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London eyewitness: Tottenham unrest 'absolutely manic'
BBC ^ | 8/6/11

Posted on 08/06/2011 11:01:09 PM PDT by Kartographer

Police cars have been set on fire during a demonstration outside a police station in north London, according to witnesses.

Tottenham resident, Maria Robinson, says the disturbance is linked to the fatal shooting of a man during a Scotland Yard operation on Thursday.

Dozens of protesters have been gathering on the High Road in Tottenham.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; clothes; demonstration; disturbance; electronics; england; failbrittania; police; protestors; riots; scotlandyard; shoes; tottenham; youths
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1 posted on 08/06/2011 11:01:10 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Another thread over here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2759819/posts


2 posted on 08/06/2011 11:03:29 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: Kartographer

The British government is going to have to seriously get back to the business of law and order to fix this.


3 posted on 08/06/2011 11:09:32 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Kartographer

The man whom police shot dead is said to be drug dealer. But a “big man” in the local community, apparently.


4 posted on 08/06/2011 11:12:01 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Kartographer

Like is the U.S., multiculturalism is the Brits’ strength.


5 posted on 08/06/2011 11:12:01 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: BlackVeil

You know what’s so genius? They’re mad that police shot a member of their community, so what do they do? Riot and destroy the crap out of said community! Tottenham is such a...well, I don’t think the FR filter will allow that one.


6 posted on 08/06/2011 11:18:13 PM PDT by NikkiB
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To: Kartographer

Nowhere in the BBC account is there any indication that this was a racial incident. PC trumps reporting.


7 posted on 08/06/2011 11:20:00 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: NikkiB

Now then NikkiB! Now then! You watch them words!

LOL ... it is easy to become politically incorrect on this topic.


8 posted on 08/06/2011 11:21:41 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: bwc2221
Listen to London talk radio...not nearly as PC:

LBC Talk Radio

9 posted on 08/06/2011 11:25:52 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Kartographer

” during a demonstration... says the disturbance....

Love that BBC, they don’t pull any punches, those guys. Call it like it is, except when it is a Jamaican-African riot. Man, why would anyone trust these turds to truly report what is going on?


10 posted on 08/06/2011 11:36:00 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Kartographer

I’m not saying things are wonderful for our Friends who are faced with rampant socialism, but we could take a lesson from them.

We are so afraid of being labeled with the “T” word, always feel we have to take the high road, and try to solve problems with people who have a mental illness (Liberals), that we we have forgotten how to stand up and FIGHT for what we believe in.

Think I am wrong?

Look where we are today.


11 posted on 08/06/2011 11:42:48 PM PDT by borntobeagle (Mr. Bean could do a better job!!!!)
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To: BlackVeil

“Watch them grammar!”

(c) John Ford


12 posted on 08/06/2011 11:51:52 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Kartographer

bookmark


13 posted on 08/06/2011 11:52:54 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Kartographer

Good, welcome to the wages of forced multiculturalism/diversity and socialism.


14 posted on 08/06/2011 11:53:29 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: NikkiB

That is what savages do.


15 posted on 08/06/2011 11:54:03 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama get our AAA back.)
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To: Kartographer

I guess the message here is to stay away from Tottenham. I know I will.
Let the animals do what they will. (shrug)

The real problem only arises when money (tax money) is confiscated from OTHER people to pay for the cleanup. That is where the outrage should be. But then, Britain voters are ultimately the ones responsible for the government they have and for the “risk free” love and mothering of the socialist welfare state they gave themselves. You know - - the kind of socialist welfare state Ubama and the Democrats want for America.

How’s that working out for them?


16 posted on 08/07/2011 12:02:15 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: buccaneer81

Thanks for the link.

The host is not PC at all.


17 posted on 08/07/2011 12:02:50 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer

“....and I live by the river.”


18 posted on 08/07/2011 12:03:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: buccaneer81

Thank you for that.


19 posted on 08/07/2011 12:08:15 AM PDT by Actually_in_Tokyo (ahead of the game)
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To: Kartographer

Do I smell Islam? Tottenham has a large Muslim population.


20 posted on 08/07/2011 12:12:47 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: bwc2221
The videos will tell all.
21 posted on 08/07/2011 12:22:04 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: americanophile
I don;t think Islam is involved here. This appears to be one of those Los Angeles - Detroit - Newark let's get free electronics and Nike clothes riots.
22 posted on 08/07/2011 12:39:41 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: americanophile
Do I smell Islam? Tottenham has a large Muslim population.

Nope. This time it's home grown Africanus Britannicus.

23 posted on 08/07/2011 12:41:03 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Jonty30

too late, i think its over.


24 posted on 08/07/2011 12:47:46 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: buccaneer81
Nope. This time it's home grown Africanus Britannicus.

Not home grown Soccerus Hooliganus? First thing I thought when I saw the headline was that Tottenham Hotspur must have won or lost or something.
25 posted on 08/07/2011 12:48:15 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

This came out of a police shooting. The cops were serving a warrant and the guy opened up on them. He was quickly dispatched by an officer’s MP-5.


26 posted on 08/07/2011 12:50:39 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: GeronL

I don’t think it’s over. The government might have to go farther to establish law than it would have had to, but I think it still can be done.


27 posted on 08/07/2011 1:00:03 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Lancey Howard

“How’s that working out for them?”

Not well, certainly.


28 posted on 08/07/2011 1:14:24 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“The trouble with the English is they never see the writing on the wall, until they have their backs to it”

A B Waring.


29 posted on 08/07/2011 1:32:07 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: dfwgator
“....and I live by the river.”

More like:

"When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?"

30 posted on 08/07/2011 2:28:22 AM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: Kartographer

As someone who had lived in London a long long time, these type of people have always had a huge chip on their shoulder, they have no regard for law, think the gun is their god and have no qualms in stabbing, shooting or killing you, life to them is very cheap. When are these govts going to work out that multiculturism does not work, they live in ghettoes and act like it and think they are better than everyone else and deserve everything for free.

Its time London and the UK imposed zero tolerence and either jail them, or deport them for good. You do the crime...zero rights.

Frankly the UK’s problem is lefties gone mad.


31 posted on 08/07/2011 3:24:21 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

its the same story alll across the world with black youth, just a different area, same old story, hey we dont get our way, we riot, steal and wreck. Hurtful but its true.


32 posted on 08/07/2011 3:37:59 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Are there any prosperous, democratic, financially stable black countries? I guess the Bahamas could be considered so, but other than that, I don’t know of any. Why is that?


33 posted on 08/07/2011 4:35:08 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Vanders9

Some English have been very aware of this sort of thing for years:

http://englishdefenceleague.org/

Originally made up of politicized “soccer hooligans,” they are a tough, anti-PC, anti multi-culti, anti Islamic group.
They are NOT fascists or Nazis, simply patriots.


34 posted on 08/07/2011 4:37:32 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: ilovesarah2012
Are there any prosperous, democratic, financially stable black countries?

You mentioned the Bahamas; Barbados might be another. Wherever British law and customs took deep root, society progressed. India is the best example.

So sad, then, that the British, themselves, abandoned it.

35 posted on 08/07/2011 4:49:14 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. -- L. Von Mises)
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To: BfloGuy

Ironic.


36 posted on 08/07/2011 5:01:55 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: BfloGuy

The British did not “abandon” their laws and customs in those former ‘colonies/protectorates’.

Under the UN group think of post WWII - Britain was shamed into ‘liberating’ them. When the former ‘colonies’ began to dissolve into chaos - Britain was then obliged to accept the fleeing multitudes into a very small island nation.

The refugees were British citizens with all the benefits but none of the responsibilities.


37 posted on 08/07/2011 5:02:23 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: Scanian

The EDL are not heroes.

As you said, the EDL are ex-football hooligans (which is bad enough). Sorry, but they are not simple decent patriots, many DO have links to neo-nazi and far right racist/antisemitic groups. If you think they are non-racist patriots, you are very nieve.

Vanders and I and a few others here are British. We know what the EDL are better than you or anyone. And they ARE a group with questionable links and identity.

Just because they oppose the Muslims dosent make them heroes or right. You want to support us, then support the decent British person who opposes extremism and mass immigration but does it without hatred of skin colour.


38 posted on 08/07/2011 6:25:51 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman
You want to support us, then support the decent British person who opposes extremism and mass immigration

Any advice for the US?

39 posted on 08/07/2011 6:30:45 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: the scotsman

I know a couple of them personally and I am more interested in what they say about their group than what ultra-biased critics like the Anti-Fascists have to say.

The fact that they have put a wet blanket on some of Anjem Choudary’s planned activities is good enough for me.

Football hooligans? Formerly, yes. Some of them. And God bless them! The right needs more tough guys and fewer dilettantes on its side to match the strong-arm tactics of the left-—mainly union goons in this country.

I wish we had an analogous organization in the US. Confront the SEIU with a group like the EDL and you won’t get anywhere near the usual nastiness from them. Right now, they feel very safe in attacking blue-haired tea partiers (I’m one myself, only balding, not gray) and female candidates. If the TP’s had a contingent of EDL-type guardians, things might be different. Lefty thugs are known cowards. Beating up on wheelchair-bound flag salesmen is typical of their style.

Get a clue, please. The bad guys in the world today are Muslims and leftists, not patriots and lovers of Western culture like my hero Geert Wilders.


40 posted on 08/07/2011 6:56:38 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian; the scotsman
I know a couple of them personally and I am more interested in what they say about their group than what ultra-biased critics like the Anti-Fascists have to say.

I sincerely hope that, in thus dismissing the near-unanimous (so far as I'm aware) opinion of British Freepers on this subject, you're not categorising us as 'ultra-biased critics like the Anti-Fascists'

41 posted on 08/07/2011 10:01:45 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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I remember a line from the movie, “It Happened Here”, about what a potential Nazi occupation of Britain would be like, that line stuck with me:

“The appalling thing about fascism is that you’ve got to use fascist methods to get rid of it. “

I find that statement to be very true, and if Islamo-Fascism is allowed to take hold, it will take extreme measures to get rid of it.


42 posted on 08/07/2011 10:25:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Scanian

Get a clue?.

I am British, born and bred.
I am ex-armed forces.
I am a conservative opposed to mass immigration, political correctness and extremism.
I have lived and worked all over the UK.
I follow passionately my own nation’s politics ans current affairs.
And most importantly, I have known people on the far right, from the NF in the 1980’s to the EDL now. Think you are the only one?.

The fact that you welcome that they were/are football hooligans is symptomatic of your romantic notions: you have never clearly been in the middle of hooligans on the rampage, a group who then and now have no qualms about kicking in the heads of any innocent civilians in their midst, irrespective of what hooligan group they are. English national hooligans, Manchester United hooligans, Chelsea, Welsh, minor club hooligans, they all behave in the same way. I assume you know that as well as fighting each other, hooligans will terrorise the public.

I know. I have been there: caught in the middle of it AND seen it close up from safety. So I find your romantic notion of a football hooligan laughable and pathetic. If you lived in Britain, and have seen the damage and violence in general caused by football hooligans over the last 40 years, you’d have an even less starry-eyed notion.

The fact that you bash me and other British freepers (all of whom are conservative, anti-islamic extremism, anti-mass immigration, pro-american and anti-leftist) as apologists when we criticise the EDL is equally arrogant. Did you even think for a second that we, as people who are actually British and see the EDL up close, might be right, might have a better grasp of what they actually are?.

You and I agree 100% that Islamic terrorism is the biggest threat today. You and I agree that leftist violence is a major threat and gets condoned and apologised for. BUT that ipso facto dosent make the EDL, or BNP, or Combat 18 et al heroes or right.

The EDL ARE a group with racist and anti-semitic links, members and background. You may not want to hear that, the guys you know may deny it, but the actual facts when you scratch the surface are there...


43 posted on 08/07/2011 11:19:38 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: ilovesarah2012
I guess the Bahamas could be considered so,

Ever seen how the average Bahamian lives, away from the cruise ship docks? It's not pretty.

44 posted on 08/07/2011 12:18:08 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: the scotsman

The EDL looks like it’s doing the hard work the rest of the “conservatives” in England won’t do.


45 posted on 08/07/2011 12:21:47 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: the scotsman

I know the BNP are bad, are there links between them and the EDL?


46 posted on 08/07/2011 12:23:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: the scotsman

You are speaking hatefully about some good friends of mine. People I seriously doubt you know or care about but happen to be honorable men whom I respect.

You make a lot of assumptions about people you don’t know and give no one the benefit of the doubt. That’s why I say “get a clue.”

Riots? For all you know, I might have participated in a few during my time and had my head clubbed a time or two. Those EDL boys are FORMER hooligans who have learned to channel their energies.

If the people in the UK don’t want some of those chaps and they want to re-locate, I’d be happy to sponsor a couple. They might provide the missing ingredient on the US right.
The left always has a crowd of burly thugs join in their actions. What do we have? Largely grandparents who yell loudly but limp their way to and from a meeting.

And if you think physical altercations aren’t in the future of American politics, then who is being naive?

And if you generalize and pass judgment like that in public, you will attract some wicked attention sooner or later.

I’m preaching self-defense. The lefties practice aggression.


47 posted on 08/07/2011 12:26:33 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: the scotsman

At least here we have the Tea Party, made up of average citizens who are willing to take the heat, and are getting results as evidenced by the November elections and the left’s fear and hatred of us. Where is your Tea Party? Where are your “conservative” citizens willing to take a stand? Until you have a movement like that, the EDL will flourish. Is the average Brit so afraid of being labeled a “racist” that they’ll hide in their homes instead of working for change?


48 posted on 08/07/2011 12:28:53 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: the scotsman; Scanian

I second your view that the romantic notion of hooliganism is pathetic. Speaking as someone who ended up in the hospital due to EDL thugs, there is nothing good or admirable about them.


49 posted on 08/07/2011 12:39:13 PM PDT by NikkiB
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To: NikkiB

That was scotsman who was attacking hooligans.

I wasn’t defending hooligans, I was defending former hooligans who have organized politically.

Who say you were injured by EDL members. Late me inquire, who provoked that incident? I’ll bet militant muzzies were at the bottom of it.

We don’t have “hooligans” over here but the tea paries I’ve attended could have used a security detachment of tough-looking young men. The opposition has no compunction about doing it and they always end up being the provocateurs and aggressors.

I see no way that the next 15 months will avoid numerous physical left-right confrontations. I hate giving the other side the physical advantage.


50 posted on 08/07/2011 1:15:52 PM PDT by Scanian
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