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9 commanders for China's first aircraft carrier
Shanghai Daily.com ^ | 2011-8-6 | Yang Jian

Posted on 08/05/2011 9:06:43 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

9 commanders for China's first aircraft carrier

Created: 2011-8-6 1:26:17

Author:Yang Jian

NINE top Chinese naval captains are to take command of the country's first aircraft carrier in turns.

The vessel, which is near completion, will be used to train pilots and crews for future aircraft carriers.

The nine, of senior colonel or higher rank, are graduates of the country's first warship academy class in 1987 for aircraft carrier commanders, the International Herald Leader, a Beijing-based newspaper, reported yesterday.

The Varyag, a vessel bought from Ukraine in 1998 which is being fitted out at a shipyard in Dalian in northeast China's Liaoning Province, will mainly be a training platform rather than a combat warship, the newspaper said. It will be the No. 83 training vessel of the Dalian Navy Academy, according to the report.

Smoke could be seen from the chimney of the conventionally powered warship, while its radar and missile systems were also being adjusted, indicating the carrier's maiden voyage would be soon, the newspaper said.

Aircraft carriers and cruisers must be named after the country's provincial level names, destroyers and frigates must be named after large or medium size cities, while smaller vessels can be named after mountains or famous people, according to a Chinese Navy rule.

However, the carrier may also be named after famous Chinese people according to another stipulation for training vessels.

A naming ceremony would be held after the carrier's maiden voyage, the report said.

It is widely suggested that the carrier be named after Shi Lang, an admiral in the Qing Dynasty (1636-1912) who led a fleet to Taiwan Island in 1681, or Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China.

The carrier will mainly anchor at naval bases in Shandong Province, Zhoushan Archipelago in Zhejiang Province or Yalong Bay in Hainan Island which are big enough for an aircraft carrier fleet, a military expert told the newspaper.

Cao Weidong, a researcher with the PLA Navy's Academic Research Institute, said the Varyag was a medium-sized carrier that would be equipped with engines, radar and other equipment made in China.

The carrier will land about 30 Chinese J-15 fighters and have about 2,000 of a crew.

The J-15 fighter is similar to Russia's cutting-edge Sukhoi Su-33 and as competent as the US F-18E/F, also known as the Super Hornet, fighter aircraft, the report said.

China is building another two aircraft carriers at a shipyard in Shanghai, the Voice of Russia quoted Pavel Kamennov, an expert at the Far East Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, as saying.

Kamennov said China would build its first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and form an aircraft carrier group by 2020.

"China has been studying closely the experience of other countries in the aircraft carrier area, so it will undoubtedly acquire adequate experience," he told the radio station.

The Varyag was originally built by the former Soviet Union, which failed to complete the ship's construction before its collapse in 1991. Ukraine disarmed it and removed its engines before selling it to China.

When the refitting work is complete, China will then become the last of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council and the 10th country in the world that owns an aircraft carrier.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; china; navair; varyag

1 posted on 08/05/2011 9:06:45 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
It can only carry 30 aircraft?, seems a little on the low side to me. Doesn't it have an elevator with more planes below deck?
2 posted on 08/05/2011 9:13:21 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Chinese Fire Drill


3 posted on 08/05/2011 9:14:25 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Husker24
It can only carry 30 aircraft?, seems a little on the low side to me. Doesn't it have an elevator with more planes below deck?

Sounds more like pocket carrier than anything else.

4 posted on 08/05/2011 9:20:53 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: Husker24

She has two L’s and Lady Lex(Essex Class Training Carrier) was able to carry more planes than this into the 1990’s.


5 posted on 08/05/2011 9:23:12 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Posting on FR since 1998 and 100% teleprompter free post as well.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Chain of command must be a bitch.


6 posted on 08/05/2011 9:26:42 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: Husker24

The other 2 are/will be full sized.


7 posted on 08/05/2011 9:37:45 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Husker24
There are two issues with small carriers that go hand in hand. Deck size limits the number of aircraft you can have on deck during recoveries. That small number also limits your ability to simultaneously strike targets and defend your battle group.

The current big boats of the U.S. Navy have a normal compliment of approx. 90 aircraft with a majority of those on deck. That allows a U.S. boat to launch 25-30 aircraft on a regular launch and to run cyclic operations for 12 hours on a normal "we aren't working that hard" pace.

This little Chinese boat is going to have at most 20 aircraft on deck and most likely will have to pretty much shoot the whole deck and wait for it to recover, refuel and reload, before launching again. They will also pretty much be limited to a small strike with little or no CAP, or just air defense. They basically need 10 parked with an empty ramp to park recovering aircraft in while leaving the landing area clear. I don't think they will have the deck space to do what we do, recovering an aircraft every 35-45 seconds in the day time, and every 60 seconds at night.

8 posted on 08/05/2011 9:39:49 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: doc1019

Varyag being towed from Ukraine to China, passing through Istanbul (Constantinople)

9 posted on 08/05/2011 9:42:14 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

It’s look just screams “soviet”.


10 posted on 08/05/2011 9:58:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I think a good name for their new carrier would be. Sank So Sune.
11 posted on 08/05/2011 10:41:15 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: magslinger

ping


12 posted on 08/05/2011 10:56:08 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Secret Agent Man
It’s look just screams “soviet”.

Can't imagine why.

(hint: The Varyag, a vessel bought from Ukraine in 1998...)

13 posted on 08/05/2011 10:58:48 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: GeronL
It seems to be riding pretty high. Only 30 aircraft, POL and munitions, are going to settle it that far?

Doesn't even have a full complement of electronics. I wonder if what Clinton sold them is going to be enough.

14 posted on 08/05/2011 11:21:21 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: GeronL
Some more photos here.
15 posted on 08/06/2011 12:21:57 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: sukhoi-30mki

never saw this coming

they’re going to ramp up their blue water experience as fast as possible

then come out with 50-100 carrier groups

it’s china. that’s how they play


16 posted on 08/06/2011 12:30:44 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Husker24
It can only carry 30 aircraft?, seems a little on the low side to me. Doesn't it have an elevator with more planes below deck?

Other way round. Most nations operate an air wing size that can be completely struck down into the hanger. 30 is about right for a 67,000 ton ship. (A Nimitz hanger normally holds only 45)

17 posted on 08/06/2011 1:18:45 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: jonascord

That picture is from before it reached China, they’ve had years to fix it up


18 posted on 08/06/2011 1:31:40 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Greysard

bump


19 posted on 08/06/2011 1:32:42 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
When the refitting work is complete, China will then become the last of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council and the 10th country in the world that owns an aircraft carrier.

No, it will become the "last of the five TO OWN an aircraft carrier".

20 posted on 08/06/2011 1:41:21 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: MARTIAL MONK; sukhoi-30mki

>>> Chinese Fire Drill

No more so then the driver’s education class sharing one car. They’re just here to learn before taking command of new carriers of their own. Same goes for the carrier’s pilots. These early classes will soon be commanding squadrons.

This is a school. Not a warship.


21 posted on 08/06/2011 2:35:15 AM PDT by tlb
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To: sten
"then come out with 50-100 carrier groups"

That depends upon whether the Chinese consider the Pacific Ocean their back door or their front door.

China is building an expansionist posture. They need room for their people, and all manner of raw materials for their industry.

My opinion is that the Pacific is their back door which they will defend. Their front door leads to Russia and India.

Vladi Putin had better watch out.

22 posted on 08/06/2011 4:21:48 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: jonascord
That's the empty shell being towed from the Black Sea when they bought it. It's been enhanced since then (including phased array 3-D radar)


23 posted on 08/06/2011 8:04:36 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Oztrich Boy

***That’s the empty shell being towed from the Black Sea when they bought it. It’s been enhanced since then (including phased array 3-D radar)***

If ChiCom trends are any indication, my wild arsed guess has to be this: Watch it grow, “exponentially”, and “numerically”, just as they did these itty bitty teeny weeny http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/08/china-builds-warships/ speedboats//.

My speculation: They just ordered some 89 or so Officer/skippers along with a number of thousand of sailors aboard the Shi-Lang and that can mean only one thing: they expect boats like this to be in the high double digits and likely fast paced...

I foresee a fleet of between 48 to maybe 60 of these expendable, cheap to produce, cutting edge technology boats in with the next ten years,


24 posted on 08/07/2011 12:40:08 PM PDT by EdisonOne (http://www.channel4.com/dia/images/Channel4/c4-news/MAY/04/04_helicopter_r_k.jpg)
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25 posted on 08/07/2011 10:00:47 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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