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S&P statement on lowering US long-term debt to AA+
Guardian ^ | 08/06/11 | Standard & Poor's

Posted on 08/05/2011 9:28:50 PM PDT by freespirited

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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Ok, I'll geek. How do you figure making US bonds worth less will raise their rates?
21 posted on 08/05/2011 11:27:40 PM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: worst-case scenario
They had no intention to raise enough revenue to balance the budge or make a dent in the debt.

It was just to satisfy the Democratic base.

22 posted on 08/05/2011 11:34:04 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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The House, under Boehner, passed a plan with bipartisan support that would have averted this downgrade, with $4T in cuts, and on put us on the right path: "Cut, Cap & Balance" (HR 2560).

What did Obama & the obstructionist Senate say?

Harry Reid: "Over, Done, Dead"

White House: "Duck, Dodge and Dismantle."

23 posted on 08/06/2011 12:02:36 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Get behind ONE "Balanced Budget Amendment" (BBA))
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To: worst-case scenario
They are essentially blaming the GOP for not letting “revenues” be raised - tax hikes and elimination of tax breaks!

Take the people who provide the revenue down first - then the government will crash instead of slide into oblivion...

24 posted on 08/06/2011 4:57:51 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Ophiucus
RE: How do you figure making US bonds worth less will raise their rates?

OK, it seems to me that a lower rating that suggests even a slightly higher risk will require a higher return to match the increased risk. I am no expert but it seems to me that a bond worth less results in a higher return.

Let me ask you and all others reading this a question.

Moody’s, S&P Caved In to Ratings Pressure From Goldman, UBS Over Mortgages

Is S&P too big to be held liable? No one cares that it appears there is proof that S&P was one of the “key enablers of the financial meltdown” that led to this mess?

No one cares that S&P could well be the Arthur Andersen of the bond ratings industry?

Personally their holier-than-thou attitude is wholly annoying!

25 posted on 08/06/2011 6:21:48 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Obama wanted to bring this fight over wealth transfer to an international crisis and that is why he threatened to default on the US debt if he did not get his tax increases.

The limo liberal bankster community agree with Obama and are using the political show down to prop up his demand for heavy taxation. They wanted socialized medicine, too, so corporations would not be saddled with this employee benefit. They want heavy income taxes on the middle class to pay for it and the debt.

I think this is an internationalist political battle against the people of the US because we continue to defeat their efforts. For example, we rejected their global warming scam and their self-serving solution - UN taxation (carbon trading) and their new carbon commodies “market.” We won’t buckle under the international court. We bristle at them using our military as they choose. We won’t accept open borders and shira. We created a political backslash when they dipped into the Treasury and Fed for their own profit.

This is economic punishment against Americans for disobeying their internationalist superiors and being uppity Americans. If you don’t want your economy to crash, do what we say politically.


26 posted on 08/06/2011 7:48:36 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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I think you have some excellent points. Even without an all-powerful cabal there are enough one-world advocates who will use their “bankster community,” international and U.S. government influence to, as the 1960s radicals (spoiled brats) used to say, “Bring it all down, man.”


27 posted on 08/06/2011 8:03:08 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: aflaak

Ping


28 posted on 08/06/2011 9:31:10 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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On the other hand, they mention new revenues three times in a favorable light.

I know they mean "revenues" as a synonym for raising taxes. But, given the long historical evidence that revenues change as a result of the status of the economy, and not as a result of tax rate changes--wouldn't "raise revenues" properly mean "improve the economy"?

29 posted on 08/06/2011 9:48:08 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Thanks, William.

No doubt the “sixties” radicals are in power now - in government, nonprofits and business and globally. What unites them is a Marxist utopian belief structure and a sense of superiority that always accompanies megalomaniacs. We have been watching them operate and resisting them for a long time. They arrived.

30 posted on 08/06/2011 11:36:56 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
OK, it seems to me that a lower rating that suggests even a slightly higher risk will require a higher return to match the increased risk.

Not really, the two don't have a correlation like that. A bond that is worth less is simply worth less and will take a harder sell to get someone to buy it. People will gamble one high risk stocks for a chance at a higher return but there's no guarantee, the return may be lower or negative.

I don't see a plot from great banking bogeymen, but a serious symptom of failed socialist policies here and abroad.

31 posted on 08/13/2011 12:56:13 AM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: freespirited

So Standard and Poor’s is now in the business of legislating the USA? I think not.


32 posted on 08/13/2011 1:02:14 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: newzjunkey

I think nothing would have averted the downgrade... the “crisis” was in the works by those who planned it.


33 posted on 08/13/2011 1:03:50 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: exDemMom

I believe you are correct. Unfortunately there are many who believe revenue equals taxes alone.


34 posted on 08/13/2011 1:05:30 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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