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Women in Science Work for Less Money
ScienceInsider ^ | 4 August 2011 | Jeffrey Mervis

Posted on 08/07/2011 6:46:59 PM PDT by neverdem

Study hard, receive a science or engineering degree, and your reward will be a well-paying job in your chosen field. That's part of the sales pitch for those trying to attract more women into science. But according to a new U.S. government study, the "reward" includes earning 12% less than your male counterparts.

The 11-page report(PDF), "Women in STEM: A Gender Gap to Innovation," is the first analysis of women working in technical fields (STEM stands for science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) by the Commerce Department's Economics and Statistics Administration (ESA). The study is based on data from the 2009 American Community Survey, an ongoing questionnaire by the U.S. Census Bureau that supplements the decennial census.

The report's overall conclusion that women are underrepresented in the U.S. STEM workforce -- holding 24% of all STEM jobs while comprising 48% of all workers -- won't be a surprise to anyone who follows the issue. But they may find the lack of progress depressing: "Over the past decade, this underrepresentation has remained fairly constant, even as women's share of the college educated workforce has increased," explains a departmental press release on the report, released yesterday.

Acting Commerce Secretary Rebecca Blank, a Ph.D. economist who oversees both ESA and the Census Bureau, tried to put the best spin on the salary disparity between men and women in STEM fields. "There is a gender earnings gap across the economy," she told reporters. "But it's actually smaller in STEM areas than in non-STEM areas." Still, she acknowledged that the salary gap raises larger questions. "In fact, one might think that the smaller [salary] gap might actually draw women into STEM jobs. So it adds to the puzzle of what is it that we are doing inside our schools and our families that makes STEM jobs seemingly less attractive to girls."

Blank said the survey didn't analyze the gender salary gap by work setting, such as industry versus academia. "But we did look at the gap by occupations," she notes. "And what's interesting is that engineering, which has the lowest percentage of women, actually has the smallest gender gap. It's only 7 cents."

She said the gender earnings gap "is one of the big research questions in economics. Why does it exist, even after you control for presumably what are all of the productivity attributes?" Even so, she's willing to hazard a guess. One answer, she says, is that "women don't seem to get the same number of promotions and wage increases as men do."


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Ask Larry Summers what he thinks about it?

Why the Gender Gap Won’t Go Away. Ever. Women prefer the mommy track.

I didn't read that PDF. We're broke, and we have to pay for politically correct nonsense!!!

1 posted on 08/07/2011 6:47:06 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

It won’t matter anyway...

“Dollar to Be ‘Discarded’ by World: China Rating Agency”


2 posted on 08/07/2011 6:50:00 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: neverdem

Show me the internal data. Show me the maternity leaves. Show me the mommy-tracking. If it isn’t there I will respect the results. If it is there I don’t listen to a damned thing this researcher says.


3 posted on 08/07/2011 6:51:08 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: neverdem
So?

Kidding! Just kidding!

4 posted on 08/07/2011 6:51:11 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: neverdem

In the present economy they should be thankful they have a job! Period!


5 posted on 08/07/2011 6:52:34 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: neverdem

Maybe they are not as good at it?


6 posted on 08/07/2011 6:53:26 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: neverdem

Here is my anecdotal story, my friends are both PHDs at Goethe University, the husband is German and a top research scientist, aggressive and obsessed in his work and field, his wife is Swiss, she now works in an important role in the Dean’s office, and tells me that she never wanted to be a PHD, she only wanted to raise a family and live a normal life.


7 posted on 08/07/2011 6:56:08 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: neverdem
I don't know how things work these days, but years ago we set salaries based on education, related job experiences, longevity, plus good interviews. My experience is that usually women come up short on one or more of these elements. But once on the payroll and working, women often excel on the job, sometimes outshining their male counterparts.
8 posted on 08/07/2011 6:58:45 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ansel12
she only wanted to raise a family and live a normal life

BINGO!!! Mommy Tracking! In addition, women usually take more "secure," less dangerous jobs in general thus the lower pay. I love how all the feminazis leave this "inconvenient truth" out of their incessant "wage gap" studies.

9 posted on 08/07/2011 6:58:52 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: neverdem

Just another garbage government study claiming that some demographic doesn’t get enough special treatment while that same government showers them with incentives, free advanced degree programs, and career advancement opportunities.

What’s even worse is that when you hire somebody based on what demographic they belong to, it means that you’re NOT hiring them on engineering ability. These losers wind up being promoted quickly to administration because they can’t cut it as engineers. When these women rise in the ranks, the first thing they do is set out to hire more women because they’re taught their whole lives that they’re getting a bum rap and men are always holding them down. It’s a self-perpetuating problem.


10 posted on 08/07/2011 7:02:37 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: neverdem
Women in Science Work for Less Money

How cool!

You think if Palin or Bachmann win the presidency we can cut their pay?

Balance the budget and all, y'know. :>)

11 posted on 08/07/2011 7:06:04 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: neverdem

Frankly, my dear, I no longer give a smelly Obama.


12 posted on 08/07/2011 7:08:36 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: neverdem

b.s.

when i had jobs that either i didn’t like, or fit into, or was taken advantage of,

i found a better job.


13 posted on 08/07/2011 7:09:52 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: neverdem
i think in salary negotiations, a lot of women are more prone to take the first offer

it's the HR persons job to low ball offers to get the best deal the company can get, it's not their fault if women agree to less money than a man would be offered for the same job

that's why it's called salary NEGOTIATIONS...

14 posted on 08/07/2011 7:11:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: neverdem

Those are feminists from a government putsch of the ‘90s. Real women who want to be engineers will do just fine.


15 posted on 08/07/2011 7:16:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: neverdem

Yes, we do.


16 posted on 08/07/2011 7:18:59 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: ken21

Sometimes there is only the one job available. It is tough. I’d rather be working but the job I have is not a good one.


17 posted on 08/07/2011 7:20:24 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: neverdem

They shouldn’t complain... scientists at the University of Tennessee are all Volunteers.


18 posted on 08/07/2011 7:31:02 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: neverdem
They can't ask these things anymore, but in the early 1970s I had a guy ask me why I was looking for a job when I was married, and THAT was my job.

Or the job I interviewed for that said they hired someone with "more experience"~~they hired a guy with 6 weeks industrial experience while I had 3+ years, working with the equipment they used.

I never took maternity leave, either.

Once upon a time things were unfair. I don't dwell upon it, but it did happen.
19 posted on 08/07/2011 7:31:52 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: neverdem
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20 posted on 08/07/2011 7:32:21 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: ken21

“When I had jobs that either I didn’t like... was taken advantage of...”

Occurred to me when I worked during college. I was working security at a hospital and the pay scale changed for new security employees coming in. I asked upper management since I was training the new security officers but being paid a dollar an hour less. I was the only female at the time and management essentially said that it couldn’t be changed. I applied to another hospital, got a job offer two weeks later, wrote a “nice” but short letter of resignation and left. I was then getting paid two dollars more an hour and felt great. I left with dignity and my chin up since management was scrambling figuring out how to train the new employees. So... I agree. Use the experience at job one to find a better job at job 2. Just a thought.


21 posted on 08/07/2011 7:36:37 PM PDT by momtothree
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22 posted on 08/07/2011 7:40:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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23 posted on 08/07/2011 7:40:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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24 posted on 08/07/2011 7:41:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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25 posted on 08/07/2011 7:41:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem

Whenever you see the “under represented” phrase in any writings you know that it is agenda driven.


26 posted on 08/07/2011 7:42:29 PM PDT by pf flyers
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To: neverdem

All of them but this lady.

27 posted on 08/07/2011 7:43:59 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: neverdem

Stats have proven that women — on average — work far fewer hours per year than their male counterparts.

These studies that compare female wages/salaries to male’s also make no distinction between women just out of college and men who have been in the field for 20 years.

When you take these two factors into account, there is really no difference in what men earn and what women earn. The last report I read pegged the difference at about 97% (women were earning 97 cents to the man’s dollar). But those men who earned that extra .03 cents per hour are the ones who put in the long hours, do not take maternity leave, don’t use all their vacation and sick time.


28 posted on 08/07/2011 7:45:47 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: neverdem
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29 posted on 08/07/2011 7:47:13 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: neverdem

B.S. Pure B.S.

This has been researched so many times and proven to be a lot of crap.

When relevant experience and education are factored in, there is no statistical difference in salaries.

And in some fields, like engineering, women actually make MORE because the companies have quotas to fill so they are more in demand.


30 posted on 08/07/2011 7:51:14 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: neverdem

Who gives a DNA Rat’s Rump? They don’t like it, let them find a new profession. I am tired of paying for emotional BS.


31 posted on 08/07/2011 7:56:20 PM PDT by mort56
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To: webstersII; xzins; All

this is absolutely correct:

“B.S. Pure B.S.

This has been researched so many times and proven to be a lot of crap.

When relevant experience and education are factored in, there is no statistical difference in salaries.

And in some fields, like engineering, women actually make MORE because the companies have quotas to fill so they are more in demand.”
///
further, just as people ignore the reality of “The Bell Curve”, there IS also such an effect for women.

first, there are MORE very low IQ men than women. fact.
but, there are also more very HIGHT IQ men than women.

men have a flatter, wider IQ distribution than women.
so, in their “bell curve”, there are more on each end.

also, women ARE better at certain tasks, memory test, imagery, multi-tasking.
but, men are also better at certain tasks that require tighter focus. which helps in many sciences.

a perfect example, is Chess. even in countries with equal rights for women, like Russia and Europe, there are almost ZERO Chess Grandmasters.

WHY?

Chess has no luck element. Doesn’t require fancy equipment.
You win or you don’t.

Why the HUGE HUGE HUGE disparity in success by gender???

There ARE more men with sub-80 I.Q.’s than women.
There ARE fewer women with 150+ I.Q.s than men.

(and some of those women, DO prefer to have a family.
which further increases the disparity in total numbers!)

and there are real differences between the brains of men and women. (like women have a BIGGER corpus callosium than men. which helps explain their better multi-tasking and intuition.)
but other mental tasks (like Chess) are better suited to men.


32 posted on 08/07/2011 8:08:31 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh mama. Pings gone wild.


33 posted on 08/07/2011 8:19:57 PM PDT by bigheadfred ("I consulted all the sages I could find in yellow pages but there aren't many of them")
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To: webstersII

If any employer could hire women and have them do the same job as well as a man for a lot less money, they would do so and kill the competition. The whole thing is bogus.


34 posted on 08/07/2011 8:42:02 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: neverdem

If men werent idiots we would simply let the feminists die out by picking one thats not a feminist.


35 posted on 08/07/2011 9:56:42 PM PDT by AngryMan0
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Is there no end to this crap in the MSM?


36 posted on 08/07/2011 10:14:56 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

Nope. No end at all. Death, taxes, and idiotic claptrap from the media. You can count on all three.


37 posted on 08/07/2011 10:38:48 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan
I was a shift manager for a very large Utility. They brought in a female group leader.

She was moved out of the Nuke end because she screwed up during an overhaul. She moved into a Systems job and took maturinty leave during a major overhaul. She then was promoted and proceeded to piss off ever one, union and management in operations.

She left the company and proceeded to f-ck up in a Southern Utility. Last I heard of her she was trying get employment at the company I retired from.

38 posted on 08/08/2011 11:20:10 AM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: bigheadfred

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39 posted on 08/17/2011 4:07:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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