, instead of the usual large crowds breaking into dance.

It was inevitable that "Holder's People" would discover their own special use for it.
6 posted on 08/05/2011 7:31:05 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: FourPeas

Why should such a law be necessary? Existing laws on aggravated gang activity, or disturbing the peace could be interpreted to penalize this activity, and should be.


7 posted on 08/05/2011 7:31:39 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: FourPeas
I wonder how many out there in Freeperland would go into Cleveland or any majority black or liberal city unarmed.
I sure as hell wouldn't!
8 posted on 08/05/2011 7:31:50 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Thank you ...we already have laws for that kind of ‘organizing activity’ in the whole STATE...just enforce the law.

I happen to think the VETO was correct in this case.


9 posted on 08/05/2011 7:33:54 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: BobL

I don’t bother going to Philly anymore. Parking prices are horrendous, especially if the valet ransacks your car. There are plenty of places in the ‘burbs. If you want to go out and eat a good meal, or just hang out, there is a plethora of restaurants in King of Prussia, and Valley Forge Park to run, bicycle, or enjoy a simple picnic.


10 posted on 08/05/2011 7:36:30 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: FourPeas

I guess this brings out the “libertarian” in me. I like to see an authority disabuse himself of one more misguided ordinance meant to keep us all in line. In Cleveland no less. There is hope.


11 posted on 08/05/2011 7:37:25 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Exactly.


12 posted on 08/05/2011 7:39:59 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas

Flash mobbers all vote democrat.


13 posted on 08/05/2011 7:42:45 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: EBH
I happen to think the VETO was correct in this case.

Yeah, but watch what the Mayor and LEOs do next about this, if anything, under existing law.

14 posted on 08/05/2011 7:45:15 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SkyDancer

Sooner or later that is going to happen.


15 posted on 08/05/2011 7:46:37 PM PDT by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The need for laws that favor “Holder’s people”.


16 posted on 08/05/2011 7:53:06 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: A. Morgan

Also you carry a can of wasp spray. Two cans for a larger crowd. Still I bet you’d be the one arrested for assault since you’re white and they’re black. It’d be a hate crime.


17 posted on 08/05/2011 8:02:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: FourPeas
Better yet, outlaw the use of a spoken human language to organize a flash-mob.

That would show them!

18 posted on 08/05/2011 8:08:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: EBH
I happen to think the VETO was correct in this case.

I agree with you. The problem is that we have a bunch of leftist loons in positions of authority in our big cities. They will NOT enforce the existing laws on the books against the animalistic behavior of these loser, young degenerates--most of whom happen to be Democrats (read: blacks). What is the answer to stopping these wild animals? I shudder to think...

19 posted on 08/05/2011 8:08:54 PM PDT by WXRGina
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To: FourPeas

“A sum of money is a leading character in this tale about people, just as a sum of honey might properly be a leading character in a tale about bees.”


20 posted on 08/05/2011 8:10:06 PM PDT by logitech
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To: FourPeas

This guy related to Bonehead??


21 posted on 08/05/2011 8:12:41 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: FourPeas

“How do such stupid people get elected into positions of authority?”

Trying to figure THAT out since Nov. 2008;)


22 posted on 08/05/2011 8:13:29 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: doc1019

More good news from the crime blackhole/cesspool that is known as Cleveland.


23 posted on 08/05/2011 8:17:32 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: FourPeas

No matter how you try to slice it, to attempt to ban all flash mobs, even non-violent ones, would be a violation of the 1st Amendment’s guarantee of the right to peaceably assemble.


24 posted on 08/05/2011 8:24:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Frank_2001
People stopped voting, because they saw all the corruption, and just gave up.

It drives my blood pressure up to argue with members of the “silent majority” who proudly state they are “above politics” .
These same people avoid jury duty, because only idiots can't get out of it, in their twisted opinion.
These same people wonder why we have idiots in DC, Obama as POTUS, and no working system of justice.
But hey...they get to brag about how smart they were to get out of jury duty, and why nothing our government does is in any way ever their own fault.
Talk about an ignorant victim mentality!

25 posted on 08/05/2011 8:33:32 PM PDT by sarasmom ( A Fine is a Tax for doing wrong. A Tax is a Fine for doing well.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I used to shop in downtown Cleveland, ostensibly to help the economy ... spend locally and all that. However, since Obo got into office, I wouldn’t go downtown if my very life depended on it. Now, anything white is the enemy. After all a black president is in charge and therefore blacks are in charge of all they survey.

These idiots don’t realize that he is limit in his reign as President. The next president might be white or a black with a sense of responsibility for the American people as a whole.


26 posted on 08/05/2011 8:33:40 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: FourPeas

An invitation to flash-mobbers to take to the streets? Sheesh!


27 posted on 08/05/2011 8:45:22 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: BobL

Cleveland, Milwaukee, LA, Philly etc. etc. it is clear if your white stay out. You don’t have any friends there,not the police, not the mayor, not the city council, the Justice Department or the Presidency, you are not their people....you are the problem


28 posted on 08/05/2011 9:14:41 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (It’s not racism..... it’s probability, actuarial tables, statistics. Facts are stubborn things.)
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To: hatfieldmccoy

oops tag line fail let’s try again


29 posted on 08/05/2011 9:17:05 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (It’snot racism..... it’s probability, actuarial tables, statistics. Facts are stubborn things.)
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To: hatfieldmccoy

facepalm....


30 posted on 08/05/2011 9:19:14 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (It’s not racism..... it’s probability, actuarial tables, statistics. Facts are stubborn things.)
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To: FourPeas
And the mayor is an . . .

Independent?

Quaker?

Amish?

Real-life nephew of his Uncle Sam?

31 posted on 08/05/2011 9:33:39 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: hatfieldmccoy

“Cleveland, Milwaukee, LA, Philly etc. etc. it is clear if your white stay out. You don’t have any friends there,not the police, not the mayor, not the city council, the Justice Department or the Presidency, you are not their people....you are the problem”

Exactly. They want the white money (you know, go there for the ‘cosmopolitan atmosphere’ and all that jazz) yet they’re not willing to lift a finger to make it even somewhat safe.

Well, sorry, but if someone insists on having their show in a ‘downtown’ theater, they can kiss my beutress (as they say at the UN), I AIN’T going there.


32 posted on 08/05/2011 9:37:51 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: FourPeas
When the Superior, Technologically Advanced Alien Race shows up and they destroy the major Cities, do we celebrate?
33 posted on 08/05/2011 9:45:22 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Would you rather live in Obamaville or Palintown?)
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To: FourPeas

Just rename Cleveland “Holderville” and be done with it.


34 posted on 08/05/2011 9:47:16 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Would you rather live in Obamaville or Palintown?)
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To: FourPeas
City council members who introduced the measure say teens have used Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites to pull together flash mobs that are really only large gatherings of trouble makers, instead of the usual large crowds breaking into dance.

They could likely find most of those trouble makers by using a list of people receiving "free" phones.

35 posted on 08/05/2011 9:53:06 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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After this, If you stay in or visit Cleveland, you deserve what you get.


36 posted on 08/05/2011 10:04:56 PM PDT by Godwin1 (Curve stuff)
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To: Godwin1

Burn on, big river, burn on...


37 posted on 08/05/2011 10:06:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BobL
white young people are still under the illusion that all the world needs is love, love, love...

they'll learn.....

38 posted on 08/05/2011 10:11:54 PM PDT by cherry
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To: He Rides A White Horse

remember the mobs went to the King of Prussia mall and caused havoc....


39 posted on 08/05/2011 10:13:05 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Tupelo

To be quite frank, I do. We go to the Indians games, concerts and restaurants. We also frequent the many museums in Cleveland. I honestly don’t see many of the majority “black” that you are referring too. I know they are around, but I don’t feel unsafe.

Recently, I have felt slightly uneasy at large gatherings (for example. football stadium concerts) and have adjusted our entertainment accordingly.


40 posted on 08/06/2011 12:05:58 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1
Dittos - Indians, Browns, University Circle, West Side Market - I've never felt threatened at any of these venues.

Of course, I'm not hanging around Prospect Ave. at 2 AM. Just make sure you practice situational awareness in any urban area. I'll be damned if I let the fear of some random punk keep me from doing what I want to do and going where I want to go.

Use common sense and stay safe everybody.

41 posted on 08/06/2011 1:54:22 AM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: cherry
remember the mobs went to the King of Prussia mall and caused havoc....

Vaguely. I have never had a problem there, but then again, I rarely go there. I know that crime can erupt anywhere, but KOP is relatively safe. It's the people from Philly or Norristown shoplifting and being disorderly.

42 posted on 08/06/2011 4:36:35 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: All

I’m amazed by the majority of the replies.

First, this is a “feel good” law that does nothing but clutter the books on what’s legal and what’s illegal. *If* the thugs who organize a violent flashmob decide they care about this sort of law (and why would they care about something so ticky-tack if they’re willing to assault people?), they’ll simply use dubious language to call for the mob.

Second, it’s a free speech issue. We already have laws on the books to make illegal incitement to riot. *If* the current statues are insufficient to cover electronic means, modify them, don’t create a specific law for social media. This is the sort of law that turns up later in the same category as the Michigan law that made it illegal to tether an allegator to a fire hydrant.

Third, it’s a freedom of assembly issue. As above, there are already laws on the books to make assault, rioting, etc. illegal. Enforce the laws already on the books.

Fourth, the city council is engaging in more government for the sake of more government. The proposed law won’t solve any problems, or make anything illegal that isn’t already. All it does is grow government, something conservatives are supposed to deplore.

Fifth, the root of violent flashmobs isn’t in the law. It’s morality (or, more precisely, the lack thereof). This problem won’t be solved by writing more laws. Yes, laws need to be enforced and the public protected, but the city council should be about the task of removing road blocks to those organizations that teach/encourage/value morality that teaches young people that such behavior is unacceptable.

Sixth, city council members who can’t figure out the above are a disgrace to their city. Despite being a Democrat, it appears the mayor actually may understand some of the above. His ability to at least appear to “get it” should be encouraged.


43 posted on 08/06/2011 8:01:59 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: ADemocratNoMore

Ever been to the Flat Iron Cafe before a game and taken the bus over to the game. The pierogies are amazing.


44 posted on 08/06/2011 5:05:42 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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