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Churches to Read Torah as Others Read Koran
Arutz Sheva ^ | 8/8/11 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 08/07/2011 5:42:30 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

Churches in the U.S. are preparing to read sections of the Torah on Sunday, August 13, in a show of solidarity with Israel and the Jewish people.

The move is a response to an initiative by a group of churches that read from the Muslim Koran during their services on Sunday, June 26. According to the Faith Shared project, which initiated the Koran reading, 66 churches from 32 states joined that effort.

In an effort to counter the move, a grassroots movement of churches across America is preparing to read from sections of the Torah during their services.

According to Pastor Mark Biltz, one of the pastors leading the move, while Jewish communities around the world read the Shema prayer, Christian communities will join them in solidarity. “There is a special bond between Jews and Christians, as both hold as the greatest commandment to love the L-rd their G-d with all their heart," Pastor Biltz explained. "So I’ve also posted the Shema in as many languages as I could find on our website so everyone could see it.

“I am asking in a show of solidarity with the G-d of Israel, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that churches/organizations join together in one accord and read from the Torah during their Saturday/Sunday services this coming August 13 and 14,” he wrote.

Biltz went on to say that "The suggested reading from this Torah portion is the greatest commandment, found in Deuteronomy 6:4-9, that we love the Lord with all our heart, soul and strength."

The pastor is referring to the verses after the one-line Shema prayer. The reading will obviously not be from a parchment hand-written Torah scroll.

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I can understand reading from the Torah because it's part of the Christian Bible as well. But Geeze, Louise! Enough already with the Koran. Are Imams reading from the New Testament to reciprocate? What's next? The Baghavad Ghita? Gilgamesh? Codex Nutal? How about the Kama Sutra? Everyone can just look at the pictures without reading anything.
1 posted on 08/07/2011 5:42:34 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

>> Are Imams reading from the New Testament

They reject the New Testament.


2 posted on 08/07/2011 5:44:49 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: Eleutheria5
The Torah is already part of the Christian Bible. They should be reading it a lot already. Sheesh.
3 posted on 08/07/2011 5:46:48 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Eleutheria5

Any attempt to equate the Torah, a revelation of YHWH to his chosen people, to the book written by Mohammed is like trying to compare the Ritz Carlton to an abandoned Super 8.

Historically, the Torah is revered by the Jew and the Christian. The stories of Mohammed? By neither.


4 posted on 08/07/2011 5:49:46 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Our first reading is almost always from the Old Testament(ie Hebrew Bible) the second reading is from the New,and they followed by one of the Gospel's.
5 posted on 08/07/2011 5:49:50 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the Wes)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

I think that’s the point. The Torah is part of the Christian Bible, and therefore suitable for reading in a Christian Church.

The Koran is NOT part of the Bible, and contradicts it in numerous ways.


6 posted on 08/07/2011 5:50:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Eleutheria5
The Gita has some sections in it that are clearly of Western origin. Take a look sometime at the proverbs ~ you will find them more than familiar.

The Gita was assembled sometime in the First Century AD. There were already Jewish missionaires in India. Christians were to come.

7 posted on 08/07/2011 5:51:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eleutheria5

What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?


8 posted on 08/07/2011 5:51:50 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Cicero
The Koran is NOT part of the Bible, and contradicts it in numerous ways.

So true. And it is so stupid when idiots say that we all just worship the same God.

9 posted on 08/07/2011 5:53:08 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

>The Torah is already part of the Christian Bible. They should be reading it a lot already. Sheesh.

I know. I taught my Sunday School lesson from it today. Didn’t think I was making a grand political statement.


10 posted on 08/07/2011 5:53:28 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

I agree. Jesus was, after all, a nice Jewish boy. Mohammed was not. It is blasphemy and sacrilege for any Christian minister or Catholic priest to be reading passages from that filthy book(the Koran) in the House of God.


11 posted on 08/07/2011 5:54:16 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: mware

That’s good. Some churches I’ve been in preach almost exclusively from the New Testament and don’t use the Old Testament much. This is sad because there is so much good stuff in the OT and the OT is much longer than the NT.


12 posted on 08/07/2011 5:54:47 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: jmacusa
Jesus was, after all, a nice Jewish boy

The palestinians were claiming recently that Isa (Jesus) was really a Palestinian freedom fighter. True story.

13 posted on 08/07/2011 5:57:01 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Cheetahcat

>>What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?

Sadly, it is probably United Methodist.


14 posted on 08/07/2011 5:57:09 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
At the same time the men who assembled the Koran in Damascus worked quite some time AFTER Mohammad had gone on to his reward.

Fair judges of the matter have always assumed the writers stuffed ancient Jewish text into the Koran and the Hadiths ~

More recently translators of some of the most ancient copies of the Koran (written in pre-dot Arabic) have determined it was actually written in Aramaic (by those same fellows in Damascus where Aramaic was still used at the time). Not only that, it looks like the basic document was a missionary's manual for converting the Arabs of Mecca ~ and that, too, was prepared in Damascus some years before Mohammad.

Some items are rather obscure but seem to have been taken from an exceedingly old Torah.

The Koran wasn't exactly "written" ~ more like "assembled" with some Arabic history tossed in for good measure (and probably to make the Arab conquerers of Damascus happy).

The Moslem belief is that the Earthly Koran is a copy of the Real Koran which was written by God and is kept in Heaven. It is, frankly, impossible to discuss this with Moslems ~ they don't believe Mohammad wrote the Koran!

15 posted on 08/07/2011 5:58:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eleutheria5

I can not find a list of churches that are participating.


16 posted on 08/07/2011 6:00:14 PM PDT by Beckett08 (Better a Mommy in The White House than a Commie in The White House)
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To: muawiyah

Hinduism gained its foothold as a survivalist religion for te Brahmin class, like Islam.

Islam has a system of abrogation built into it. In short, the “truth” of the scripture is that scripture which is most recent chronologically. If one writer early on said killing infidels is bad but a later writer said it was good, then “killing infidels is good” is truth according to the Koran. This system also enables Muslims to point to either passage to support whatever argument they need to make at the time. The contradictions enable lying to further the aims of Islam, which is to force Islam onto all peoples of the world. It is primarily a totalitarian political system to its leaders, even if its adherents to consider it a religion.

Similarly, Hindu early on adopted the philosophy that it would adopt elements from any other religions that the masses would find appealing and that the ruling caste could use to better remain in their ruling positions. Thus, in Hindu, you will find a lot of Buddhism and other eastern religions and influences from Judaism and early Christianity.


17 posted on 08/07/2011 6:00:30 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Done properly, a good priest, or minister can unite all three readings and make it relevant to the world we live in today.

I happen to have a very good priest who always unites the readings.

If members of the parish take the opportunity to attend scripture study, he tells us the background and significance of each reading.

18 posted on 08/07/2011 6:01:03 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the Wes)
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To: Eleutheria5

Mr. “Purpose Drive Life” Rick Warren has his finger in this - I’ll bet.


19 posted on 08/07/2011 6:03:05 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Eleutheria5

Mr. “Purpose Drive Life” Rick Warren has his finger in this - I’ll bet.


20 posted on 08/07/2011 6:03:05 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Eleutheria5

How can a “Church” justify reading the ravings of a mad, pedophiliac sociopath?

To read from “Penthout Letters” would be more edifying!


21 posted on 08/07/2011 6:04:34 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Bryanw92
“>>What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?

Sadly, it is probably United Methodist.”

They DO NOT get it!! Complete Ignorance of their enemy!

22 posted on 08/07/2011 6:04:34 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Regarding Gilgamesh it's pretty much based on actual observations of a Moon that now orbits in Venus' orbit that used to orbit in Earth's orbit ~ or outside it.

Sumerian observations recently carefully evaluated reveal that people were around to see Gilgamesh (the Moon) occulted by Inkydo (the smaller comet like moon now orbiting Venus).

There are other noteworthy events that occurred during the period when Inkydo was being transferred from Earth/Moon's control to that of Venus.

It's something more than a fairy tale and something a little less than a clear cut scientific observation ~ but you can take the Sumerian observations of Venus (Ishtar ~ their chief goddess) in coordination with the story of Gilgamesh/Inkydo and deduce that it was an interesting memnonic that people liked to read about.

23 posted on 08/07/2011 6:06:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mware
I happen to have a very good priest who always unites the readings.

Good for you. It is nice to find a pastor or priest who can preach from the whole Bible, knows his stuff and can relate things.

24 posted on 08/07/2011 6:07:59 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: muawiyah

So that means for sure it should be read in churches. Let’s be multicultural, even about dead cultures./s


25 posted on 08/07/2011 6:10:11 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5

Not much difference between them if they reject Christ.


26 posted on 08/07/2011 6:11:05 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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Thanks Eleutheria5.
Churches in the U.S. are preparing to read sections of the Torah on Sunday, August 13, in a show of solidarity with Israel and the Jewish people... a response to an initiative by a group of churches that read from the Muslim Koran during their services on Sunday, June 26... According to Pastor Mark Biltz... while Jewish communities around the world read the Shema prayer, Christian communities will join them in solidarity.
The only reason to so much as quote from the Koran in a church is to critique its inherent violence, sexism, pedophilia, plagiarism, and stupidity.


27 posted on 08/07/2011 6:14:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Eleutheria5

Why not read from the Koran:

And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who
join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and
seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every
kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe
prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their
way, for God is Gracious, Merciful.

And the Jews plotted, and God plotted: But of those who
plot is God the best.

O Believers! take not the Jews or Christians as friends.
They are but one another’s friends. If any one of you taketh
them for his friends, he surely is one of them!

Of all men thou wilt certainly find the Jews, and those who
join other gods with God, to be the most intense in hatred
of those who believe; and thou shalt certainly find those to
be nearest in affection to them who say, “We are Christians.”

And it is for the women to act as the husbands act
by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them.

Forbidden to you also are married women, except those who
are in your hands as slaves.


28 posted on 08/07/2011 6:15:40 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Eleutheria5

Tanakh good but koran bad. Very, very bad.

There are a lot of Christian churches with dhimmis in the pulpit.

And in the pews.


29 posted on 08/07/2011 6:17:12 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Soothesayer9

Actually, Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet, just not the son of G-d. We Jews reject him as being theologically irrelevant. But let’s agree to disagree.


30 posted on 08/07/2011 6:17:32 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: F15Eagle

Torah good, too. I mean.....just to be clear.


31 posted on 08/07/2011 6:19:01 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
More recently they found the City of Hastinapur where Krishna was King.

It'd fallen into the sea (guess it was just too close to the edge eh).

To Hindus that was rather like finding the True Cross walled up in a nearby cafe ~ with nails and all!

It'll take a while but once the Hindus have to face the truth that a lot of the Mahabarat is actually HISTORY and tales about real people, it may change much of their religious outlook.

I've watched two movie/tv shows (covering many days of viewing) about the materials in the Mahabarat. Some of it is history and some of it is older stuff filtered in just to keep it and some of it is a body of literature handed down from truly ancient times by a society that memorizes the spoken words in Sanskrit and passes them on.

Then there's the Book of Proverbs ~~~~~

Hinduism claims the Messiah (manifest as the Great Fish) saved Noah (Ma-Nu) at Mt. Ararat, later came as Shiva, and later came as Krishna.

All of their stories were considered FICTION until the finding of Hastinapur. Now, they don't know.

32 posted on 08/07/2011 6:19:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eleutheria5

There’d be no problem reading Gilgamesh for the purpose of understanding some of the sources of Sumerian religion. Remember, Abram came along several thousand years later in the same place and founded your own religious tradition.


33 posted on 08/07/2011 6:23:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eleutheria5

Why aren’t these so-called Christians made aware that in showing solidarity with Muslims, they are becoming one with people who are murdering their fellow Christians around the planet everywhere they have a simple majority?

Political Correctness is so insidious.


34 posted on 08/07/2011 6:23:32 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (http://www.durban3nyc.com/. Go there and learn what those who seek to destroy Israel are up to)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Giving to your church is like giving to the RNC.


35 posted on 08/07/2011 6:30:28 PM PDT by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: satan

You don’t know my Church. It’s filled with politically incorrect individuals who would give the McCain clan a screaming case of the vapors.

By the way, re- your FReeper Handle: Are you away he loses, per Revelation?


36 posted on 08/07/2011 6:38:53 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: muawiyah

Remember, Abram came along several thousand years later in the same place and founded your own religious tradition.

xxxx

Off hand, I think Noah was still living when Abram was born.


37 posted on 08/07/2011 6:39:12 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (http://www.durban3nyc.com/. Go there and learn what those who seek to destroy Israel are up to)
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To: Dogbert41
Off hand, I think Noah was still living when Abram was born.

If there was no generational telescoping in the genealogies; but there was.
38 posted on 08/07/2011 6:44:52 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

>> The palestinians were claiming recently that Isa (Jesus) was really a Palestinian freedom fighter.

Maybe it’s time that we quit using the Greek name, and turn to our Hebrew roots. Interesting discussion here:

http://www.seekgod.ca/htwhatsinaname.htm


39 posted on 08/07/2011 6:45:05 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Duh! Churches have been reading from the Old Testament since ... well, since there have been churches.


40 posted on 08/07/2011 6:46:56 PM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: Cheetahcat

What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?


Our Lady of the Surrender Monkey?


41 posted on 08/07/2011 6:47:48 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Eleutheria5
According to the Faith Shared project, which initiated the Koran reading, 66 churches from 32 states joined that effort.

They should have just stuck to the Torah and the New Testament. After all, it was those two sources principally that Mohammed drew on in designing his religion. If everything in the Koran having anything to do with Christianity and Judaism were removed, there would be very little left.
42 posted on 08/07/2011 6:48:36 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Cheetahcat
"What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?"

Probably a "church" that already does not read from the Bible.

43 posted on 08/07/2011 6:48:36 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I am proud to say that our church will not be reading the Koran, either. We’ve already got a Holy Book—the Real One—and THAT’S the one front and center at all times.


44 posted on 08/07/2011 6:57:42 PM PDT by AmericanMermaid
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To: rbg81

“What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?
Our Lady of the Surrender Monkey?”

Yes that Church seems to be growing.


45 posted on 08/07/2011 7:03:25 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

“What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?”

Probably a “church” that already does not read from the Bible.”

Excellent Point,


46 posted on 08/07/2011 7:04:46 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Dogbert41

There were a bunch of generations in between ~


47 posted on 08/07/2011 7:07:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: QBFimi
Maybe it’s time that we quit using the Greek name, and turn to our Hebrew roots.

I totally agree with you there. We use the name "Yeshuah" at our house. The greek transliterated version of the name has no meaning, while the original Hebrew means 'God is our salvation'. It's nice to use the name He was actually called.

48 posted on 08/07/2011 7:13:55 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Eleutheria5

I heard a speaker read from the Koran in a church setting this week. It said “God is not a father and he has no son.”

Then he told us “Don’t let anyone tell you there is any common ground between Christianity and Islam. Their god is not our God.”


49 posted on 08/07/2011 7:17:05 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Cheetahcat
What Church would be Dumb enough to read the Qur’an?

See my post 49.

50 posted on 08/07/2011 7:24:35 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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