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WARREN JEFFS TRIAL: State shows bed photos; Jeffs leaves court during testimony
The San Angelo Standard Times ^ | August 5, 2011 | Matthew Waller

Posted on 08/06/2011 7:48:37 AM PDT by MizSterious

WARREN JEFFS TRIAL: State shows bed photos; Jeffs leaves court during testimony

Jeffs leaves court during testimony

* By Matthew Waller
* San Angelo Standard Times
* Posted August 5, 2011 at 4:06 p.m., updated August 5, 2011 at 9:56 p.m.

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Warren Jeffs didn't want to be in the courtroom when the state presented evidence against him for the sentencing phase of his trial.

His former lead attorney returned to represent him while Jeffs was voluntarily absent.

So Jeffs, the leader and "prophet" of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, didn't see the pictures of the temple beds.

Friday afternoon the state revealed pictures of beds in the temple building at the Yearning for Zion Ranch, the 1,700-acre property in Schleicher County raided in April 2008 amid allegations that sexual abuse of children was taking place.

A former FLDS member, Rebecca Musser, testified for the prosecution Friday that she had received training before the temple was built about how beds in it would be used for sexual matters. She said what she had been taught about the presence of witnesses and someone to record the events matched what she saw at the temple outside San Angelo.

"We would learn the best ways to conceive children," Musser said about what she was taught was to happen at the temple.

(Excerpt) Read more at gosanangelo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: flds; mormon; rape; warrenjeffs
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I wish I could post the entire article, because there are a lot of details about what this monster did. And probably still does via his phone from his jail cell. People should know what this cult truly is--a sex slave cult for the "prophet." (Profit?)
1 posted on 08/06/2011 7:48:40 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious

Bring ‘em young.


2 posted on 08/06/2011 7:50:10 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...
Warren Jeffs trial pinglist--if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail!

From the article posted above:

She said she was a spiritual wife of Jeffs' father, Rulon Jeffs, and when he died in 2002, Jeffs wanted to marry her along with other women who had been "married" to Jeff's father.

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"I will break you and I will train you to be a good wife," Musser said Jeffs had told her, and then said he would marry her in a week. She left the FLDS before that happened.


And so goes the "wholesome, happy life" at the fLDS.

3 posted on 08/06/2011 7:54:04 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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4 posted on 08/06/2011 7:56:55 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: MizSterious

This predator must be stopped.


5 posted on 08/06/2011 7:57:07 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MizSterious
There is nothing wrong with jeffs that I could not fix with some rusty garden shears and a six foot length of rope.
6 posted on 08/06/2011 8:05:15 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: MizSterious; All

The first time I met a large group of polygamists at once was at a company picnic for my boyfriends father’s company. They were all from different groups and some were independents (no prophet affiliation).

What struck me is the men would never talk to me, so I had to relay questions through my boyfriend, and the women would not respond to a question I asked unless her husband gave his approval. Even then the women were very closed mouthed, very controlled, very broken. They were the saddest people I have ever seen. One woman said in a conversation, “This is the only way to get to the Celestial Kingdom, so I do what I am told”.

Now I have seen this kind of control and abuse in the Mainstream Mormon church, but not quite to this degree.


7 posted on 08/06/2011 8:07:57 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious
"I will break you and I will train you to be a good wife," Rebecca Musser said Jeffs had told her, and then said he would marry her in a week. She left the FLDS before that happened.

Just wondering how she was able to escape.

8 posted on 08/06/2011 8:12:22 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“Warren Jeffs didn’t want to be in the courtroom when the state presented evidence against him for the sentencing phase of his trial.”

This disaster of a human being can add cowardice to his long list of flaws. Abject, despicable monster whose behavior only proves the existence of Satan, not the nonexistence of God.


9 posted on 08/06/2011 8:13:48 AM PDT by Spok (A free man wants to be neither slave nor master.)
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To: reaganaut
One woman said in a conversation, “This is the only way to get to the Celestial Kingdom, so I do what I am told”.

They must have no innate sense of right and wrong if they give their children away to be sexually abused.

10 posted on 08/06/2011 8:17:12 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: reaganaut

That’s simply appalling. And prior to the first raid in Texas, totally alien to me. I just cannot even comprehend having to live as these sister wives do. The women who escape have literally nightmarish stories to tell, and in many cases, for them it was “life as usual.” (sadly shaking head)


11 posted on 08/06/2011 8:21:42 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

What is disturbing is they don’t see it as abuse at all. They are constantly told to do what the “priesthood” says and to never ever question the “Prophet” or what he tells them.

As I said on an earlier thread, most of the women see it as a ‘blessing’ that their child was chosen to be the wife of a prophet, a sure sign that they are going to Heaven.

I have heard one woman say “if Heavenly Father didn’t want us to get married so early, then he wouldn’t have let us have babies at that age”.

These women are products of constant brainwashing. That said, they should still be held legally responsible for their actions.


12 posted on 08/06/2011 8:25:12 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

If a woman is sealed to a man and he dies, and she marries his son(Jeffs) then who gets her in Heaven? This is all too creepy for me.


13 posted on 08/06/2011 8:31:00 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: reaganaut
As I said on an earlier thread, most of the women see it as a ‘blessing’ that their child was chosen to be the wife of a prophet, a sure sign that they are going to Heaven. I have heard one woman say “if Heavenly Father didn’t want us to get married so early, then he wouldn’t have let us have babies at that age”.

Has Hollywood ever made a movie about this situation? If not, I'm wondering who looks enough like warren jeffs to portray him...

14 posted on 08/06/2011 8:34:13 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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They're in South Dakota, too:

Jeffs' Compound Appears Unaffected By His Trial
By Perry Groten
Published: August 5, 2011, 5:55 PM

CUSTER, SD - The sentencing phase for religious cult leader Warren Jeffs got underway Friday in a Texas courtroom. A jury on Thursday found Jeffs guilty of sexually assaulting two girls, ages 12 and 15, whom he took as brides in so-called "spiritual marriages."

Warren Jeffs' legal troubles haven't loosened his ties to South Dakota.

Jeffs is the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which, for the past six years, has run a compound in a remote area in Custer County, near Pringle. It's a spiritual settlement that keeps growing, even with Jeffs facing prison time.

The compound, with religious ties to Warren Jeffs, is leaving an ever-growing footprint in the foothills of Custer County. The church members who live here keep adding new buildings to their secluded site. The latest addition, according to Custer County Sheriff Rick Wheeler, is a dairy barn and other out-buildings. Members have also been required to build a private access road as part of the permitting process.

Excerpted, read the rest here.

15 posted on 08/06/2011 8:36:10 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; MizSterious

Just wondering how she was able to escape.

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There is an underground railroad of sorts for these women. Several who have left (or been ex’d) are still in contact with a few of the women. There is at least one woman who stays out of fear but helps others escape.

There are safe-houses in several states as well.

However, it is really hard for a woman to get their hands on a vehicle (if they can drive at all only a few of the older ones can) and even harder to leave with their children.

Most sneak out in the middle of the night, at risk of their lives, to a meeting area where they are picked up then delivered to a safe house.


16 posted on 08/06/2011 8:37:01 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

If a woman is sealed to a man and he dies, and she marries his son(Jeffs) then who gets her in Heaven? This is all too creepy for me.

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Usually the first husband (unless he is excommunicated) is married for eternity, the second marriages are ‘for time only’. But that may vary from group to group, I’m not 100% sure.


17 posted on 08/06/2011 8:39:24 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

They just signed up to do a movie based on “Under the Banner of Heaven” which will cover polygamy and blood atonement.

I have also heard that they have (or will) do a movie based on “Wife no. 19”.


18 posted on 08/06/2011 8:41:02 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

I believe this is the new ‘re-education’ camp. People in the know are very concerned about this compound because there is no information coming out about it through the members.

I know when the first got there, the sheriff parked his RV across from the entrance to keep an eye on them.


19 posted on 08/06/2011 8:42:41 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Bottom line....God says there are no marriages in heaven. So all their twisting and turning will be for nothing....IF they even make it to heaven.


20 posted on 08/06/2011 8:43:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

.God says there are no marriages in heaven

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And they twist that verse (so do Mormons btw) to fit their theology.

The verse says “no taking and giving in marriage”, so they (and the LDS) respond with “that is why it has to be done here on earth”.

They don’t see it as no marriage, they claim it means no marriages performed.


21 posted on 08/06/2011 8:47:09 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Thanks - then the reason for marrying her is just to help with her support?


22 posted on 08/06/2011 8:50:45 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: reaganaut

Wife #19—if that is the Lifetime Channel movie I think it is, it’s pap. Pure sugarcoating. It shows SOME of the problems, but most are just glossed over.


23 posted on 08/06/2011 8:53:47 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: reaganaut

Wow.....and so it does go. So many structure the text for what it doesn’t say rather than actually read the context and learn.....course most are spoon fed anyone I suspect.
What a mess. Hard to imagine these woman have found any contentment in their life but some seem to have done just that. But then abused woman generally are willing to settle for any bit of pleasure or signs of hope until the next happening...and that can play out for years.


24 posted on 08/06/2011 8:57:25 AM PDT by caww
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

James Woods comes to mind....


25 posted on 08/06/2011 9:01:04 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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Carolyn Jessop's memoir Escape will be adapted for the big screen, with Katherine Heigl attached to star and produce, Variety reports.

Jessop, whose testimony helped convict polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs, "was born into the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints sect.

At 18 she married a man 32 years her senior; at 35, she fled with her eight children."

26 posted on 08/06/2011 9:06:07 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

HARRY REID


27 posted on 08/06/2011 9:06:22 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: caww

Most of the attention, and rightfully so, is focused on the young girls who are being brainwashed into sexual slaves for the old male ‘leaders’. We should ask what happens to the ‘maternal’ instincts in these women as they mature and watch their daughters raped and their sons banished from the communities?

These communes are cults of destruction for both male and female children and all of the adults - men & women should be taken into custody and the children rescued.


28 posted on 08/06/2011 9:10:04 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: caww
These people do not believe in the same Heaven as we.

In their sick religion, each male will become a GOD and rule his own planet/world (wherever), and take all the wives they want with them, that is what they mean by the womans celestial heaven.

This is a very sick CULT, based on what they believe about the afterlife and how they treat their women, it is no wonder they attract so many men to their CULT. Hugh Hefner should be very jealous.

I have often wanted to ask one of these STUPID brainwashed women, "What's in it for you?", "Sex slave on earth and Sex slave when you get to that PIG mans of yours celestial heaven?", yeah, that be something alright, NOT.

I see not much differance between the FLDS or the LDS and they Muslims.

29 posted on 08/06/2011 9:15:00 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: sodpoodle
men & women should be taken into custody and the children rescued.

Not going to happen....they returned them to the mothers before....400 children to be placed otherwise is not an easy task for any agency. They won't arrest the woman...maybe fine them for abusing the welfare system...but they have attorneys to fight that.

Clearly this whole group has now and had no problem living off the backs of the American taxpayer.....and then they gave scads of money to Jeff-o so he could live high off the hog....literally. The children are simply their mealticket.......or shall we say trafficing from the womb to the money table?

Unfortunately the kids of course are innocent....very sad for them....like those in Afghanistan...it does seem.

30 posted on 08/06/2011 9:17:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: sodpoodle
men & women should be taken into custody and the children rescued.

Not going to happen....they returned them to the mothers before....400 children to be placed otherwise is not an easy task for any agency. They won't arrest the woman...maybe fine them for abusing the welfare system...but they have attorneys to fight that.

Clearly this whole group has now and had no problem living off the backs of the American taxpayer.....and then they gave scads of money to Jeff-o so he could live high off the hog....literally. The children are simply their mealticket.......or shall we say trafficing from the womb to the money table?

Unfortunately the kids of course are innocent....very sad for them....like those in Afghanistan...it does seem.

31 posted on 08/06/2011 9:17:17 AM PDT by caww
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Who could play Jeffs in a movie?

Maybe Steve Bescemi, that fantastic actor from 'Boardwalk Empire'

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Or Christopher Walken Image and video hosting by TinyPic

They both have that 'creepy factor' going on

32 posted on 08/06/2011 9:19:04 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: MizSterious
--a sex slave cult for the "prophet." (Profit?)

Yep! Child trafficking and Jeffs the head pimp.

33 posted on 08/06/2011 9:19:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: annieokie

LOL Harry Reid was the man who popped into my mind also.


34 posted on 08/06/2011 9:21:09 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: annieokie

These are choices these woman made somewhere along the line. But from what I understand of abused woman they have little understanding of what choice actually is. They generally know only apppeasement to keep the peace as long as possible.

Additionally woman have a need for a sense of security in these cults.....coupled with their indoctrinations it’s a win win for the men...at least the older men. Actuallly it’s no surprise the young men are kicked out of the camp...I think the old ladies and the old men are the controllers. Everybody else is simply the grunts to feather their beds with. Typical of cults.


35 posted on 08/06/2011 9:27:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: MizSterious

We have to keep in mind that polygamy remains a tenet of the mainline LDS denominations ..it was simply “suspended “ so that Utah could become a US state...

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both had teen age wives in their harems. Sex is the heart of that religion


36 posted on 08/06/2011 9:30:41 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: patriot08

Look enough alike to be twins, maybe they are, same Cult religion.


37 posted on 08/06/2011 9:36:23 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Thanks - then the reason for marrying her is just to help with her support?

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Not at all. The men never help with support, that is what ‘bleeding the beast’ is for (welfare, food stamps, etc). Also the men get the money from whatever enterprises the women run, because they own it, women cannot own property in most of these groups.

The marriages for ‘time’ are because the women are property and designed to keep them in line. The threat of reassigning wives is to keep the men in line. It is all about control.

The attitude is described perfectly in this quote by early Mormon apostle Heber C. Kimball (counselor to B. Young). “I think no more of taking [another] wife than I do of buying a cow.”


38 posted on 08/06/2011 9:46:06 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Eloit Spitzer comes to mind.


39 posted on 08/06/2011 9:46:37 AM PDT by TEXAS1947 ( It sure is getting hot in Texas)
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To: MizSterious

Probably is. I never saw it. I did read the book though, it made some good points but the whole gay storyline was trash.


40 posted on 08/06/2011 9:46:59 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: caww

then abused woman generally are willing to settle for any bit of pleasure or signs of hope until the next happening...and that can play out for years.

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They believe they are happy because they are told they are happy. To these women (and LDS women in general) being the least bit unhappy is a very grave sin and ‘proof’ that you are not ‘living the gospel’. So, they convince themselves they are happy and content. They are also very brainwashed to fear the outside world, told lies about it and lies about what will happen to them if they leave.


41 posted on 08/06/2011 9:50:56 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: caww
""""Additionally woman have a need for a sense of security in these cults....."""""

You are so right about this.

I recently got to know a 2nd cousin, through my own genealogy work. She was raised a Baptist and has now become a Mormon,(I am not a LDS CULT member, ok)

In asking about her mother and grandmother. She then showed me a picture of her mother, sitting very close to her girlfriend. I let is pass, without saying anything.

A little later she told me her mother and that friend were more than close and the community accepted it. I said, "Are you telling me she was a lesbian?", she shook her head yes.

Her mother's raised her, very nice woman, but seems to be very confused. I think as she was growing up in that home, it must have been very hard for her to figure out how her mother's lifestyle and the Baptist teachings made any sense, and I'm sure the community was talking about this. She was probably ridiculed in school as well.

In searching for something to make any sense, the LDS came to the rescue and took her in. The LDS only seek very weak minded people.

Saw this happen to another woman when her husband died. She too joined the LDS cult, she told my mom, "they were the only ones to come to me"

Instead of reaching out herself to find spiritual help, she opened her door to LDS fraud, with no effort on her part. These people are mostly just lazy.

42 posted on 08/06/2011 9:52:04 AM PDT by annieokie
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I see not much differance between the FLDS or the LDS and they Muslims.

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Praise God! You ‘get it’. I get so tired of people on FR who don’t and think this is part of the LDS past.

The doctrines haven’t changed, just the practice is limited and then only to a degree.


43 posted on 08/06/2011 9:58:01 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

And Praise the Lord for you, as I read your TAG LINE. That is praiseworthy.


44 posted on 08/06/2011 10:03:51 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: reaganaut

Seems to me they’re pretty much all on the same page....maybe one abuses more than the other is all. But they all are surely messed up with cultish thinking at every level.


45 posted on 08/06/2011 10:04:32 AM PDT by caww
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To: annieokie
The LDS only seek very weak minded people.

I'm not sure I buy that entirely....I think they also shoose those with big pocketbooks and then funnel them thru rank and file rather quickly, perhaps bypassing some of the darker side of LDS which might discourage them. Scientology does this as do other cults...they cater to the elite types as a means of getting to their purses.

46 posted on 08/06/2011 10:07:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: reaganaut
Ever think that the Muslims will use the only religious cult so closely aligned with their thinking to gain more access to our system and make the necessary changes?

I believe with all the Mormons in this government now, the muslims have a better chance than they ever had, through their brotherhood thinking being much the same as the LDS.

47 posted on 08/06/2011 10:10:33 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: caww

make that weak minded women and we have a deal.


48 posted on 08/06/2011 10:12:15 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: annieokie

agreed!


49 posted on 08/06/2011 10:14:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: annieokie

It does seem the woman are the first to be baited into LDS. Glen Beck comes to mind as his wife began their venture into darkness. She couldn’t handle Becks issues so sought out something else to stabilize herself to endure. You can be certain the enemy of mens souls always waits on the sidelines for that moment to snatch an individual at their weakest.....becuase it works.


50 posted on 08/06/2011 10:18:07 AM PDT by caww
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