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Hiroshima 6 August 1945
brucelewis.com ^ | August 6, 2011 | Bruce Lewis

Posted on 08/06/2011 4:13:19 PM PDT by Shalmaneser

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To: tet68

“Hiroshima, we did it once, we can do it again.”

Actually, we did. It was called Nagasaki.

As a friend once said, “No more Hiroshimas? Easy. No more Pearl Harbors.”


51 posted on 08/06/2011 7:06:53 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

The Japanese had up to 5000 zeros held in reserve on the home islands. The civilians were being armed with bamboo spears and satchel charges.

Invasion plans called for using atomic bombs to blow open beachheads then pour troops through.

The estimates of a million US and millions of Japanese dead are entirely plausible.


52 posted on 08/06/2011 7:08:41 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

“The last one surrendered in 1974”

I remember that news clip, too. I remembered thinking that this guy would have had no idea about all that had happened in the world since 1945. The looked a bit stunned overall. I wondered what he’d be like in about a month.


53 posted on 08/06/2011 7:15:19 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I only see a couple of folks you call fools who opposed the Bomb.

The Navy rejected and refused to take part in any invasion of Japan read your history.

Ike hated Truman and knew he would be elected POTUS just because took the liberal stand to insure his election.

1. The jackass Douglass MacArthur (dude who got more of our
men killed than any field general in WWII)

2. Curtis LeMay (what can you say)

3. a couple ding bat liberal goverment critters.

4. The rest lost jobs because the war ended!


54 posted on 08/06/2011 7:18:33 PM PDT by tiger63
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To: mitch5501; Shalmaneser

Its possible Japan would have been turned into a waste land for years to come with very few Japanese left alive.

Don’t forget the Japanese had the most advanced biological and chemical weapons program in the world at that time. They spent years perfecting it in China. I have no doubt they would have used these weapons on Allied invaders.

Also, the original plan for the invasion of Japan included dropping two Atomic bombs on the most southern of the Japanese mainland islands prior to the invasion. Imagine that: Two Atomic weapons detonated to clear the beaches and then into that radioactive mess the invasion force would land.

A further plan was to continue to hit Japan with Atomic weapons prior to landing invasion forces as they moved North.

Now toss in the Russians coming in from the North and their scorched earth policy.

I’m convinced Japan would have been a smoking ruin from one end to the other.


55 posted on 08/06/2011 7:22:35 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: Secret Agent Man
As you know, there is absolutely no comparison to Truman's version of a democrat, and the creatures we deal with today.

Suspect ol' Harry would be considered damn near a right wing extremist these days.............

56 posted on 08/06/2011 7:22:46 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Harry Truman was a special POTUS, after replacing FDR this man read the US Constitution and followed it as a job instruction to lead this country. When have you ever after Harry left office did you have another POTUS state "The Buck stops here" and mean it. Today its "PASS THE BLAME"
57 posted on 08/06/2011 7:32:51 PM PDT by tiger63
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To: NCDragon

Let me pose a general question...

If the Japs had the bomb in 1945, do you think for a moment they would have hesitated using it on the US???

The Emperor should have been hanged with Tojo..

Son of a Flying Tiger who swept the Japs from Chinese airspace.


58 posted on 08/06/2011 7:37:27 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: wetgundog

In the book ‘ The Last train from Hiroshima’. The story is told of a ground zero survivor, he lost his glasses and then realized he could now see without them. The blast had cured his eye sight. He left Hiroshima for Nagasaki and survived the attack there as well !


59 posted on 08/06/2011 7:48:23 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Tag line under construction, please mind the gap!!)
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To: doorgunner69

Certainly true.


60 posted on 08/06/2011 8:19:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: KantianBurke

FIL’s cousin was on board a troop ship headed for Japan when the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. Their commanding officer lined them up and said, “now look at the man on your right and on your left; two of you will not make it back, and I am giving you a realistic picture of what you face”. On the way over, they got the word that the Japanese had surrendered. If that had gone forward, my father, already a hardened combat veteran would have probably been sent over there. - Sad to say; but it was a shock that instantly civilized formerly uncivilized people and freed those they held in bondage.


61 posted on 08/06/2011 8:29:18 PM PDT by Twinkie (Is Obama using the Cloward-Piven Strategy?!? Yea or Nay?)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Google "Operation Downfall." That includes "Operation Coronet" and "Operation Olympic." These show the Order of Battle of U.S. forces for the invasion and occupation of Japan. Fortunately for us, the A Bomb intervened and saved a whole lot of lives on both sides.

I was assigned to the Camp Zama complex outside Tokyo in 1965. The war had been over for 20 years and they had pretty much rebuilt the place. I couldn't help but look at some of the Japs who were 40-50 years old and wonder if these guys were among those who had committed some of those horrific atrocities in China and throughout "the greater east Asia co-prosperity sphere."

62 posted on 08/06/2011 8:33:10 PM PDT by Ax
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To: gaijin
Japan’s Longest Day: there was an actual firefight on the grounds of the Imperial Palance, in an effort to head-off a broadcast of the Emperor’s Voice announcing the end of the war.

All evidence clearly supports the conclusion that Japan would have fought on to the bitter end had it not been for the bombs. And yes, senior members of the Japanese military were completely opposed to surrender even AFTER the bombs had been dropped.

The Weekly Standard's Why Truman Dropped the Bomb article from 2005 is a great reference on the subject.


63 posted on 08/06/2011 8:59:05 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Ax
Google "Operation Downfall." That includes "Operation Coronet" and "Operation Olympic." These show the Order of Battle of U.S. forces for the invasion and occupation of Japan. Fortunately for us, the A Bomb intervened and saved a whole lot of lives on both sides.

I've come to believe that Coronet and Olympic would never have happened ... the casualty projections were too high and after Okinawa the American and British leadership knew very well they were accurate. And would be completely unacceptable to the public.

So the real case to be made is that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of Japanese lives. Those on the islands who would have been killed when the nation was starved into submission courtesy of the naval blockade, and those on the mainland serving in the Kwantung Army who would have been killed by the Soviets.
64 posted on 08/06/2011 9:06:35 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Links?


66 posted on 08/06/2011 9:15:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: Shalmaneser

The Hiroshima/Nagasaki scene from “Crimson Tide” (Gene Hackman, Denzel Washington, Viggo Mortensen, James Gandolfini, et. al)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Yw3qU58w4


67 posted on 08/06/2011 10:01:43 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (PSA. As of 8/06/11, 458/533 days 'til we vote out/take out the trash. (Nov 6 2012))
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To: Shalmaneser

I was standing in a line of replacements on Leyte getting battle gear for the invasion of Japan. We had heard bits of info about the big bombs but really were more concerned as to what unit from Okinawa to which we would be assigned. I was about 10th in line when a Lt. came out and told us to go back to the tents becuse the shooting was all over. I can tell that there was very much relief among the G.I.s. With me it was a mixed emotion. I can honestly say an invasion of Japan would have given me a chance to pay back for the death of my brother who was killed on Okinawa and I was very much aware that infantry casualties for an invasion of Japan were expected to be very high. Once the real meaning of the end of shooting was realized apart from the gung ho infantry training attitude the feeling of gratitude for a life certain took over. .


68 posted on 08/06/2011 10:13:01 PM PDT by noinfringers3
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To: noinfringers3

That is a moving story. I’m sorry for your loss.

Thank you for your service and for sharing your experience of the end of the war.


69 posted on 08/07/2011 12:17:31 AM PDT by Shalmaneser
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To: mitch5501

It also saved Japan from a Civil War, because the Soviets would have taken their half of Japan, and it would have been just like Korea.


70 posted on 08/07/2011 12:19:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: gaijin
Japan’s Longest Day: there was an actual firefight on the grounds of the Imperial Palance, in an effort to head-off a broadcast of the Emperor’s Voice announcing the end of the war.

Sounds like a great movie, they can call it, "The Emperor's Speech."

71 posted on 08/07/2011 12:21:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: KantianBurke
Anyone who thinks dropping the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes are fools.

And the top guy had a D after his name, to boot, albeit bearing little resemblance to today's specimen). But nevertheless something to cite when they protest the disproportionate response.

72 posted on 08/07/2011 12:31:05 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Carl Vehse

The link I posted provided background on the organization that produced those “utter and absolute lies”, as you put it.

What besides lies would one expect from a nest of Holocaust deniers?


73 posted on 08/07/2011 5:19:15 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: noinfringers3

A late friend was a combat Marine in the Philipines and a “...couple of other God forsaken islands.” This man was a solid Conservative who used to say, “Harry Truman became my hero when he dropped those bombs.”
Wounded several times, he knew what they would be facing had they needed to invade.


74 posted on 08/07/2011 5:23:30 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: tiger63

Harry Truman was about the last Democrat I could’ve possibly voted for with a clear conscience (though I’ve voted ‘R’ with some troubling concerns). Hell (a Harryism), he was probably the last real Democrat.


75 posted on 08/07/2011 6:20:07 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: noinfringers3
My father was on a Martin Mariner in Manila bay when the end of the war came. As he tells it, he was sleeping in the bunk when all kinds of firing started. He thought the Japs were flying in kamikaze attacks and the air was filled with tracers. He couldn't make sense of any target and started the aircraft's generator to tune in the radio. Then he heard the news. He said every weapon on every ship and the shore was up and firing. Must have been quite a scene...
76 posted on 08/07/2011 6:28:13 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: nkycincinnatikid
Thank you for that courageous post.

You mean the url to the Holocaust denying, anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi Institute for Historical Review? Is that the "courageous post" you're referring to?

77 posted on 08/07/2011 8:16:30 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: tiger63
The jackass Douglass MacArthur (dude who got more of our men killed than any field general in WWII)

Where did you get THAT? That's the exact opposite of everything I ever read about MacArthur.

78 posted on 08/07/2011 12:51:26 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Man YOU are INSANE. Take your Meds, please.


79 posted on 08/07/2011 6:08:44 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: nkycincinnatikid; wideawake; Admin Moderator
Man YOU are INSANE. Take your Meds, please.

Because I pointed out that the "Institute for Historical Review" is anti-Semitic?

That you, Willis?

80 posted on 08/07/2011 7:46:18 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: wetgundog

Yes, I firmly believe that if either the Japanese OR the Germans had been able to finish their nuclear studies and created the bomb, that they would’ve used it on some major US city on either coast.

As to Hirohito, he was involved in the war planning and overall strategy up to his neck and should’ve been strung up by it. However; MacArthur knew the oriential mind much better than some historians are giving him credit for. 2 points come to mind: if Hirohito, God-on-earth ruler to the Japanese, had been hung as a war criminal, we’d most likely still be fighting the Japanese. Also, making Hirohito come to him to begin the road back from war worked quite well for Mac. It forced the Japanese to swallow their pride and accept defeat/post-war occupation and of course, it boosted Mac’s ego no end.

I would bet that your Flying-Tiger Father had some wonderful stories about his adventures, (good and bad!) during the war. They knew early on how tough the Japanese could be as an opponent!


81 posted on 08/08/2011 4:56:24 AM PDT by NCDragon (If you can't stand behind the troops, try standing in front of them!)
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To: NCDragon

Nagasaki Day tomorrow. I’m going to put a notice on my PDA so I won’t forget to post a celebratory thread.


82 posted on 08/08/2011 5:02:54 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; nkycincinnatikid; Forgotten Amendments
Anyone who posts links to the so-called "Institute For Historical Review" is anti-Semite scum, by definition.

What I find interesting is the attempt to link claims that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes to the views of people like Eisenhower and LeMay who believed that they were strategic errors of no criminal consequence.

Then there is the leap to the claim that all "conservatives" believed these were "war crimes" until the 1980s when the "neocons" (an IHR/FR derogatory codeword for American patriots of Jewish heritage) decided they weren't.

The fact is that no mainstream conservative hated America and America's armed forces enough to claim that they were war crimes.

That claim was invented by fringe cranks at the time, was adopted by mainstream leftists in the 1960s and then adopted again by fringe anti-Semite cranks in the 1980s.

83 posted on 08/08/2011 8:40:31 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

There’s a misunderstanding here. Someone asked for a link. The one I’d saved from 2004 is gone. So I tried to find something similar and the IHR thing popped up. I posted the link with some caveat about not knowing if it was legit. The mod removed that post and one other. I guess I was breaking a rule or something.

Anyway, as far as I know, that was the first time I’ve heard of that site, even though I see why you’d think I was running around quoting them.

BTW - I don’t think anyone tossed around the term “war crime”. Most of the quotes I saw were coming from the position that the war was already won. Like you, I always thought that was revisionism.


84 posted on 08/08/2011 12:02:45 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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