Skip to comments.Hiroshima 6 August 1945
Posted on 08/06/2011 4:13:19 PM PDT by Shalmaneser
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“Hiroshima, we did it once, we can do it again.”
Actually, we did. It was called Nagasaki.
As a friend once said, “No more Hiroshimas? Easy. No more Pearl Harbors.”
The Japanese had up to 5000 zeros held in reserve on the home islands. The civilians were being armed with bamboo spears and satchel charges.
Invasion plans called for using atomic bombs to blow open beachheads then pour troops through.
The estimates of a million US and millions of Japanese dead are entirely plausible.
The last one surrendered in 1974
I remember that news clip, too. I remembered thinking that this guy would have had no idea about all that had happened in the world since 1945. The looked a bit stunned overall. I wondered what he’d be like in about a month.
I only see a couple of folks you call fools who opposed the Bomb.
The Navy rejected and refused to take part in any invasion of Japan read your history.
Ike hated Truman and knew he would be elected POTUS just because took the liberal stand to insure his election.
1. The jackass Douglass MacArthur (dude who got more of our
men killed than any field general in WWII)
2. Curtis LeMay (what can you say)
3. a couple ding bat liberal goverment critters.
4. The rest lost jobs because the war ended!
Its possible Japan would have been turned into a waste land for years to come with very few Japanese left alive.
Don’t forget the Japanese had the most advanced biological and chemical weapons program in the world at that time. They spent years perfecting it in China. I have no doubt they would have used these weapons on Allied invaders.
Also, the original plan for the invasion of Japan included dropping two Atomic bombs on the most southern of the Japanese mainland islands prior to the invasion. Imagine that: Two Atomic weapons detonated to clear the beaches and then into that radioactive mess the invasion force would land.
A further plan was to continue to hit Japan with Atomic weapons prior to landing invasion forces as they moved North.
Now toss in the Russians coming in from the North and their scorched earth policy.
I’m convinced Japan would have been a smoking ruin from one end to the other.
Suspect ol' Harry would be considered damn near a right wing extremist these days.............
Let me pose a general question...
If the Japs had the bomb in 1945, do you think for a moment they would have hesitated using it on the US???
The Emperor should have been hanged with Tojo..
Son of a Flying Tiger who swept the Japs from Chinese airspace.
In the book ‘ The Last train from Hiroshima’. The story is told of a ground zero survivor, he lost his glasses and then realized he could now see without them. The blast had cured his eye sight. He left Hiroshima for Nagasaki and survived the attack there as well !
FIL’s cousin was on board a troop ship headed for Japan when the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. Their commanding officer lined them up and said, “now look at the man on your right and on your left; two of you will not make it back, and I am giving you a realistic picture of what you face”. On the way over, they got the word that the Japanese had surrendered. If that had gone forward, my father, already a hardened combat veteran would have probably been sent over there. - Sad to say; but it was a shock that instantly civilized formerly uncivilized people and freed those they held in bondage.
I was assigned to the Camp Zama complex outside Tokyo in 1965. The war had been over for 20 years and they had pretty much rebuilt the place. I couldn't help but look at some of the Japs who were 40-50 years old and wonder if these guys were among those who had committed some of those horrific atrocities in China and throughout "the greater east Asia co-prosperity sphere."
The Hiroshima/Nagasaki scene from “Crimson Tide” (Gene Hackman, Denzel Washington, Viggo Mortensen, James Gandolfini, et. al)
I was standing in a line of replacements on Leyte getting battle gear for the invasion of Japan. We had heard bits of info about the big bombs but really were more concerned as to what unit from Okinawa to which we would be assigned. I was about 10th in line when a Lt. came out and told us to go back to the tents becuse the shooting was all over. I can tell that there was very much relief among the G.I.s. With me it was a mixed emotion. I can honestly say an invasion of Japan would have given me a chance to pay back for the death of my brother who was killed on Okinawa and I was very much aware that infantry casualties for an invasion of Japan were expected to be very high. Once the real meaning of the end of shooting was realized apart from the gung ho infantry training attitude the feeling of gratitude for a life certain took over. .
That is a moving story. I’m sorry for your loss.
Thank you for your service and for sharing your experience of the end of the war.
It also saved Japan from a Civil War, because the Soviets would have taken their half of Japan, and it would have been just like Korea.
Sounds like a great movie, they can call it, "The Emperor's Speech."
And the top guy had a D after his name, to boot, albeit bearing little resemblance to today's specimen). But nevertheless something to cite when they protest the
The link I posted provided background on the organization that produced those “utter and absolute lies”, as you put it.
What besides lies would one expect from a nest of Holocaust deniers?
A late friend was a combat Marine in the Philipines and a “...couple of other God forsaken islands.” This man was a solid Conservative who used to say, “Harry Truman became my hero when he dropped those bombs.”
Wounded several times, he knew what they would be facing had they needed to invade.
Harry Truman was about the last Democrat I could’ve possibly voted for with a clear conscience (though I’ve voted ‘R’ with some troubling concerns). Hell (a Harryism), he was probably the last real Democrat.
You mean the url to the Holocaust denying, anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi Institute for Historical Review? Is that the "courageous post" you're referring to?
Where did you get THAT? That's the exact opposite of everything I ever read about MacArthur.
Man YOU are INSANE. Take your Meds, please.
Because I pointed out that the "Institute for Historical Review" is anti-Semitic?
That you, Willis?
Yes, I firmly believe that if either the Japanese OR the Germans had been able to finish their nuclear studies and created the bomb, that they would’ve used it on some major US city on either coast.
As to Hirohito, he was involved in the war planning and overall strategy up to his neck and should’ve been strung up by it. However; MacArthur knew the oriential mind much better than some historians are giving him credit for. 2 points come to mind: if Hirohito, God-on-earth ruler to the Japanese, had been hung as a war criminal, we’d most likely still be fighting the Japanese. Also, making Hirohito come to him to begin the road back from war worked quite well for Mac. It forced the Japanese to swallow their pride and accept defeat/post-war occupation and of course, it boosted Mac’s ego no end.
I would bet that your Flying-Tiger Father had some wonderful stories about his adventures, (good and bad!) during the war. They knew early on how tough the Japanese could be as an opponent!
Nagasaki Day tomorrow. I’m going to put a notice on my PDA so I won’t forget to post a celebratory thread.
What I find interesting is the attempt to link claims that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes to the views of people like Eisenhower and LeMay who believed that they were strategic errors of no criminal consequence.
Then there is the leap to the claim that all "conservatives" believed these were "war crimes" until the 1980s when the "neocons" (an IHR/FR derogatory codeword for American patriots of Jewish heritage) decided they weren't.
The fact is that no mainstream conservative hated America and America's armed forces enough to claim that they were war crimes.
That claim was invented by fringe cranks at the time, was adopted by mainstream leftists in the 1960s and then adopted again by fringe anti-Semite cranks in the 1980s.
There’s a misunderstanding here. Someone asked for a link. The one I’d saved from 2004 is gone. So I tried to find something similar and the IHR thing popped up. I posted the link with some caveat about not knowing if it was legit. The mod removed that post and one other. I guess I was breaking a rule or something.
Anyway, as far as I know, that was the first time I’ve heard of that site, even though I see why you’d think I was running around quoting them.
BTW - I don’t think anyone tossed around the term “war crime”. Most of the quotes I saw were coming from the position that the war was already won. Like you, I always thought that was revisionism.