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Hiroshima 6 August 1945
brucelewis.com ^ | August 6, 2011 | Bruce Lewis

Posted on 08/06/2011 4:13:19 PM PDT by Shalmaneser

“After Biak the enemy withdrew to deep caverns.
Rooting them out became a bloody business which reached its
ultimate horrors in the last months of the war.
You think of the lives which would have been lost in an invasion of Japan’s home islands
– a staggering number of Americans but millions more of Japanese..."

(Excerpt) Read more at brucelewis.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: atomic; hiroshima; ww2; wwii
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1 posted on 08/06/2011 4:13:22 PM PDT by Shalmaneser
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To: Shalmaneser
Welcome to FR

"You think of the lives which would have been lost in an invasion of Japan’s home islands – a staggering number of Americans but millions more of Japanese..."

That about sums it up.The one thing worse than dropping the bomb would have been not dropping it.

2 posted on 08/06/2011 4:18:16 PM PDT by mitch5501 (My guitar wants to kill your momma!)
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To: Shalmaneser

Anyone who thinks dropping the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes are fools. While usage of such terrible weapons were horrible they were necessary. The Japanese militarists would have sacrificed untold millions of their own people in furtherance of their war aims. The numbers of US dead would have been equally catastrophic.


3 posted on 08/06/2011 4:19:00 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: Shalmaneser

wow, i’ve never seen that photo.

The flash was so intense it burned shadows onto the surfaces they fell on.

The hands on clock faces were welded frozen.


4 posted on 08/06/2011 4:20:13 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Shalmaneser

Hiroshima, we did it once, we can do it again.


5 posted on 08/06/2011 4:21:43 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Shalmaneser

Japan’s Longest Day: there was an actual firefight on the grounds of the Imperial Palance, in an effort to head-off a broadcast of the Emperor’s Voice announcing the end of the war.

Some Japanese planes did attack US ones even after the surrender.

Were it not for the broadcast they SURELY would have fought on. The surrender had much more to do with RUSSIA than the atomic bombs —the Japanese knew the Russians would never agree to permitting the Emperor system to remain in place.


6 posted on 08/06/2011 4:23:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Shalmaneser

Moral of the story: Don’t start a war with the United States, especially with a surprise attack. My late father was one of the millions of soldiers, sailors and Marines almost certainly saved by those two explosions. He was on Okinawa, ready to take part in the attack on the main islands of Japan. Today, we’d probably apologize to a country that attacked us.


7 posted on 08/06/2011 4:24:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: Shalmaneser

Don’t forget this classic 1980s song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zIA_bmXUM&feature=related


9 posted on 08/06/2011 4:30:45 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Today, we’d probably apologize to a country that attacked us.

We apologize to Muzzies everyday.

10 posted on 08/06/2011 4:31:45 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: KantianBurke

There are many of us who would not be here if Japan had been invaded. Thank your lucky stars we had leadership at the time smart enough to understand.


11 posted on 08/06/2011 4:32:56 PM PDT by tiger63
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To: KantianBurke

Anyone that says that likely had a grandfather that would have been in the first or second wave of a mainland invasion.

One fanatical Japanese solider could have wipe them from the timeline.


12 posted on 08/06/2011 4:33:01 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: gaijin
<<>> I remember when Japanese soldiers were found on islands in the early '50s. The last one surrendered in 1974 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout
13 posted on 08/06/2011 4:33:27 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: KantianBurke
The liberals have been actively trying to re-write the history of World War II trying to make the Allies the war criminals. They use the bombings of Germany, and the two nukes as "War Crimes".

For anyone with half a brain watch "World at War" it was made in the 70s and shows Nazis shooting civilians at random. 20 million Russians murdered. Bataan Death March anyone? Rape of Nanking?

Read the tagline folks, liberalism is a mental disorder!!!

14 posted on 08/06/2011 4:35:09 PM PDT by Dengar01 ("Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" - Dr. Michael Savage)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My dad was in basic training when the bomb was dropped. I never knew that until his funeral, when my brother introduced me to a man who was in basic training with him. He told me that they were training to invade Japan. Instead, they both went to post-war Germany.

Every time I think about it, I thank God President Truman made the decision that he made. I doubt that I'd be here if he had not.

15 posted on 08/06/2011 4:36:08 PM PDT by susannah59
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To: Roccus; gaijin

Let me try that again

“Some Japanese planes did attack US ones even after the surrender.”

I remember when Japanese soldiers were found on islands in the early ‘50s. The last one surrendered in 1974

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout


16 posted on 08/06/2011 4:37:22 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: KantianBurke
Anyone who thinks dropping the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes are fools.

Here's a few "fools" who thought it was a mistake or worse:

Douglass MacArthur

Dwight Eisenhour

Curtis LeMay

Admiral Leahy

Chester Nimitz

"Bull" Halsey

Admiral Byrd

Admiral Strauss

Gen. Claire Chennault

Hap Arnold

General George Kenney

Averill Harriman

Herbert Hoover

Also, virtually all conservatives before the neocon takeover in the 80's. Bunch of lefties!!!!! /sarc

17 posted on 08/06/2011 4:38:55 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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To: gaijin

Russia continued to fight and conquer Japanese forces
even after the surrender.


18 posted on 08/06/2011 4:39:10 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we didn’t drop this bomb, I would probably never had been born. My dad ran General Douglas MacArthurs bar in Tokyo, rather than being killed on Japans beaches in 1946.

Many do not know if this is good or bad, me being born, that is. lol

My dad had the best job in the service, he has always contended. He has always been real happy with the whole bombing thing.


19 posted on 08/06/2011 4:41:31 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: SevenofNine

You want no more Hiroshimas? Ok then, no more Pearl Harbors. Back back is a bitch, ain’t it?


20 posted on 08/06/2011 4:42:40 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: susannah59

My dad was on Okinawa waiting to deploy for the invasion. He was on an LSM (Landing Ship Medium). Their job was to ferry troops to the beach. Life expectancy? Very brief. Except for Truman’s decision, like you I might not be around today.


21 posted on 08/06/2011 4:43:39 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Can you please give us your source for this? Thanks.


22 posted on 08/06/2011 4:45:52 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: Shalmaneser

Should be AFGANASTAN 2011!


23 posted on 08/06/2011 4:49:47 PM PDT by jaz.357 (Rush Limbaugh, "Once upon an America")
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To: Forgotten Amendments
Some of the individuals you named may have expressed reservations, but I don't think one of them was inexorably and adamantly opposed to Hiroshima. I cannot even think of any reason that Curtis LeMay was on that list. His reaction to Hiroshima was mild contempt, remarking that his boys killed that many before breakfast. The others may have had self interest. In the case of MacAuthur, particularly, for instance, the only unit in the Pacific that did not report to him was the 509th Composite Bombardment Group and he was unaware of its mission and only found out about it after the fact. The only orders he received relative to Hiroshima was *not* to make a (Goddamnn) press release that would embarrass the Army and the United States.

If you are going to make scattershot representations on behalf of the dead, it behooves you to cite a little more evidence than a list of names. Even isolated statements taken out of context are better than merely assigning an opinion you favor to a respected historical figure.

24 posted on 08/06/2011 4:52:51 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Shalmaneser
Through the pursuit of economic war Japan has thoroughly recovered - though often at our expense.

Hiroshima today - contrast this with most American cities.


25 posted on 08/06/2011 4:57:14 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: susannah59

My dad was in the Navy on the USS Saratoga. He told me they were preparing them to invade Japan and that a high percentage would not be coming home. Then the bomb dropped, Japan surrendered and the USS Saratoga became troop transport.

War is hell. If we go to war, we go in to win at all costs and as quickly as possible.


27 posted on 08/06/2011 5:03:49 PM PDT by liege (Proud Hobbit with no intention of going back to Middle Earth.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
You might be interested in what the ADL has to say about the IHR.
29 posted on 08/06/2011 5:13:30 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: mitch5501

“You think of the lives which would have been lost in an invasion of Japan’s home islands – a staggering number of Americans but millions more of Japanese...”

That about sums it up.The one thing worse than dropping the bomb would have been not dropping it.”

Agreed 100%


31 posted on 08/06/2011 5:22:25 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
My Dad was a lead bombardier in the 8th Air Force halfway through his tour when the war in Europe ended. He was in training in B-29s and they DID NOT want to fight the Japanese (they kamikazied lead planes and dropped phosphorus on them). Like others here, I always bought the "It saved a million GI's and Japanese too!" line and thought I owed my life to the bomb. But I'm afraid that is Truman revisionism and meant to make us all feel swell about "The Good War".

Once again, you've stated your opinion as fact with no supporting evidence or logic.

Try adding in the evidence/logic and your opinion might be given some respect, until then, it is so much hogwash.
32 posted on 08/06/2011 5:23:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My dad was also on Okinawa with the 319th BG already flying missions over Japan and this was following a full tour in the ETO. The loss and extreme suffering experienced by Soldiers and Marines against the fanatical Japanese convinced them all that invading Japan would have been a nightmare of death. When I was an enlisted Marine I had the chance to talk with some of the Marines who fought their way across Guadalcanal, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and on other islands and they all were convinced that the bombs ended the war and saved a large part of their generation.

Fewer were killed with the two bombs than in the Rape of Nanking or in the firebombings of Japanese cities. Which is worse, the low-ball estimated loss of a million+ on both sides or the few hundred thousand lost in the bombings?

They were warned by the planner of the Pearl Harbor attack that it was a mistake to attack the U.S. but they didn’t listen and they suffered the consequences.


33 posted on 08/06/2011 5:24:32 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Fresh Wind

Thanks!!!!!!!!

Definitely not a fan of the ADL, but if I quoted a sleazy or bogus site, please don’t hold it against me. Thanks for the heads up!


34 posted on 08/06/2011 5:28:37 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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36 posted on 08/06/2011 5:41:23 PM PDT by RedMDer (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: Fresh Wind
"On August 6, 1945, the world dramatically entered the atomic age: without either warning or precedent, an American plane dropped a single nuclear bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima."

Fresh Wind (#29), in the link that Forgotten Amendments (#26) provided, this first sentence contains utter and absolute LIES. First, the United States dropped leaflets on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki days before the A-bombs, warning the residents of bombs that would destroy their cities. Second, the precedent of Curtis LeMay's firebombing raids on many Japanese cities was proof that the U.S. could and would destroy a city. As a result, this site is simply untrustworthy without spending a lot more time wading through to separate any facts from lies, sophistry, and half-truths.

I also would also be cautious about trusting any sites provide by the person who talks about "Truman revisionism."

37 posted on 08/06/2011 5:44:46 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Forgotten Amendments

***Douglass MacArthur

Dwight Eisenhour

Curtis LeMay****

They might have had a different opinion if they knew THEY were going to be in the first landing craft to hit Japan’s shores.

My dad served with Patton in Europe. He almost got Patton’s war with the Russians started.

He was sent back to the US to train for the invasion of Japan.


38 posted on 08/06/2011 5:53:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: mitch5501

When Germany became toast, Japan was immediately charcoal.


39 posted on 08/06/2011 5:54:27 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My grandfather was there. On the Hancock. It’s been great going through his war journal during the last days of the war.


40 posted on 08/06/2011 6:11:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: tiger63

And a democrat president who made that decision, yet.


41 posted on 08/06/2011 6:12:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: newheart; susannah59

My dad was a radioman Marine who trained on Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay. He was on an invasion troop ship steaming to Japan when the bombs dropped. Instead of invading, he became part of the occupation force. My Mom’s wedding dress was made from a silk parachute for their 1947 wedding. Both gone now and I miss them terribly. Thank God for the bombs.


42 posted on 08/06/2011 6:14:42 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Shalmaneser

I have interviewed dozens of WWII vets who served in the Pacific Theater and each one of them, without fail, has indicated that had the atomic bombs NOT been dropped they would not be there then to talk about their life experiences in the war. They knew the Japanese military and society were capable of tremendous levels of self-sacrifice (i.e sepuku whilst taking out an American GI) for the Emperor. They thanked the Air Force for dropping the bomb and for the Japanese for finally coming to their senses.


43 posted on 08/06/2011 6:14:49 PM PDT by NCDragon (If you can't stand behind the troops, try standing in front of them!)
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To: mitch5501; All

don’t forget about the 100,000’s of American, British, Australian POW’s never mind innocent Chinese families that were dying yearly as they were worked to death as slave labor across indochina, burma, siam, nanking, etc....


44 posted on 08/06/2011 6:23:18 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
Here's a few "fools" who thought it was a mistake or worse:

What is your source for the list?

45 posted on 08/06/2011 6:27:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: gaijin

they actually made two copies of the recording by hiroheto announcing surrender- they had to hide the recordings overnight as they tried to assassinate the emperor’s keeper who had hid the recordings for safe measure so they could be broadcast the following day....forget about the fact jap planes attacked the next day- japs butchered 100’s of American POW’s held in camps in anger when they got word of the surrender...the Russians were more concerned about total surrender by japan then the emperor, which is why they would’ve massacred the Japs- they wanted the Japs out of what would soon be communist controlled Chinese territory...

if Jap atrocities were broadcast the way nazi atrocities are still broadcast today, Japan would be a third world country...


46 posted on 08/06/2011 6:29:30 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: Roccus

“The last one surrendered in 1974”

I recall seeing that reported on the evening news when it happened.


47 posted on 08/06/2011 6:39:23 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Roccus
I was in first grade and thought girls were the craziest people on the earth. They would go Ohhhhhhh on everthing.
They didn't like anything like snow, chocolate milk, catching flies, touching glue, etc.

Demanding little creatures.

48 posted on 08/06/2011 6:50:24 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: tiger63

Harry Truman - probably the last, truly, citizen President.


49 posted on 08/06/2011 7:02:13 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Thank you for that courageous post.


50 posted on 08/06/2011 7:02:51 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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