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These riots were about race. Why ignore the fact?
The Telegraph ^ | 8/7/2011

Posted on 08/08/2011 3:51:08 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

What colour is Mark Duggan? Mark Duggan is the man who was shot dead by the police on Thursday in Tottenham. The Tottenham riots last night were sparked when people protested his death. This morning, I first heard of the riots on the radio, then on the television. I read articles on the internet. But oddly, no one would say what colour Mark Duggan was. No one would say the unsayable, that the rioters were, I suspect on the whole, black. Then, finally, Toby Young’s Telegraph blog post on the riots was published. Is Toby Young the only journalist out there who will dare say that these riots are about race?

Still, one paper did carry a photo of Mr Duggan. When I saw the photo, it confirmed what I knew instinctively: black youths once again have set London alight.

Some of the black kids I used to teach will tell you that the riots are absolutely justified. A number of adults would agree with them. Everywhere I read that the protest was understandable because “people are very angry”.

I’d like to know what they’re angry about. Mark Duggan is dead. He was shot by the police in a shootout. Duggan was in a minicab and shots were fired from both the cab and the police elsewhere. A police officer was hurt in the incident and a bullet was found lodged in a police radio. Either Duggan was shooting at the police or the driver of the minicab was. Either Duggan was in the wrong place at the wrong time and his death is a terrible tragedy – he was caught in the crossfire – or he shot at the police and the police defended themselves. Whatever the explanation, the police did not kill this man in cold blood.

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1 posted on 08/08/2011 3:51:12 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

America is off the hook. My first thought.


2 posted on 08/08/2011 3:53:29 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error")
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To: Altura Ct.
Some of the black kids I used to teach will tell you that the riots are absolutely justified. A number of adults would agree with them.

Just do it in private and don't disturb the peace.

3 posted on 08/08/2011 3:57:14 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

Coming to a city near you (Yes, here in the U.S.)

It will probably start somewhere near Milwaukee


4 posted on 08/08/2011 4:00:20 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Altura Ct.

If you examine the issues fairly and rationally, I think you can only reach one conclusion: it’s the Tea Party’s fault.

What’s the weather forecast for London. One thing I learned in the 70’s was that the only thing that ends rioting is a night of rainfall.


5 posted on 08/08/2011 4:02:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: EGPWS

****Some of the black kids I used to teach will tell you that the riots are absolutely justified****

What kind of teaching was that????


6 posted on 08/08/2011 4:02:49 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: Progov
It will probably start somewhere near Milwaukee

Not again!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1574486/posts

7 posted on 08/08/2011 4:04:04 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Altura Ct.
So you could take away from this article that Britain needs to import more whites from Eastern Europe to provide diversity in shooters...
8 posted on 08/08/2011 4:04:44 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Altura Ct.
"Invisible Man (by Ralph Ellison) is the story of a young, college-educated black man struggling to survive and succeed in a racially divided society that refuses to see him as a human being". from Cliff Notes.

Does political correctness to sanitize minorities' flaws actually deprive them of their humanity, and their ability to 'grow'?

9 posted on 08/08/2011 4:04:44 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“Two sociologists walking down the street happen upon an elderly woman who has been robbed, beaten, and left lying in the gutter. One sociologist says to the other: “the people who did this need our help”


10 posted on 08/08/2011 4:05:45 AM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: Altura Ct.
It's all the fault of the Royal Cracker Family for not darkening their skin. Why just look how race relations improved in America when we elected a black community organizer! (Said with extreme sarcasm.)
11 posted on 08/08/2011 4:09:38 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: LRS

Yeah


12 posted on 08/08/2011 4:13:06 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (ma)
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13 posted on 08/08/2011 4:20:22 AM PDT by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . Fat & Furious - Burger & Fries Queen*s 1700+ calorie lunches . . . . .)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
If you examine the issues fairly and rationally, I think you can only reach one conclusion: it’s the Tea Party’s fault.

No, it's Palin's cross hair graphic on her website.

14 posted on 08/08/2011 4:20:30 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: tsowellfan

Blacks rioting in London? But...I’ve been told by the British papers that racism and social unrest is an American problem. Have I been lied to?

Can’t wait to get over to the comment sections of those papers and express a little schadenfreude.

On the other hand, I love London and hope that things improve there. It’s a wonderful city.


15 posted on 08/08/2011 4:31:21 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: miss marmelstein
Can't wait to get over to the comment sections of those papers and express a little schadenfreude.

I went to the article linked here and read some of the comments. This one by a poster called jwhite3 is especially good:

The riots and looting have once again proven that multi-racial societies are inherently unstable, and shown that the state has a policy of appeasement toward third world colonies.

Liberal minds refuse to accept that cultures are made by people, and not the other way round. They delude themselves in thinking large numbers of Third Worlders living in Britain will “become” British and will leave the Third World behind. Culture is not a coat which is discarded and changed for a new one at the airport immigration desk. So it is that large numbers of Third World immigrants have entered Britain, and as Tottenham illustrates, have created Third World ghettoes. There, unable to compete on any standard objective social measures (such as education, employment or economic activity), large groups of disaffected, unemployed, unemployable ethnic gangs have arisen. Their only activity, and source of income, is crime. The truth is, that whatever the Metropolitan Police do to police the gun, knife, and drug crime of London's West Indian community, it will breed resentment.

Tottenham has once again drunk deep of this witches’ brew: other parts of Britain will soon also taste this bitter drink. The lesson of the latest riots is clear to all those except the willingly blind: mass Third World immigration is steadily destroying Britain and the Third World. It has to be stopped, and, ultimately, reversed, if our people and our civilisation are to survive.


16 posted on 08/08/2011 4:37:43 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Altura Ct.

How’s that unrestrained immigration going? Interesting that there are so many parallels to the same black experience in America. Both countries have tried everything to advance the cause of the minorities, including mandating hiring them for positions they do no qualify for, and the end result of decades of meddling is worse than the result from no meddling at all.

Oh, and don’t forget - it’s whitey’s fault.


17 posted on 08/08/2011 4:41:15 AM PDT by jimnm
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To: devolve; All

To anyone who might think the first photo is photo-
shopped, (Muslim Project Hope) it is not.
I have seen this photo many times before it was scrubbed from the net.
Obama WAS a member.


18 posted on 08/08/2011 4:46:49 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Actually, I saw some photographs and there appeared to be a lot of white “yutes” participating, too, not in the initial riot but in the later looting of shops in a nearby area.

Somebody said they looked like “yobs” (soccer hooligans, I think that means!), but to me they looked like the “anti-globalization” anarchist crowd. They focused on raiding chain stores, and that is very typical of this group.

The same thing happened in the US not long ago. I believe it was Oakland, but I wouldn’t swear to it. The riots started with blacks but then the anarchist crowd came out and you saw photos of long-haired white kids wearing bandannas around the lower parts of their faces, emerging from stores or store windows with armloads of goods.


19 posted on 08/08/2011 4:48:13 AM PDT by livius
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To: patriot08

Obama IS a member.


20 posted on 08/08/2011 4:54:28 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: arasina

Thanks for the extensive quote! Obviously, not from the Guardian which will be filled with sympathy for the rioters.

Part of the problem in Great Britain - I think - is the general amnesia they have towards their former Empire. They continually claim American is an Empire but behave as if they have never had vast control over a large part of the third world.

To show how weird they can be, I was talking with a pal of mine who lives in South London about the joys of Indian food and how wonderful London restaurants are that serve it. He said sarcastically: “Well, that’s ‘cause all of ‘em live here.” And I said: “Actually, I think its the legacy of the British Raj.” I gently pressed him on the British influence in India and he refused to discuss it. It simply hadn’t occurred, as far as he was concerned! Weird!


21 posted on 08/08/2011 4:54:54 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Altura Ct.

If you look at enough photos of the rioters, there is the token white scum rioting/looting too.


22 posted on 08/08/2011 4:55:54 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: miss marmelstein
There are a lot of long suffering Brits that detest what the UK has become with all this PC nonsense. Should the ruling class not get a handle on this mess their PC Bravo Sierra has created, then the crack down may resemble Northern Ireland during the “Time of Troubles”.

Maybe sending the Gurkhas up to the scene might just take care of business with the “yute” thugs. Have the Gurkhas kick some booty and take names and they will get the scum's attention. Perhaps those Khukuri combat knives need to be watered with thug blood?

It also might be useful to tell the local Religion of Peace followers that the Gurkhas can visit them also. You don't want the Gurkhas to come and visit you.

23 posted on 08/08/2011 4:57:17 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: livius

This will soon be a thing of the past in America.

America is following the example set by Obama’s mother. We are breeding a new race. A race of Obama’s.Look around you,their numbers are growing every day.


24 posted on 08/08/2011 4:59:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: arasina
Thanks for posting that comment. This part in particular is right on the money.

The riots and looting have once again proven that multi-racial societies are inherently unstable, and shown that the state has a policy of appeasement toward third world colonies.

Liberal minds refuse to accept that cultures are made by people, and not the other way round. They delude themselves in thinking large numbers of Third Worlders living in Britain will “become” British and will leave the Third World behind. Culture is not a coat which is discarded and changed for a new one at the airport immigration desk...

25 posted on 08/08/2011 5:01:33 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: tsowellfan

Nope. The Black Liberation Theology President will keep the fire stoked.


26 posted on 08/08/2011 5:05:17 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: MasterGunner01

Again, several of my British friends were furious about the Gurkhas receiving citizenship. They had dark skin, lol!

I will also tell you that these same British friends profess to be shocked at all the “racist” hostility directed at Prez Obama by evil American right wingers.

I realize this makes no sense but I’m just relating some of the strange thinking of some Brits I know. Some of these wacky views are also expressed in the comment sections of the Telegraph, The Daily Mail and the Guardian.


27 posted on 08/08/2011 5:06:14 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Progov

There is an element in Milwaukee that is very ready to riot. We have a large number of uneducated, unemployed youth in the African American community. It will take just one little incident to set them off.


28 posted on 08/08/2011 5:09:31 AM PDT by freemama
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To: jimnm

The hilarious thing is that liberals sincerely believe that excluding minorities from the general moral system of society will somehow help them.

“Oh, you can riot and burn down your own neighborhoods, that´s fine, we´ll look the other way and blame the police or budget cuts”.

“Oh, you can run criminal gangs, sell drugs in your community and generally make life miserable for everyone around you. We´ll look the other way and blame “socioeconomic factors” and “racism” for your behavior.”

“Oh, feel free to engage in vile racial hatred and abuse, that´s fine, we understand that you only do that because of the prejudice of the majority”.

What do they think would happen if you suddenly made white people exempt from any standard of common decency?

Morality is how we make society function - if you exempt people from morality, you will over time turn them into enemies of society.

It´s all so depressingly predictable.


29 posted on 08/08/2011 5:17:47 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: Venturer

Something ELSE the average American voter does not know!


30 posted on 08/08/2011 5:18:00 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
What’s the weather forecast for London. One thing I learned in the 70’s was that the only thing that ends rioting is a night of rainfall.

Well, that explains why London isn't known as a hotbed of black race riots.

31 posted on 08/08/2011 5:18:12 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Bobalu

“the people who did this need our help”

That’s a good one!


32 posted on 08/08/2011 5:25:00 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Bobalu

That is funny, sad and poignant all at the same time. Thanks for sharing!


33 posted on 08/08/2011 5:28:53 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Calusa
Does political correctness to sanitize minorities' flaws actually deprive them of their humanity, and their ability to 'grow'?

I agree, I think absolutely it does.

34 posted on 08/08/2011 5:31:37 AM PDT by Vanders9
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35 posted on 08/08/2011 5:37:29 AM PDT by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . Fat & Furious - Burger & Fries Queen*s 1700+ calorie lunches . . . . .)
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To: Altura Ct.
Here is a picture of the person that was shot. Mark Duggan. Looks like a hood rat to me

36 posted on 08/08/2011 5:42:56 AM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (purple durple lips)
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To: Altura Ct.

Not riots. Looting opportunities.


37 posted on 08/08/2011 5:58:25 AM PDT by crosshairs (If Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, heads are gonna roll.)
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To: globelamp

Sounds like I need to add “barbed wire” to my list of precious metals - gold, silver, copper jacketed lead, and barbed wire...


38 posted on 08/08/2011 6:00:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
One thing I learned in the 70’s was that the only thing that ends rioting is a night of rainfall.
Campus rioting in the 60s increased for years, spread from coast to coast and caused millions of dollars of damage.
The only thing that stopped it was the National Guard at Kent State.
39 posted on 08/08/2011 6:04:57 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: freemama

And the difference between the UK and the US is that here, there is a Goetz and/or Korean shopkeeper moment coming, that their UK counterparts don’t have to worry about.


40 posted on 08/08/2011 6:07:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: freemama

Also in every major and minor city in the US. They just need an uniting catalyst. E.G. entitlements end, BO is not reelected, etc.


41 posted on 08/08/2011 6:14:41 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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42 posted on 08/08/2011 6:26:45 AM PDT by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . Fat & Furious - Burger & Fries Queen*s 1700+ calorie lunches . . . . .)
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To: Venturer

It’s called the culture war. We are losing. One color under God! /s


43 posted on 08/08/2011 6:35:25 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Most of the car burnings are just insurance fraud. Want a new car paid for by your insurance company? Put on a mask and burn your current car. Business not doing so good? No worries just put on a mask and burn down your building. The insurance company will pay the bill!


44 posted on 08/08/2011 6:48:22 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
What’s the weather forecast for London. One thing I learned in the 70’s was that the only thing that ends rioting is a night of rainfall.

"Well, that explains why London isn't known as a hotbed of black race riots."

The average annual rainfall in London is 29 inches. I suspect it would surprise many Americans, with deep-rooted convictions about British weather, to know that this is less than the rainfall in New York City, Washington D.C., Chicago or Dallas.

45 posted on 08/08/2011 7:13:47 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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46 posted on 08/08/2011 7:16:40 AM PDT by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . Fat & Furious - Burger & Fries Queen*s 1700+ calorie lunches . . . . .)
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To: miss marmelstein

No, the majority of British people are well aware of their imperial/colonial past. It has been used as a weapon of national self-loathing for 40 years.

What some British want is the US to admit that it has at times in its history behaved like a colonial power, instead of the denial Americans make when America and empire are mentioned.


47 posted on 08/08/2011 8:02:59 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: miss marmelstein

The Gurkhas are beloved by the vast, vast majority of the British public, across the political and racial spectrum.

Any attack on them, such as the appalling treatment of Gurkha veterans by the last govt, gets national anger and opprobrium. The Gurkhas are seen as national treasures. Rightly so.

And the vast majority of Britain supports citizenship for Ghurkas and always has done. They are probably the one non-white group whose immigration dosent even register (because of their status and their low numbers).

The only people who oppose them are racists like the BNP. Frankly you must know some very odd and racist British people.

You assertion that the British people oppose Gurkha citizenship is an utter lie, one in fact that is causing me to barely keep this reply polite and civil.

I have read your writings on FR about Britain and frankly I find some of them dont add up. Either you cherry pick or you dont ‘get’ Britain as well as perhaps you think you do.


48 posted on 08/08/2011 8:10:20 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

You had better start reading my posts a little bit more closely before you start calling me a liar, buster. If you read what I wrote correctly you would see that I was quoting one or two friends who were not happy about Gurkha citizenship. I never said anything about the entire British public. So please keep polite and civil. I would hate to have you fall into a snit like Terry-Thomas in “It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.”

My friends are all theatre professionals; some of them you may know by name. None of whom belong to the BNP or the EDL. I suppose they have just seen too many changes in their lifetime and they are hurt and bewildered and include Gurkhas in their general anger.

And, again, if you don’t think America engages in self-criticism over our recent and present past, you are living on another planet. But we do not and never have had an Empire. Great Britain did.

And if you’d like to read an orgy of self-pity towards England while expressing a blistering hatred towards America, I recommend Caryll Churchill’s short play “Drunk Enough to say I Love You.” I was forced to sit through this nasty bit of xenophobia several years ago at The Royal Court.


49 posted on 08/08/2011 11:04:05 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Venturer

Those mulattos will destroy the entire nation! Damn them! They’re eevul!


50 posted on 08/08/2011 12:46:15 PM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (Counting down the days until Obama resigns.)
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